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A Neurotic Corncob posted:has MoMA figured out his talking points yet I suspect he has been re-tasked to the sanitization effort. 
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I've got this feeling that before the curtain falls Derek's going to get Smarted by his own hand trying to insert himself into these court proceedings in some profoundly ill advised way. Alas the archive shall be for naught.
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peter gabriel posted:I think if we've learned anything at all from all this it is that the Derek 'archive' was absolutely 100% redundant and a decent legal team requires absolutely gently caress all that those turds were in there were trying to provide Not even redundant -- entirely irrelevant. CIG is going down hard, just on this one front, and to the chagrin of r/ds, Derek wasn't behind the scenes manipulating Chris to screw CryTek over. In fact r/ds should be happy. If it weren't for Derek's supposed slanderous activity, CIG may have brought in even more pledges -- money that will end up lining the pockets of evil CryTek and their hack legal team. Abuminable fucked around with this message at 21:04 on Dec 16, 2017 |
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Dec 16, 2017 21:01
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Enchanted Hat posted:There lived a certain man in England long ago 
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Lechtansi posted:My favorite thing thats happened in the last few days is that when the Shitizens quote CIGs response to crytek, they've edited out the infringing part.  Never change Star Citizen backers. CIG self owns, the thread eats for a day. Teach a citizen to self own, the thread eats forever.
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SomethingJones posted:Amazon already know it isn't using their stuff because they spent 6 weeks in there trying to help them migrate it. It's multiple layers of disingenuous fidelity: 1. Not allowed to switch engines 2. Tried to switch engines anyway 3. Failed to switch engines 4. Made public statements that they successfully switched engines 5. Repeatedly discussed their breach of contract in public forum 6. Their entire defense against a public breach of contract proves they breached their contract I mean, that's literally all the possible ways you can gently caress this situation up. CIG really is doing something nobody has done before. They've skunked themselves. 0 for the 'verse.
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SomethingJones posted:As an official internet notary I hereby notarise this affidavit and volunteer to speak it into the record at space court As an official internet witness doth hereby sign and date on the dotted line that the aforesaid Beet Wagon has given Derek Smart explicit permission to use any and all images, videos, and text he has posted to any and all Star Citizen threads on noted dead gay comedy forums website www dot somethingawful dot com, including his entire porn collection and hot sauce/alcohol recipes.
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Toops posted:It's multiple layers of disingenuous fidelity: Excellent synopsis. They are the dumbest lot of crooks I've ever seen. Each decision doubles down on the unbridled stupidity of the prior decision.
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Dec 16, 2017 21:12
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Virtual Captain posted:gently caress you, "the game is practically finished y'know at this point" Just so you know, he's not actually talking about Star Citizen there. Context.
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Dec 16, 2017 21:13
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Does anyone know whether a litigation hold has been issued for pending e-discovery? When is one typically issued? Email server crashes tend to happen around this point of the process.
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kw0134 posted:I think this case is truly sui generis. Leaving aside questions of copyright, on the contractual claims I don't think I've ever seen such blatant acts that gird the plaintiff's complaints so publicly. It takes major incompetence to cop to a material claim on the complaint in your first response to the media about the suit. Yeah it's unusual for CIG's actions alright. But I think there's a bit more to the tactic of Skadden, I think they're well aware how difficult wringing money will be out of CIG/RSI and this lawsuit is just the first salvo. It's difficult to get people on the hook for personal liability but I suspect that's where they're headed because getting to the bottom of all the shell companies is the very least they'll need to have in discovery. They have actual statements by company directors to use: I don't think that was merely an illustration of the breach of contract.
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Relay Station | ANNIVERSARY MADNESS 1 year OMG! 
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Abuminable posted:Excellent synopsis. They are the dumbest lot of crooks I've ever seen. Each decision doubles down on the unbridled stupidity of the prior decision. It's pretty amazing to watch. CIG has been failing so hard for so long, I always felt like there was a well of potential fail energy building up. Well, now that poo poo's going kinetic, and I'm glad of it.
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Toops posted:It's multiple layers of disingenuous fidelity: You forgot "released multiple videos showing that they had not switched engines, making public proprietary source code and violating their license further"
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Beet Wagon posted:I was trying to make us sound less insane than we already do This is because you guys ran off Marching Powder.
