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Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Yeeessss you are a gentleman and a scholar sir!

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EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013

Shut up about anime

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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EmmyOk posted:

Shut up about anime

~**~≧◡≦EmmyOk≧◡≦~**~

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
Anyone remember a really long post about how hard it is being a train-pilot? I think it was after the crash in Canada a few years back.

Snowglobe of Doom
Mar 30, 2012

sucks to be right

funmanguy posted:

Anyone remember a really long post about how hard it is being a train-pilot? I think it was after the crash in Canada a few years back.

Was it the post about what happens when the driver slams on the brakes and the fully laden cars start reacting?

Theris
Oct 9, 2007

funmanguy posted:

Anyone remember a really long post about how hard it is being a train-pilot? I think it was after the crash in Canada a few years back.

B4Ctom1 posted:

Pretty much this. It is hard to explain not just the physics, but the amounts of forces involved.

We use throttle to create stretching or "draft" forces and dynamic braking (think of downhill engine braking in a car) to create bunching or "buff" forces.

To start with, when you are running the train, you are feathering the throttle or dynamic braking to keep "in train forces" at acceptable levels. This is based upon the terrain each part of the train is passing over.

Even small changes in grade, if there are enough of them under the length of the train, are enough to break knuckles, rip out draw bars, or derail cars simply by doing "nothing at all" at the wrong time.

In these situations heavier applications of power or dynamic brake are required to keep these "in train forces" down.

Think of a large sliced loaf of bread. I take the wrapper off of it and ask you to carry it across the room. One hand on each end should suffice. A small amount of pressure to keep the bread from being crushed and across the room you go.

The knuckle and drawbar connections between the cars seem very strong to the layman, but when compared to the amount of weight of loaded freight cars, and all of the cars behind them piled upon it, it may as well be dental floss.

You can break dental floss easily, but the difference is that it is hard to "crush" dental floss.

The poster I have quoted above is addressing something we call "train make up". THe "in train forces" can be additionally effected by the way cars or groups of cars are placed in the train. Long cars next to short cars, loads next to empties.

Generally freight trains that are not hauling a bulk of the same commodity are mixed freight. A bulk commodity train would be an entire train of wheat or coal. These trains are very heavy, and have their own set of problems, but in general do not have any issue of train make up because all of the cars are generally the same weight and type. Mixed freight trains are the most common types of trains on the main rail thoroughfares.

A mixed freight train I haul might have 25 heavy loaded lumber cars, 15 empty or loaded auto racks, 20 empty or loaded tank cars of various lengths, 30 empty or loaded covered hopper cars of various lengths, and 30 loaded or empty boxcars of two different lengths.

So for this example train of 120 cars. Lets say it weighs 7900 tons and is 9000 feet (2.75KM) long.

I am traveling along at 50 MPH.

The "head end" of the train has passed the bottom of the grade and the train is still descending the grade. As about half of the train leaves the grade I am looking ahead at the next grade to climb directly ahead. I have been using dynamic brake and need to "transition" from braking to power. I move the lever into the idle position and begin waiting my 10 seconds. In my my mind, from experience, I know that I need to rapidly, but gently begin notching through my power notches without allowing my train to accelerate past 50 MPH which I am restricted to.

The very head of the train is traveling around a slight curvature in the track. I also need to see that the next signal is green "clear" so that I do not have to formulate an entire other plan as a reduction of speed might be required instead. I see that the signal is flashing yellow "advanced approach". This will mean a reduction of speed to 40 MPH and a possible stop short of the second signal ahead.

As I am thinking of what I am to do next and waiting for the 10 seconds to pass, the next crossing becomes visible and I see that there is a truck hauling a low slung trailer with a heavy piece of equipment on it. He is blocking the crossing because his low slung trailer is stuck on the raised rail and crossing lumber that you drive across.

Without hesitation or further consideration, I slam the brake handle into the emergency position, dumping all the trainline air. I reach up and toggle the switch that ensures that the "End Of Train" device dumps from the rear as well. I bail off the locomotive air brakes because they are so powerful in a situation like this, that they can cause such a massive buff forces which will certainly derail a train. Additionally they can crumple or destroy the track beneath them.

While in earlier transition from dynamic braking to power "slack" had developed in the train. Slack is neither draft or buff, but more of a null position like rail cars standing in a yard not connected to a train. A developed space between cars where they are sort of relaxed.

