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Another information dense video. Several key points have been conveyed in just 93 seconds. Lets try to unpack that a bit. 1) Mars First Martian Terrorists have blown up a civilian colony vessel. Boo. Hiss. Usually terrorists only have support when the economy is doing poorly or the government is being excessively dickish. Neither is the case here, Mars has more jobs than workers so there aren't any idle hands to stir up trouble. I'm going to put this down to Jumpmadness spreading. Not sure what to do to counter that. 2) TFS exploration ship that met mechanical uncle is MIA by 4 days. We should offer to send a last gen fleet scout or two along with a jump tender to help look for it. 3) Civilians don't know why fleets are being redeployed. This means our Martian government hasn't yet released news of the Fartcrabs. So much for the progressive left! Serpentis posted:He realised he’d let his zeal get ahead of him again, and not thought out what he was going to actually say. He weighed up the risk for a moment. Here, at least, he could close the bathroom door in a pinch, but his personal prayer-holo was in the main room desk, and if one of the officers came in with urgent news while he was preparing in there and reading … Hm. Best not to chance it. He tutted at his own recklessness before taking a breath. Perhaps a classic would serve in times like these. Oh look. A cult. A secret cult. A secret cult in a culture that has no prior references to being a theological state or persecuting weird religions. This is so loving bad. A new religion popping up right now just about has to be the result of jumpmadness influence. That they're hiding knowledge of even the existence of the cult pretty much confirms it. If the religion was all sweetness and light they wouldn't be hiding it in our society. Worse, they have spaceship captains on their side. Spaceship captains with access to next generation better-than-nuke warheads. If the broadcast hadn't been so specific about the small size of the explosion, It'd be a slam dunk that this is where they got the nuke from. As is, it could still be one of our AMMs or even a last generation size 1 missile. Hey, remember how one of UT's captains nuked the surface of Earth after going jump crazy? Our captains might start doing it just because they belong to a crazy cult. No magic number of too many jumps needed first. Best of all, we can't even do anything about it since its a secret cult we don't officially know about. Happy holidays everyone! 
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Nevets posted:Plan: Red Scare Now this, this is a plan I can get behind. A vote for Red Scare. LLSix posted:Oh look. A cult. A secret cult. A secret cult in a culture that has no prior references to being a theological state or persecuting weird religions. You may very well think that. I couldn't possibly comment.
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Dec 22, 2017 20:02
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There is an excellent chance Mars First is funded by Terra. It's run by Putin's daughter, for God's sake!
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Dec 22, 2017 20:03
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The SETI plan will help with stymying Mars First influence. Something just cracking down will never do. (Crack down on hardliners and give the moderates what they want is what we need to do) It will also take care of the IC issue smoothly and help with relations with earth. Plus imagine not having to dedicate slipways and research towards terraforming! We can go on a war footing while keeping our population happy! Mars First is a result of our actions! Let's take responsibility in ending it!
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Dec 22, 2017 20:10
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LLSix posted:Boo. Hiss. Usually terrorists only have support when the economy is doing poorly or the government is being excessively dickish. Neither is the case here, Mars has more jobs than workers so there aren't any idle hands to stir up trouble. I'm going to put this down to Jumpmadness spreading. Not sure what to do to counter that. Oh poo poo, is jump madness contagious or something? Unless Mars First are all military personnel who have jumped.... well, apparently the civilians are going jump mad somehow? We, uh, we might be kinda hosed. What the hell is causing this? Is it getting worse? Is it affecting the other factions?
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Dec 22, 2017 20:16
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It doesn't necessarily have to be contagious. More and more people getting it increases the chances of someone who's influential or charismatic getting it and persuading others to his or her weird space madness born ideas.
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Dec 22, 2017 20:20
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Only a miniscule portion of humanity has ever actually jumped anywhere (with a drive at least, millions have used gates), and those few thousand who have are all active duty military personnel, not big influential figures.
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Dec 22, 2017 20:22
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Lots of cult leaders aren't big deals until they get the cult going. It just takes one being charismatic. Also I think in a +/- Fantatics ultra-nationalist society the military might actually have a fair degree of prestige and its personal some social capital.
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Dec 22, 2017 20:25
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So, ready to pass jump tax legislation yet, or are we still too squeamish? We should definitely pass Red Scare, just for the Mars First bit. Can we vote in multiple plans? RA Rx fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Here's the text of the bulletin, for easy reference.quote:Deidrick Galen, Mars Federal News, at the top of the hour, December 22nd, 2054. And leading the news tonight, a shocking attack by terrorists on the Cryonic Princess, a slabship holding more than fifty thousand brave Terran immigrants on their way to take the Red Pledge. Eyewitnesses from Tycho Central report a bright flash visible from Mars surface, and security forces have provided preliminary reports of a megaton level detonation consistent with nuclear warhead. Terrorist group Mars First have claimed responsibility, with a rambling recorded statement that denounces ‘Terran bloodsuckers and spies’ and claims attacks will continue until Mars is safe for Martians. Investigations are ongoing.
