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having an easily replaceable battery would reduce capacity by like 2/3. the phone being almost all battery was the innovation behind the original iPhone
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Shaggar posted:option 4 if you had good design with a replaceable battery and told users their battery was getting old, everyone would buy battery replacements and swap them out themselves and nobody would buy new iphones. shaggar was right
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Dec 23, 2017 16:11
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hobbesmaster posted:having an easily replaceable battery would reduce capacity by like 2/3. the phone being almost all battery was the innovation behind the original iPhone no, the innovation was the ui and touch screen. the battery design might have been a compromise then, but there's no reason to keep it other than coercing users to buy new and fill up the landfills with the old.
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Dec 23, 2017 16:13
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Alternate reality 2008: ah yes this iPhone is amazing. the battery seamlessly merges with the back of the case. excellent web browser function. my penis has grown 3 inches. *phone dies in 2 hours*
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Dec 23, 2017 16:51
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shut up, nerds
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Dec 23, 2017 17:14
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Yeah just buy a battery case already
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Dec 23, 2017 17:27
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akadajet posted:shaggar was right shaggar knows dick-all about industrial design. to make the battery user replaceable the phone has to be bigger or the battery smaller if you're used to some brick-looking piece of poo poo like the lumia 940 this probably sounds like a reasonable option
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Dec 23, 2017 17:30
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r u ready to WALK posted:Yeah just buy a battery case already lmao. this was the moment i knew for sure timb was going to destroy apple
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Dec 23, 2017 17:31
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infernal machines posted:shaggar knows dick-all about industrial design. to make the battery user replaceable the phone has to be bigger or the battery smaller
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Dec 23, 2017 20:09
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Fabricated posted:The phones are too loving thin anyway who cares 
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Dec 23, 2017 20:17
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infernal machines posted:shaggar knows dick-all about industrial design. to make the battery user replaceable the phone has to be bigger or the battery smaller a few mm isn't going to kill anyone and I don't really give a poo poo what that hack jonny ives thinks about design. hes never made something that's worked.
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Silver Alicorn posted:imageine useing a 5+ year old iPhone my iphone 5s is like 4 years old, runs the latest ios... and I dont have issues with apps wtf apple? Shaggar posted:a few mm isn't going to kill anyone and I don't really give a poo poo what that hack jonny ives thinks about design. hes never made something that's worked. at 2 extra millimters per phones thats an extra 2 kilomters of phones every day! the worls isn't big enough for 700km EXTRA phones every year
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Dec 23, 2017 20:57
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nah i am fine with not having a removable battery, as long as it lasts ~2 years and i can get it replaced for 50-100 bucks. external battery packs work fine and i have one big enough to charge my laptop while i am traveling, i don't need replaceable batteries or battery cases.
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Dec 23, 2017 20:59
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 just make an info panel like this for your phone and no one will care
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:
counterpoint: no one cares now, so why make the panel?
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kwinklesOFFICIAL posted:
i hope you like getting 20 people a day asking for a free battery replacement because theirs has negative amperage so it must be broken just add a third state to wherever the "please replace battery" prompt shows up: - healthy - degraded performance - needs service poty fucked around with this message at 21:09 on Dec 23, 2017 |
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Dec 23, 2017 21:06
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my MIL's 2-year-old iphone 6 started shutting off randomly and holding like 45 min of charge and only then did the message pop up saying the battery needed service. who even knows how long it had been hiding this by throttling the phone before giving up and admitting defeat. thanks tim for hiding the problem until it rendered the phone completely unusable
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Dec 23, 2017 21:34
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:my MIL's 2-year-old iphone 6 started shutting off randomly and holding like 45 min of charge and only then did the message pop up saying the battery needed service. who even knows how long it had been hiding this by throttling the phone before giving up and admitting defeat. thanks tim for hiding the problem until it rendered the phone completely unusable actually, this is better than notifying the user earlier, because otherwise
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infernal machines posted:counterpoint: no one cares now, so why make the panel? this entire mess is because people do care altho the way people make it sound is as if it’s massive slowdown poty posted:i hope you like getting 20 people a day asking for a free battery replacement because theirs has negative amperage so it must be broken there seems to be discrepancies tales of people at 83% health, 30% slowdown but apple saying at the bar that the battery is green and doesn’t need to be replaced. now that’s an issue [if true] they should maybe make the battery easier to replace, while not making it easily user serviceable
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Dec 23, 2017 22:45
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most people didn’t care until someone made a big deal about it
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Dec 23, 2017 22:46
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most people do care but apple employees have been telling people the phone was just old and they needed a new one.
