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| Verity Lambert |
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30 | 15.31% |
| Barry Letts |
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7 | 3.57% |
| Phillip Hinchcliffe |
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| John Nathan-Turner |
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6 | 3.06% |
| Russell T Davies |
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33 | 16.84% |
| Steven Moffat |
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50 | 25.51% |
| Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) |
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38 | 19.39% |
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Yeah, I'm pretty on board with the general consensus that it was good, if not great. I have a feeling it's going to be one that will grow on me the more I reflect on it, though. I kind of see what they were trying for with the First Doctor being a casual sexist, and Twelve's scandalized reactions to same, but it wasn't comedic enough to be played for laughs very well (though the scenes involving Bill were pretty funny) and it wasn't serious enough to make any real point. Besides, it's not really the First Doctor's era that springs to mind when I think of the show's past troubles with sexism.* Otherwise, I did like Bradley's portrayal even if it wasn't Hartnell's portrayal (and how could it have been). His fear of his future (particularly the skewed version the Testimony showed him) being alleviated by seeing his future self just casually saving someone's life by taking advantage of a historical miracle was wonderfully understated. (And the theme of doing a bit of temporary good in an impossibly, overwhelmingly hostile and evil universe being a potent act is pretty much what I watch this show for.) And Capaldi. Goddamn am I going to miss his Doctor. And in a break from thread consensus (OH NO) I actually liked his admonitions for the next Doctor, and didn't think they were rambling at all. Mark Gatiss was fine. I agree that his role probably pretty much existed so that Mark Gatiss could be in it for what may well be the last time. (Heh, I also briefly thought the German soldier in the trench was played by Steve Pemberton so I was super hoping that Reese Shearsmith would turn up in a cameo too so we could have the full League of Gentlemen reunion. Which, you know, he did play Patrick Troughton in An Adventure In Space and Time...eh, never mind) Loved seeing Bill back, and actually playing a significant role in the thing. Seeing Nardole again too was great. I wish there'd been an appearance or at least an acknowledgement of Missy. My only complaint about Jodie Whittaker as the Doctor is that now I have to wait til "late 2018" to see more of her. ___ *This is not a Steven Moffat dig. This is a Terrance Dicks dig.
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Dec 26, 2017 15:54
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I did like the little "oh, that's why 1 doesn't look exactly like Hartnell" line
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Dec 26, 2017 15:59
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I just noticed on a rewatch that they used the theme from Heaven Sent instead of the normal Twelfth Doctor theme for his regeneration I'm gonna miss Murray Gold Cleretic posted:The way she says it is so good, this is looking like she's the first Doctor who's just loving on board with this new regeneration. No confusion or complaining, she takes in that new face and is just as up for it as the rest of us. she's so excited her fists are balled up too  loved it
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Dec 26, 2017 16:07
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The Unfetered One posted:She-Doc never crashed the TARDIS though. If you watch it again the TARDIS ejected her.. maybe even rejected her? It'd be kind of awesome if they actually did this as a storyline and nod/middle finger to the "Doctors can't have tits" brigade.
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Dec 26, 2017 16:13
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I also loved the little tribute to John Hurt. "Doctor of War" and when they're showing 1 his future, the last sphere you see is John Hurt
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Dec 26, 2017 16:15
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Mameluke posted:I am excited by the prospect of Chibnall throwing a bunch of atypical poo poo at us to pull the show's popular narrative away from "is woman doctor bad or good" so I hope 13 being separated from the TARDIS is a thing for more than just her premiere Doctor is forced to assume another identity as Liz Shaw, ends up forced to work for a patronizing Time Lord for a year. Actually, I'm looking forward to the first time 13 tries to explain that her name is Doctor John Smith.
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Dec 26, 2017 16:21
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twistedmentat posted:I do hope in the future they're not afraid to cast other actors as earlier doctors. I'd love see the 2nd or 3rd show up. 