As the air dumped from the train-line, the brake valves on each car sense this emergency and dump the full value of air contained within their emergency reservoir into the large cylinder that applies the brakes giving each car higher than usual stopping power.

Somewhere near the head end of the train a group of empty tank cars having such massive braking power begin to stop the train, but right behind them a group of heavy loaded hoppers presses against them, their own braking being less substantial. A tank car of Anhydrous Ammonia right between the groups which has been taking the brunt of these two opposing forces has a wheel that lifts off the rail as it is being pressed around a curve. This car, the car ahead of it, and nine of the loaded hopper cars behind it all leave the rail and head into a tiny quiet suburb in the middle of the night.

Half way back in the train where the most of the box cars are, they settle down for their stop. Still bunched because they were still descending the hill. The heavy loads of lumber fighting them as they come to a stop. Even though on straight track the, one end of an empty boxcar in the group begins to lift into the air. The opposing force of the heavy lumber cars and the stopping train ahead of it is too much. As it sets back down the wheels miss the track and begin to erase the track, all of the cars behind it having no track to ride on begin to take paths of their own in each direction.

Near the back of the train the auto-rack settle down hard. Harder than the group of heavy lumber cars ahead of them. This causes one of the long 500+ pound (230kg) draw-bars in the third auto-rack to be sheared from place. For a moment it tumbles through space, whistling though the wind in contact with only the air. Then it strikes a tie and the car passing above it in vaulted, only inches off of the rail, and a carload of new rangerovers tumbles end over end into a reservoir of drinking water.

The drawbar is angry, propelled by its last impact it drops onto the rail for a moment derailing a load of mini coopers, a load of corvettes, a load of ford diesel pickups, and a load of prius. The last of the autoracks ram into those derailed and the drawbar impales itself through the bottom of a boxcar piercing 20 cases of aged Glenfiddich.

Back on the locomotive, pressed forward by the loads behind, we cover the half mile to the stuck trailer in about 45 seconds. My conductor sees that the piece of equipment is a D9 Caterpillar bulldozer and screams like a woman as he jumps from his window at 35 mph. The fall from 15 feet in the air certainly would have killed him but instead he tumbled and struck feet first shattering his legs in 20 places and cartwheeling to his death as his head exploded when it struck the hard granite ballast some 20 times or so in the cartwheeling tumble. It takes 24 hours for them to find his body under crumpled boxcars.

I run out the back door to the second locomotive where I lay down in the cab. The impact at 35 mph is brutal. The second locomotive which I am on climbs under the front locomotive. The third locomotive does the same to mine. When the locomotive comes to a rest, is on its side, and both my arms are broken.

I drown, face down, in 200 gallons of brownish, blueish sewage from a chemical toilet long overdue for a cleaning. But my dignity is preserved because a fire from the combined 12,000 gallons (45.5 Kiloliters) of fuel burns for 3 days incinerating me and most of the locomotives completely.

The undocumented worker driving the truck with the wedged trailer disappears.

During the conductor's autopsy, trace amounts of THC from a brownie he consumed 3 weeks earlier while on vacation in Amsterdam are found to be the cause of the accident.

It was also noted in the government report that the cellphone of an engineer on a different train following ours was "on" at the time of our impact, and this may have contributed to the wreck.

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
Much appreciated

purple death ray
Jul 28, 2007

me omw 2 steal ur girl

EmmyOk posted:

Shut up about anime

Emmy-sama is so tsundere

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

I call bullshit on that train post. Pretty sure the plural of Prius is not Prius.

Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe
Prii?

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose
Priodes.

funmanguy
Apr 20, 2006

What time is it?
Pra

Antifa Poltergeist
Jun 3, 2004

"We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you"



Priuses.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY
Priebus

Outrail
Jan 4, 2009

www.sapphicrobotica.com
:roboluv: :love: :roboluv:

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Dear lord....is this something I agree with Trump on?

Aphrodite
Jun 27, 2006

The track was brand new.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Solice Kirsk posted:

Dear lord....is this something I agree with Trump on?

I think it's important to note that he made this tweet 10 minutes before offering any sort of condolences or sympathies for those affected by it. Also, I'm just taking a shot in the dark here to say that you probably won't like whatever infrastructure plan the Republicans submit.

Chitin
Apr 29, 2007

It is no sign of health to be well-adjusted to a profoundly sick society.
Also the new budget massively cuts Amtrak funding.

Solice Kirsk
Jun 1, 2004

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Chitin posted:

Also the new budget massively cuts Amtrak funding.

No better way to preserve it than to not use it!