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Peroxide Cowboy posted:Well if the game isn't out by 2020 I feel I'll have made a serious mistake investing in jpegs over buttcoins. Meanwhile Seraph is now a CERTIFIED BITCOIN MILLIONAIRE and having the last laugh at all of us. Note the the Intern that reads this thread: If Chris Roberts needs quick cash infusions, Seraph may just be your new Mr. Moneybanks, though I’m not sure he’s enthused for the dream so much as he once was, so expect some potentially draconian lending terms...
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https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7k8ss8/star_citizen_thread_on_the_front_page_of_rgaming/quote:SirDeadHerring 18 points an hour ago quote:Artemis317 [S] [score hidden] 53 minutes ago  : I really don't understand....Everyone: WE KNOW
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peter gabriel posted:This also happens when CIG makes a guy sit at a canteen table on a totally otherwise blank background Look this is way more complicated than just opening a door, ok? I have to account for the changing cross sectional area of the doorway as it opens which requires a double integral to calculate the rate of change in the flow rate of Argon venting out into the atmosphere. I am doing door things that nobody has even ATTEMPTED before!! Of course there are gonna be a few bugs, have you ever heard of ALPHA????
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SelenicMartian posted:Fuzzy on the witness stand? I don't understand what's happening in that screenshot, can someone explain?
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Gamesguy posted:I don't understand what's happening in that screenshot, can someone explain? Hologram guy is casting a shadow even when he isn't there
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Gamesguy posted:I don't understand what's happening in that screenshot, can someone explain? If I'm not mistaken, it seems that rather than actually programming a hologram, they just put in an invisible NPC, then turn the top half of his body blue to simulate a hologram. But they hosed up, and the invisible NPC casts a full-length shadow. This after bragging for ages about their revolutionary REAL HOLOGRAM tech which is clearly no different from holograms in other video games (except more buggy)
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Gamesguy posted:I don't understand what's happening in that screenshot, can someone explain? Not entirely sure, but it looks like the hologram is just an invisible NPC, and his shadow is for some reason enabled all the time. Somehow this probably invalidates CIG's claims about making really cool never before seen hologram tech.
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Golli posted:Does anyone know whether a litigation hold has been issued for pending e-discovery? We got like three months minimum of laughing at this fiasco before anything like that happens.
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Slow_Moe posted:Not entirely sure, but it looks like the hologram is just an invisible NPC, and his shadow is for some reason enabled all the time.
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Lladre posted:We got like three months minimum of laughing at this fiasco before anything like that happens. My secret hope is that CIG is close to insolvency. Coutts calls in the loan, CIG is forced to settle because they can't pay lawyers to fight it, and boom goes the dream dynamite almost overnight. Servers shut down and Chris releases a final "sorry, thanks for all the fish" video. This is the ending everyone deserves.
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In his hour of triumph, I'd like to devote an effortpost to Derek Smart himself. A dangerous past-time, perhaps, but an important question to ask. I'm here for the laughs like most of the thread but I also want to see CIG pulled apart and picked over. I want to read Coutts' debtor reports, see the forensic accountants go over the books, get as many backers out as are willing to be saved. Taking CIG apart properly means doing ballistic analysis of the huge great burning trail blasted through it by one man. So who IS that masked warlord? More to the point, why did one guy with a twitter account end up a furious lightning-rod for the hatred of hundreds of backers, single-handedly attracting the ire of a massive community that should (and once did) have had more than enough to amuse itself with throughout Star Citizen's development. It's been pointed out, more than once, that there wouldn't be a cult without Derek. That the existence of an active hate figure to strive against was what was needed to push a mildly toxic fandom into a full-blown horror where people compete to throw all their worldly goods as fast as possible into the gaping maw of CIG. I don't actually agree with this sentiment. For one thing the fandom was toxic from the start, but I think even without Derek we'd still see a cult of some form. The cult is a side-effect of CIG's marketing techniques. They needed to milk their whales, to find people who will spend large sums of money and keep spending those sums without complaint as the game gets delayed again and again. That's not to say Derek hasn't left a massive mark on Star Citizen, of course. But he stepped into a role that was ready and waiting. If Derek did not exist it would have been necessary for the Citizens to create him. I'm going to adopt some terminology here because it's crucial we (as obviously disinterested goons of Science  ) keep two concepts separate. One of them is Derek Smart, human being with a twitter account. The other is THE SMART. Great Beast Who Is Called