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Dec 26, 2017 16:25
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I predict that, if Chibnall gets to be showrunner for two doctors, we'll have a Troughton-esque Whittaker, and then 14 will have a flamboyant Pertwee-ish vibe, at least to the same extent that Capaldi shares more traits with 1 than any others shares with 1. And then each one will have one multidoc special with his/her forebear as Capaldi did.
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Dec 26, 2017 16:35
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CobiWann posted:This just in - Doctor Who fans in disagreement, film at eleven. It's at 10! 
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Dec 26, 2017 17:07
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Putting the TARDIS in flight through the time vortex helps ease the Regeneration process. My pet theory is that the regeneration energy gets more devastating the more times it happens, and around 18 it's just going to be a huge atomic blast that levels cities. Narsham posted:Doctor is forced to assume another identity as Liz Shaw, ends up forced to work for a patronizing Time Lord for a year. While I'm pretty sure she'll introduced herself as Jane Smith it will still be really funny if she kept it and didn't understand what the big deal was at first. Jeanne Smith 
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Dec 26, 2017 17:12
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"It's not an evil plan...I don't know what to do when it's not an evil plan." Really enjoyed that. I just wish they didn't have this one off, and now we have to wait again for 13's first real episode.
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Dec 26, 2017 17:30
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thrawn527 posted:"It's not an evil plan...I don't know what to do when it's not an evil plan." I didn't like this, I'm not sure I would want some people copying my memories without my consent.
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Dec 26, 2017 17:31
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socialsecurity posted:I didn't like this, I'm not sure I would want some people copying my memories without my consent. Well it sure is better than the last time Moffat went into, "What happens when we die." Getting captured, put into a weird after life (so long as you're not cremated, where you can apparently feel your body being burned?), made into a Cyberman. ...I really didn't like 12's first season finale. Like, the general concept was loving disturbing.
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Dec 26, 2017 17:39
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socialsecurity posted:I didn't like this, I'm not sure I would want some people copying my memories without my consent. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFe9wiDfb0E
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Dec 26, 2017 17:40
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socialsecurity posted:I didn't like this, I'm not sure I would want some people copying my memories without my consent. well, the episode barely addresses the topic of a copy not accepting their existence via the lens of the Doctor being standoff-ish to Bill, but I highly recommend the game SOMA for a more expansive exploration of said concept.
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Dec 26, 2017 17:40
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thrawn527 posted:Well it sure is better than the last time Moffat went into, "What happens when we die." Getting captured, put into a weird after life (so long as you're not cremated, where you can apparently feel your body being burned?), made into a Cyberman. "Getting stuffed into the Matrix and then a Cyberman by The Master" wasn't on my list of expected afterlifes, that's for sure.
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Dec 26, 2017 17:40
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Chokes McGee posted:While I'm pretty sure she'll introduced herself as Jane Smith it will still be really funny if she kept it and didn't understand what the big deal was at first. Jeanne Smith I feel like they'll have her use an old companion's name if she needs an alias. Hell, even have her use Jamie McCrimmon again. Or whatever Jessica Hynes' character was called in Family Of Blood. Davros1 posted:I wonder if the transition was like the David/Matt and RTD/Moff one in End of Time where the moment the new Doctor arrived, everything was written by the new show runner. The reviewer at the AV Club made what I thought was a good point, that the speech before the regeneration played like Moffat's version of the note in the Oval Office desk, like his advice to Chibnall on how to treat the character.
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Dec 26, 2017 18:01
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We'll probably just have a low effort exchange like this: Person: "Oh, and you're a doctor? Doctor Who?" 13: "Doctor Smith... uh John Smith." [13 makes a "whoops," cringe expression] Person: "Well Dr. Joan Smith, I'm quite pleased to make your acquaintance" [13 makes a "that was close" expression as Person turns his/her back] And unless I'm horribly mistaken (not being entirely in tune with regional accents in the British isles), the Yorkshire accent might help that play out.