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Dec 23, 2017 22:50
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echinopsis posted:this entire mess is because people do care this "entire mess" is some xda forums ricers wailing about their epeen absolutely no one who isn't a massive waste of oxygen has ever even heard of geekbench, let alone run it, correlated the scores, and then gotten mad about it
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Dec 23, 2017 23:13
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:my MIL's 2-year-old iphone 6 started shutting off randomly and holding like 45 min of charge and only then did the message pop up saying the battery needed service. who even knows how long it had been hiding this by throttling the phone before giving up and admitting defeat. thanks tim for hiding the problem until it rendered the phone completely unusable that's pretty much exactly how the phone would behave if lifecycle management weren't enabled
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Dec 23, 2017 23:16
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infernal machines posted:that's pretty much exactly how the phone would behave if lifecycle management weren't enabled wouldn't it be a slow decline in battery life at first? my point is that if they told the user as soon as "lifecycle management" becomes necessary then the user could have the battery replaced before it gets to the point where the phone is unusable b/c it only holds 45 min of charge. why hide it from the user until it completely shits the bed?
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Dec 23, 2017 23:31
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:wouldn't it be a slow decline in battery life at first? my point is that if they told the user as soon as "lifecycle management" becomes necessary then the user could have the battery replaced before it gets to the point where the phone is unusable b/c it only holds 45 min of charge. why hide it from the user until it completely shits the bed? something to do with the apple philosophy of the user never loving with their phone probably
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Dec 23, 2017 23:37
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:wouldn't it be a slow decline in battery life at first? my point is that if they told the user as soon as "lifecycle management" becomes necessary then the user could have the battery replaced before it gets to the point where the phone is unusable b/c it only holds 45 min of charge. why hide it from the user until it completely shits the bed? it might be, but not necessarily, it depends on how the battery degrades. you can get big voltage drops under high load, which will cause the phone to freeze or shut off
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Dec 23, 2017 23:40
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Bulgogi Hoagie posted:something to do with the apple philosophy of the user never loving with their phone probably or the apple philosophy of "make it last past the AppleCare+ warranty period then who gives a gently caress buy a new device loser"
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you have to admit that's still better than the android philosophy of "don't offer a warranty, what are you nuts? this thing was poo poo when we built it, it's not going to last two years"
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Dec 24, 2017 00:15
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Tim probably wakes up each morning an recites a mantra of "I will never let another upgrade killer like the unibody and retina mbps happen again"
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infernal machines posted:you have to admit that's still better than the android philosophy of "don't offer a warranty, what are you nuts? this thing was poo poo when we built it, it's not going to last two years" I mean, yes. but "better than android" is not exactly a high bar to clear.
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the problem i think is that, of course it could be better, but like, half the criticism comes from people who seem to actively prefer android
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true, but also by default means you're "best in class" and "industry leading" apple, not particularly good, but technically the best
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Of course Apple phones and laptops are increasingly becoming seamless orbs in the pursuit of thin-n-light, and the iMac Pro is kind of a special case since it's using an existing enclosure and no one really expects to be upgrading all-in ones, but if the 2018 Mac Pro is significantly user-upgradeable is the real bellwether for if Apple's plan is just to squeeze every last drop of blood from every stone forever
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Dec 24, 2017 00:42
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infernal machines posted:it might be, but not necessarily, it depends on how the battery degrades. you can get big voltage drops under high load, which will cause the phone to freeze or shut off either way, there's no reason not to warn the user when the battery is on its way out if you're already checking for this condition. they offer a convenient battery swap in-store, they should tell ppl when they need it
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Dec 24, 2017 00:51
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infernal machines posted:this "entire mess" is some xda forums ricers wailing about their epeen can I be the guy who wails about the guy who wails about the guy wailing about his slow phone
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Dec 24, 2017 01:40
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infernal machines posted:this "entire mess" is some xda forums ricers wailing about their epeen my children saw it on the new zealand national news and told me my iphone is getting slow. realise this : that’s all they know about iphones now, that they get slow who knows how long it’ll be before it becomes old news but right now everyone is hearing about (whether or not they care idk)
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Dec 24, 2017 01:52
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Dixie Cretin Seaman posted:either way, there's no reason not to warn the user when the battery is on its way out if you're already checking for this condition. they offer a convenient battery swap in-store, they should tell ppl when they need it exactly. they should make it easier and quicker for someone to replace it (not user replaceable) and just have the world accept that batteries wear our way before the rest of the phone does also you’re ignorant as gently caress if you also don’t realise there is definitely an aspect of planned obsolescence in the sense that they definitely put more resources into getting people to buy new phones over maintaining old ones. end of the day apple are in the business of making money thru selling the best products, and fixing old products doesn’t mesh well with that who knows is the world reaching a point where phones are just good enough to not replace all the time? i’m virtually never annoyed at my 4 year old 5s
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Dec 24, 2017 01:56
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echinopsis posted:my children saw it on the new zealand national news and told me my iphone is getting slow. realise this : that’s all they know about iphones now, that they get slow well, tbf, your 4-year-old iphone is probably getting slow. that is 100% correct and also, tbf, your 4-year-old iphone still runs without making GBS threads itself every time the cpu ramps up for something because it doesn't over drain the battery
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Dec 24, 2017 02:01
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lmboa pack of raging morons v. apple posted:1. BREACH OF IMPLIED CONTRACT
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the lifecycle management sounds cool and good to me, it seems like the best way for a device with technical constraints and trade offs like batter chemistry should degrade. but apple’s pr department should have been prepared for this. seems like they get caught in these “good design decision has downsides?!” news cycle a lot
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