Sir Lemming
Jan 27, 2009

It's a piece of JUNK!
Don't politicize tragedies*


*if they're caused by a white guy with a gun

Kit Walker
Jul 10, 2010
"The Man Who Cannot Deadlift"

SpacePig posted:

I think it's important to note that he made this tweet 10 minutes before offering any sort of condolences or sympathies for those affected by it. Also, I'm just taking a shot in the dark here to say that you probably won't like whatever infrastructure plan the Republicans submit.

The plan is just a sheet of paper with "no" written on it

Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

All Roads Lead to Trump

I'm guessing all the infrastructure Trump supports will lead directly in and out of his properties. The rest can crumble.

SpacePig
Apr 4, 2007

I'M FEELING JIMMY

Kit Walker posted:

The plan is just a sheet of paper with "no" written on it

Oh, I doubt that. Infrastructure is arguably a bipartisan issue. It'll be either something short enough that they can try to do the "This is what lack of government is!" thing, or long enough and with enough individual exceptions that no person could be reasonably expected to read the whole thing, and will basically say "Build roads and whatnot at the exclusive expense of the poor, without investing in any of the areas in which the poor reside and/or commute."

syscall girl
Nov 7, 2009

by FactsAreUseless
Fun Shoe

Eww :barf:

Happy Thread
Jul 10, 2005

by Fluffdaddy
Plaster Town Cop

SpacePig posted:

Oh, I doubt that. Infrastructure is arguably a bipartisan issue. It'll be either something short enough that they can try to do the "This is what lack of government is!" thing, or long enough and with enough individual exceptions that no person could be reasonably expected to read the whole thing, and will basically say "Build roads and whatnot at the exclusive expense of the poor, without investing in any of the areas in which the poor reside and/or commute."

Trump worked with the mob his whole life in the Casino industry. The only other industry that's more mob infested is construction. Think of the bidding process for expensive government contracts. If the right wing seems to care about infrastructure a lot, it's because their eyes are lighting up with dollar signs that should be brighter than the bat signal for anyone else trying to observe their motive, because it's most well understood how to use construction for grift and they know they can easily funnel most of the budget their way.

Jeza
Feb 13, 2011

The cries of the dead are terrible indeed; you should try not to hear them.

ladron posted:

I don't know what kind of medical college you went to, but recreational CT scans are the new bikini car washes

SulfurMonoxideCute
Feb 9, 2008

I was under direct orders not to die
🐵❌💀

Trump will make the trains run on time!

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
Cause there sure won't be enough fuel for them the way things are going.

WeedlordGoku69
Feb 12, 2015

by Cyrano4747

EmmyOk posted:

Shut up about anime



??

Cacafuego
Jul 22, 2007

Karate Bastard posted:

Cause there sure won't be enough fuel for them the way things are going.

Plenty of clean coal :v:

EmmyOk
Aug 11, 2013


I like anime but that doesn't mean I want to read derails about it in every thread. Namaste

FreudianSlippers
Apr 12, 2010

Shooting and Fucking
are the same thing!

The anime of my anime is my friend.

HerStuddMuffin
Aug 10, 2014

YOSPOS

FreudianSlippers posted:

The anime of my anime is my friend.
:golfclap:

Taciturn Tactician
Jan 27, 2011

The secret to good health is a balanced diet and unstable healing radiation
Lipstick Apathy

Lovechop posted:

[rolling around in pig poo poo with pigs at the pig farm] sometimes i feel bad about doing this but then i remember that most of these pigs are SUPER dumb lol

Gumbel2Gumbel
Apr 28, 2010

It doesn't need context but it was perfect for that scenario

Mr. Sunshine
May 15, 2008

This is a scrunt that has been in space too long and become a Lunt (Long Scrunt)

Fun Shoe

Chard posted:

The MSJ posted:

Why would you assume goons have lives?

A pulse is different from being a person

Karate Bastard
Jul 31, 2007

Soiled Meat
Don't click this there are cursed images inside

Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:

do you even know what a curse is!!!

e: i have realised that this is not a large dog

honda whisperer
Mar 29, 2009

FreudianSlippers posted:

The anime of my anime is my friend.

I'm stealing this, it is amazing.

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Lobok
Jul 13, 2006

Say Watt?

honda whisperer posted:

I'm stealing this, it is amazing.

Stealing it? C'mon, it shouldn't be that hard to cite the bibliographical information. I forget, which one is easier for messageboard posts: MLA or Chicago style?

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