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Dec 26, 2017 18:12
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Gaz-L posted:I feel like they'll have her use an old companion's name if she needs an alias. Hell, even have her use Jamie McCrimmon again. Or whatever Jessica Hynes' character was called in Family Of Blood. What's also interesting is that Moffat had originally penciled in the regeneration to happen at the end of The Doctor Falls, with Chibs and Jodie making their debut with the X-Mas special. But because of Broadchurch, there was no way Chibs could do it, so Moffat pushed the regeneration back, because he knew that if Doctor Who skipped this X-Mas, there was a good chance that the show might not get another X-Mas special again.
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Dec 26, 2017 18:21
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How long until we get a real episode with 13 in it?
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Dec 26, 2017 18:26
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CommonShore posted:We'll probably just have a low effort exchange like this: Yeah speaking of is there any way to inoculate myself to that horrible accent in the next year or so, short of stabbing my eardrums out twistedmentat posted:How long until we get a real episode with 13 in it? fall 18 I believe
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Dec 26, 2017 18:30
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Soothing Vapors posted:Yeah speaking of is there any way to inoculate myself to that horrible accent in the next year or so, short of stabbing my eardrums out Imagine I photoshopped Sonic Shades onto Thirteen with the caption "Deal With It." 
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Dec 26, 2017 18:32
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Chokes McGee posted:Imagine I photoshopped Sonic Shades onto Thirteen with the caption "Deal With It." lol, that's fair
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Dec 26, 2017 18:32
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Timby posted:Chibnall wrote Whittaker's scene, yes. I'm watching an interview with The Moff now where he's asked why the TARDIS blows up and says "Because Chris told me to. He's the boss now."
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Dec 26, 2017 18:33
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Soothing Vapors posted:Yeah speaking of is there any way to inoculate myself to that horrible accent in the next year or so, short of stabbing my eardrums out You can stop being wrong, that might help
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Dec 26, 2017 18:38
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Dave Brookshaw posted:I'm watching an interview with The Moff now where he's asked why the TARDIS blows up and says "Because Chris told me to. He's the boss now." I remember from RTD's "The Writer's Tale" where he published a email from Moff asking to make sure Ten is wearing his tie when he regenerates, because he needs it for a gag he's writing. Then Moff added "You going to tell me he saves the universe by blowing up his tie, aren't you?"
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Dec 26, 2017 18:47
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Soothing Vapors posted:Yeah speaking of is there any way to inoculate myself to that horrible accent in the next year or so, short of stabbing my eardrums out Well, if you dislike it that much, the best I can suggest is to repeat to yourself, "At least she's not from Belfast."
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Dec 26, 2017 19:03
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thrawn527 posted:Well it sure is better than the last time Moffat went into, "What happens when we die." Getting captured, put into a weird after life (so long as you're not cremated, where you can apparently feel your body being burned?), made into a Cyberman. The burning thing was a lie. In a bizzare twist, missy lied to people to get what she wantsd
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Dec 26, 2017 19:16
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:The burning thing was a lie. In a bizzare twist, missy lied to people to get what she wantsd The Master.... used deception... in her evil plot?! 
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Dec 26, 2017 19:25
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Pocky In My Pocket posted:The burning thing was a lie. In a bizzare twist, missy lied to people to get what she wantsd Oh, sure, I'm just saying, when it's mentioned, it's really disturbing, and probably shouldn't have been mentioned at all.
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Dec 26, 2017 19:29
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Enjoyable episode, if a bit rambling. They were just kind of stumbling around a glorified quarry for most of the runtime. I guess that's tradition by now. While the whole Christmas plot twist was transparent as hell, it still worked for me. It's also nice that we can now alternate between discussing how Hartnell's Doctor wasn't terribly sexist and how Doctor Who fans are annoyingly sexist on twitter. thrawn527 posted:Oh, sure, I'm just saying, when it's mentioned, it's really disturbing, and probably shouldn't have been mentioned at all. Yeah, both concepts, the one from this episode and the one from series 8, are utterly disturbing. I'd love to see the concepts explored in a future episode, though. They're just kind of casually brushed aside when Moffat writes about them.