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Dec 22, 2017 20:40
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Red Scare will probably result in a civil war. Do delegitimize them; do not declare war on them. An amnesty program isn't a bad idea.
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Dec 22, 2017 21:13
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:Red Scare will probably result in a civil war. Do delegitimize them; do not declare war on them. An amnesty program isn't a bad idea. They just nuked our citizens. They are already engaged in a civil war with us. It is time to respond in kind.
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Dec 22, 2017 21:29
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VanSandman posted:They just nuked our citizens. They are already engaged in a civil war with us. It is time to respond in kind. They committed an act of terrorism. They should be prosecuted according to the law. Civil war only benefits our rivals and enemies, who are legion.
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Dec 22, 2017 21:31
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LLSix posted:Oh look. A cult. A secret cult. A secret cult in a culture that has no prior references to being a theological state or persecuting weird religions. Crazycryodude posted:Oh poo poo, is jump madness contagious or something? Unless Mars First are all military personnel who have jumped.... well, apparently the civilians are going jump mad somehow? We, uh, we might be kinda hosed. What the hell is causing this? Is it getting worse? Is it affecting the other factions? VanSandman posted:They just nuked our citizens. They are already engaged in a civil war with us. It is time to respond in kind.
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Friend Commuter posted:Why do you assume they're new? There's a fine line beween fanatics and zealots, the Rust Cult might well be old news. Couldn't comment on either count, naturally.
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Dec 22, 2017 22:11
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Serpentis posted:Couldn't comment on either count, naturally. Naturally.
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Dec 22, 2017 22:19
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:They committed an act of terrorism. They should be prosecuted according to the law. Civil war only benefits our rivals and enemies, who are legion. If they are somehow large enough to actively start a civil war we are F U C K E D no matter what we do. Takes a couple crazy people to either nuke mars or earth. Getting rid of these people asap is important for the safety of both Martian and Terran citizens.
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ChaseSP posted:If they are somehow large enough to actively start a civil war we are F U C K E D no matter what we do. Takes a couple crazy people to either nuke mars or earth. Getting rid of these people asap is important for the safety of both Martian and Terran citizens. I think declaring them as hostile combatants would legitimize them as a side and encourage some otherwise law abiding Martians to rise up with them in terraphobic and xenophobic solidarity. They are being used as tools to destabilize our society. Declaring war on them will escalate the situation when we should instead be undermining their political position and imprisoning the mass murderers responsible.
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I honestly don't see any positions that aren't knee jerk nationalism when everything is going amazing for Mars in the first place. Honestly makes me wonder if this is just a third parties attempt at destabilizing us.
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Dec 22, 2017 22:41
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ChaseSP posted:I honestly don't see any positions that aren't knee jerk nationalism when everything is going amazing for Mars in the first place. Honestly makes me wonder if this is just a third parties attempt at destabilizing us. This is exactly the kind of poo poo we've talked about doing to the Terrans and IC, it's definitely possible.
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Plan: Nuke Earth Nuke Earth
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tatankatonk posted:Plan: Nuke Earth I mean I'm totally-not-a Mars cultist and even I think this is a hilariously bad idea
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Friend Commuter posted:This is exactly the kind of poo poo we've talked about doing to the Terrans and IC, it's definitely possible. Yes. And that's why I'm advocating the counteragitprop tactic instead of inviting mass acts of idiocy.
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But seriously. A nuclear device goes off killing over 50k people and you think the organization supporting this will have moderates still? gently caress any damned "moderates" still associating with them.
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ChaseSP posted:But seriously. A nuclear device goes off killing over 50k people and you think the organization supporting this will have moderates still? gently caress any damned "moderates" still associating with them. Exactly. So we give their moderate former associates an out, get them to grass up everyone they know about, and then the hammer comes down. I reckon Red Scare's about as good a plan as we're going to get.
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The real world war on terror hasn't exactly been a boon to the proletariat.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:The real world war on terror hasn't exactly been a boon to the proletariat. poo poo the war of terror was instigated by outside sources at the very least. This is, as far as we know, commited by our own citizens against future brothers in arms. An unforgivable act.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:The real world war on terror hasn't exactly been a boon to the proletariat.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:The real world war on terror hasn't exactly been a boon to the proletariat. The proletariat gets hosed either way. The only time they benefit is during prolonged periods of peace & stability, and that isn't an option for Mars. We've got Crabs to the left of us, Nazis to the right. Here I am... If we go easy on them the UT will be screaming for our blood. Imagine if a ship full of Martian tourists got nuked by Earth First, how would the majority of Martians react if Putina said she was trying to negotiate with them and that the most of the people at the 'gently caress Mars' rallies weren't terrorists but just trying to get laid?