Warlord. Avatar of Big Publishing. The terrible being with eyes of fire and tongues of flame who rose from Internet Hell to destroy Dreams, who travels in a shrieking cloud of circling bats accompanied by the wails of the goons and dramatic choirs chanting in Latin.That entity doesn't exist anywhere outside the Citizens' collective nightmares (and this thread's half-serious injokes), but it was already there long before Derek typed his first blog. He just put a name and a face to it. THE SMART is, of course, the personification of backer nervousness. Their fear the game genuinely is impossible to make, that Chris is overpromising, that the funding won't hold up. The entirely rational fears it is quite normal to hold even if one has plenty of faith in the project. It might not work out, and if it doesn't...well, there goes their dream and their money too. A lot of their money. Life-changing, farm-mortgaging, marriage-ending amounts. I'd bet that same money that the first thing many citizens said to themselves when Derek first crossed their radar was "Of course...". Of course there would be an Anti-Crobbler. Of course someone would rise to fight the glorious promise of Star Citizen. Of course there would be someone that evil, that diabolical, that beholden to dark powers, to try and take away their Dreams. He fits the worldview of a frustrated, aging nerd all too well. The reason I don't have nice things is because The Man keeps me down, and here he is right now tryin' to stop this Glorious Thing. The real dark whisper of THE SMART (choirs) is that Star Citizen is never coming out. Your money has bought you nothing except a terrible tech demo and Chris's instagram gallery. You're not Han Solo, Captain Kirk, OR Mal Reynolds, you're still whoever you were before you bought your first ship. That's bad. For some citizens - the saddest ones, the ones most in need of help - that's terrible. Hateful. Evil. It's also tremendously painful. But it's also an entirely natural thing to think, just with basic human critical faculties. The ones CIG and one's fellow cultists spend so much time and energy suppressing. Cultists aren't (all) dumb, they're just caught in a system designed to switch their critical thinking off. So THE SMART (choirs)'s real purpose, his real utility in the minds of Citizens, is as something to sublimate their misgivings onto. When CIG rides high, the Citizens are dismissive. When CIG hits trouble, they go fight Derek. When the crazier backers disappear from the fandom during a marketing fuckup, some of them go off and spout hate at Derek for a bit thinking that this would drive back THE SMART and make Star Citizen good again. I've talked about how Elite and Line of Defence are where the citizens project problems with the game; Derek is where they put their problems with themselves. A classic scapegoat. When a Citizen triumphs against Derek, he triumphs against the part of his brain that is saying "hold on, why are we spending so much cash here?" Now, the man behind the mask didn't have to be Derek Smart. It was well on the way to being Beer4thebeergod for a while. The role would have fit any charismatic backer who pulled out early or any outsider who spoke out too loudly. David Braben would have fit (he's basically the current understudy). If nobody stepped forward to take the role, sooner or later it would have been Big Publishing or someone like Bobby Kotick. The cult would be much the same externally, spite pledges and all. Derek proved an excellent candidate for the mantle. It requires a certain level of independence and thick skin just to sustain the requirements of the post. Someone with a day job would be at risk from being harassed so hard they actually stopped warlording (witness the Escapist and their poor journalist who was just too early). Derek has time and an independent income and a very thick skin indeed; he's pretty much immune to any weapon in the backer arsenal and that makes him a perfect Dark Lord. Derek also knows his lines. He can sneer, he can mock, he fits the role of playground bully and he can be baited. He spouts heresies (leaks! ex-CIG employees saying nasty things!), he attracts followers (goons!), he plays the role of a cartoon villain excellently. Citizens naturally want to fight him to exorcise the cognitive dissonance, and as it happens Derek's up for the fight. The key is to remember that the Citizens already wanted someone to fight. They wanted to go find someone to dump their fears onto and vent their anger at. Derek was in the right place at the wrong time. He doesn't fight fair though. He doesn't meet them on the field at dawn wearing black armour and carrying a sword of crying souls, then battle them for a day and night under a burning sky. Or at least he doesn't stop tweeting when a Citizen sends him what all his fellow Citizens assure him are SICK OWNS. The Citizenry resent that (then tell themselves that it's just proof of his treachery). The SMART role (choirs) includes striving to defeat CIG and all their works - but it doesn't include actually undermining CIG and their works or making the citizens ask themselves awkward existential questions. That's when they really, really loathe him. And so Derek Smart the person is given an absurd level of power by citizens, elevated into a dark figure whose very existence harms Star Citizen...while at the same time, that harm is used to explain why Star Citizen isn't living up to their dreams yet. The Man, keeping them down. Remember, the key to the spite pledge is that proving THE SMART (choirs) wrong makes Star Citizen itself better. Because it makes the voices in the individual backers' heads shut up. Of course THE SMART cannot be truly defeated until the Great Day of