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Dec 26, 2017 20:01
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Gaz-L posted:The reviewer at the AV Club made what I thought was a good point, that the speech before the regeneration played like Moffat's version of the note in the Oval Office desk, like his advice to Chibnall on how to treat the character. It was also a nod back to Terrance Dicks' famous description of the Doctor in "The Making Of Doctor Who" all those years ago. "Much has changed about the Doctor over the years, but… he is still impulsive, idealistic, ready to risk his life for a worthy cause. He still hates tyranny and oppression, and anything that is anti-life. He never gives in, and he never gives up, however overwhelming the odds against him. The Doctor believes in good and fights evil. Though often caught up in violent situations, he is a man of peace. He is never cruel or cowardly. In fact, to put it simply, the Doctor is a hero. These days there aren’t so many of them around…"
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Dec 26, 2017 20:18
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Maelstache posted:It was also a nod back to Terrance Dicks' famous description of the Doctor in "The Making Of Doctor Who" all those years ago. That also gets repeated in The Day of the Doctor, when Clara asks what the promise was that the Doctor made when he chose his name. Ten says "Never cruel or cowardly," to which War continues, "Never give up, never give in."
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Dec 26, 2017 20:21
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Maelstache posted:He still hates tyranny and oppression, and anything that is anti-life. Never knew I needed a New Gods/Doctor Who crossover before this.
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Dec 26, 2017 20:43
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Outside of Gatiss, the old control room, and Whitaker that was pretty poo poo. The antagonists were needlessly confrontational, the First Doctor was a sexist punchline and all of the big speeches were felt like retreads. "One more lifetime won't kill anyone...except me" would have been great but it was surrounded by waffle. This is pretty much my take on it too, although I'm so sick of seeing Gatiss that I'm not prepared to include him in the 'good' column, even though he was perfectly fine. I really, really wish the First Doctor wasn't in this. Bradley's version is nothing like Hartnell, and the 'lol grandad is sexist' parts were appalling. The one part with One that I did like was when he explained his motivation for running away to Bill. It was exactly the right mixture of slightly aloof and cold scientific curiosity and tentative moral awakening. Playing up the inherent whiff of superiority in essentially saying 'I wanted to see why you primitives try to be moral when the outside universe is so clearly merciless' would've done a much better job than the bullshit sexism. Other than that, Whitaker smashed it. Just the way her face slowly turned from astonishment to glee was so goddamn Doctor-y, and it reminded me of Smith's first scene (surrounding explosions notwithstanding). Also, I didn't realise she was keeping her Yorkshire accent. For purely personal reasons, that set my heart aflutter. Anyway, what's up DW thread, been awhile. Here are my other general thoughts - the new 10th Doctor adventures reminded me how much I hate Tennant's Doctor, and Big Finish in general has become very formulaic and unadventurous. Which is a shame. Soothing Vapors posted:Yeah speaking of is there any way to inoculate myself to that horrible accent in the next year or so, short of stabbing my eardrums out Ah get the gently caress out 
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Dec 26, 2017 21:00
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I remember Troughton's Doctor being sexist at the beginning. "Go make the tea, Polly"
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Dec 26, 2017 21:01
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Davros1 posted:I remember Troughton's Doctor being sexist at the beginning. "Go make the tea, Polly" The First Doctor did that as well, but only when Richard Hurndall was playing him. ("I sometimes used to get a bit tetchy; fortunately one mellows with age.")
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Dec 26, 2017 21:12
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Davros1 posted:I remember Troughton's Doctor being sexist at the beginning. "Go make the tea, Polly" I'm sure we got a 'Polly, put the kettle on' gag at some point.
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Dec 26, 2017 21:15
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Soothing Vapors posted:Yeah speaking of is there any way to inoculate myself to that horrible accent in the next year or so, short of stabbing my eardrums out There's a decent TV series set there called All Creatures Great and Small that's probably worth watching. It's all on YouTube.
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I haven't regularly watched Doctor Who since Series 8's end, how has the show held up since then and how was this episode?
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