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Friend Commuter posted:Random nuclear fireballs also aren't exactly boons to the proletariat. No, but I'm pretty sure a civil war is only going to play into our foes' hands and make things much worse. Also I'm not sure what part of imprisoning and trying terrorists in court is "going easy on them." It's better to discredit, dismantle, and humiliate these murderers than acknowledge them with a declaration of war.
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Ignoring terrorists who already pulled off a significant attack due to fears of more attacks is pretty counter productive from my point of view. I understand you don't think ignoring them is a good idea but going after the offenders but leaving the organization as a whole sounds like a great way to get future attacks.
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I'm not sure how the organization would survive after having its membership gutted. That includes going after any puppet masters. I'm looking at you, Harris. Declaring that these people are extra judicial targets shows that all of you in support of doing so have no faith in the systems Martians put in place when establishing a nation by and for its people, and that your claims to solidarity and brotherhood are a sham, and that our laws and governance are no better than Terra's or the IC's -- that the law merely exists to perpetuate the law.
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I'm not calling for any extra judicial actions. Simply I do not consider this any form of peaceful movement anymore that can be treated by civilian courts.
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POOL IS CLOSED posted:Declaring that these people are extra judicial targets shows that all of you in support of doing so have no faith in the systems Martians put in place when establishing a nation by and for its people, and that your claims to solidarity and brotherhood are a sham, and that our laws and governance are no better than Terra's or the IC's -- that the law merely exists to perpetuate the law. Under Red Scare they only become extra judicial targets if they don't submit to a thorough debriefing by the authorities. Anybody who doesn't want to give the police any information that might prevent another attack obviously has it out for Mars. Plus anybody that blows up people who want to become Martians can't claim to be Martian themselves anymore, so no problem with solidarity, brotherhood, etc. These people renounced their citizenship when they decided that citizenship didn't deserve to be extended to anyone else.
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I'll reiterate here what I said in the back channel. If you see me say investigate, imprison, try, and sentence the murderous shitstains that killed those migrants and crewmates and see that as doing nothing, I don't understand how you're reaching that conclusion. Unless you think Martian justice rings hollow. In which case what is the difference between Mars and United Terra but where your citizenship papers are stored? These are not enemy combatants. They are mass murderers. They should not be dignified with such a designation; they don't have Mars' blessing and don't deserve it. Let them and all humanity see the quality of our justice.
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Frankly I just feel that the Mars First organization needs a deep and thorough investigation for any potential leaks. Like how did they get their hands on a 1MT nuclear device and snuggle it onto a freighter.
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ChaseSP posted:I honestly don't see any positions that aren't knee jerk nationalism when everything is going amazing for Mars in the first place. Honestly makes me wonder if this is just a third parties attempt at destabilizing us. As previously stated our terraformers on Mars got blown the hell up by IC. It's literally listed as a weakness/vulnerability for us in the OP and we've been ignoring it entirely so far. Saros posted:Martian Colonial Federation When Mars First first came into being, Saros explicitly attributed the lack of focus on terraforming / loss of terraforming infrastructure as what spawned them. It's not "definitely outside agitation" and to the people living on Mars who had the terraformers of the planet they call home die in nuclear fire while we focused on jump tech, strengthening our military, and exploring the universe things probably do not think things are "going amazing for Mars in the first place". Could Harris or someone else have taken advantage of this unrest and helped them to destabilize us? Absolutely, but the idea that it's just foreign meddling is ludicrous and completely against everything we've gotten directly from Saros's mouth. Some of you guys are probably just having fun roleplaying hardliners and propagandists and that's perfectly fine, but it seems like this post is warranted just to make it clear  edit: toned down this post a bit cause judging by the next few posts I'm overreacting, sorry. Rawkking fucked around with this message at 01:12 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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I said blame it on the IC and UT to destabilize the Mars Firsters in return, not because it's necessarily true. But I do think this terrorism is very likely precipitated by the shadowy forces Harris represents. It's not a big leap for other factions to see this weakness and see Mars First form and decide to infiltrate and subvert the movement and use its name to commit heinous crimes against humanity.
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Mars is still actively being terraformed. You don't loving murder 50000 people over terraforming being slower than usual but still ongoing.
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Rawkking posted:This is completely wrong. As previously stated our terraformers on Mars got blown the hell up by IC. It's literally listed as a weakness/vulnerability for us in the OP and we've been ignoring it entirely so far. That's certainly how it started but that's far from saying they aren't now receiving external support.
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