Release when Chris descends from Heaven etc etc - which is to say, it would come on the day Chris finally disproves the backers' misgivings by releasing the game - but surely He should have been forced into retreat by the same arguments the citizens use to reassure each other. That apocalyptic rhetoric was telling. Now the game is facing an actual apocalypse we're not seeing any of this cartoon stuff anymore . We're seeing resentment and rage and threats of Internet Violence. Attempts to claim power over the situation with weird legal terminology and "affidavits". In other words, the standard reactions of obsessed, angry nerds when their worldview starts to falter. This is no longer a situation THE SMART (choirs) can help backers mentally come to terms with. It'll be interesting to see if they try to build a new one to encompass Skadden and Crytek. If Derek really wanted the Citizens to love him forever, all he needs to do is don spiky black armour, wear a skull mask, then ride into CIG HQ by shattering the Space Door and carry off Sandi on a dark steed with glowing eyes. Citizens would pledge their entire worldly goods on the spot to form a Space Posse to go after him. If he then finished the storyline in their heads and shook his fist in defiance from the bridge of an exploding skull-faced Vanduul supercarrier (no doubt begging his dark EA masters for mercy as the ship burned around him), then he'd claim a world record for the most human beings simultaneously brought to orgasm in a 24-hour period and could single-handedly fund Star Citizen's development until 2025. Choirs. Annoyingly however the Derek Smart who actually exists doesn't live in that world. He is a flawed Internet Satan. He lives over in reality, where the average citizen is that 43-year-old wages clerk in Idaho. He may be a single-minded old cuss who sustains himself on the rage of others (and he appears to be just fine with that), but his greatest sin is not playing along. Not actually being a proper scapegoat. Derek might actually win, and that's not in the Great Book of Crobblers at all.
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SelenicMartian posted:That's exactly what they say on the AtV around 4 minutes in. I follow the Pgabz school of watching AtV. I click the video, then realize it is garbage and closes the tab. 
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BeigeJacket posted:Which game is this? Kingdom Come: Deliverance, I assume.
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Toops posted:My secret hope is that CIG is close to insolvency. Coutts calls in the loan, CIG is forced to settle because they can't pay lawyers to fight it, and boom goes the dream dynamite almost overnight. Servers shut down and Chris releases a final "sorry, thanks for all the fish" video. This is the ending everyone deserves. Can't you just picture it? This time he's back without his crippling contract that ruined Star Citizen! And he's going to code a new engine from the ground up and he needs your help! Then the crucial bit of bait on the end of the hook: the claim you'll get all your ships you pledged for in this game if you support it, once they're implemented Their sunk cost will redline and the mental gymnastics will reach fever pitch. Crytek absolves of him of all sin. All he needs to do is promise you can import your account during the new indiegogo campaign and bam, the whales will be dragged thrashing and screaming onto shore to be milked again.
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Slow_Moe posted:I follow the Pgabz school of watching AtV. I click the video, then realize it is garbage and closes the tab. I do the same except without clicking the video
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Beet Wagon posted:I was trying to make us sound less insane than we already do That sounds like a fight nobody can win
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Toops posted:My secret hope is that CIG is close to insolvency. Coutts calls in the loan, CIG is forced to settle because they can't pay lawyers to fight it, and boom goes the dream dynamite almost overnight. Servers shut down and Chris releases a final "sorry, thanks for all the fish" video. This is the ending everyone deserves. He'll be too busy stuffing unmarked bills into a suitcase and quietly sobbing about the fact he blew his second chance to get into Hollywood.
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Foo Diddley posted:I do the same except without clicking the video I don't have video embedding turned on, so I go in blind every time. I am not a smart man.
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Crazypoops posted:If they even have the money to settle Yeah, but I can see some cash and a revenue sharing deal being on the table. Quite honestly, if there was a way for them to settle it, I would rather they did that because the alternative is a waste of everyone's time, and backers would stand a less chance of ever getting anything resembling a "game" they paid for. ----------------
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Loxbourne posted:In his hour of triumph, I'd like to devote an effortpost to Derek Smart himself. A dangerous past-time, perhaps, but an important question to ask. I'm here for the laughs like most of the thread but I also want to see CIG pulled apart and picked over. I want to read Coutts' debtor reports, see the forensic accountants go over the books, get as many backers out as are willing to be saved. Taking CIG apart properly means doing ballistic analysis of the huge great burning trail blasted through it by one man. I too enjoy opera. Have you seen the work of Samuel Ramey?
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