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Best producer/showrunner? This poll is closed. |
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| Verity Lambert |
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30 | 15.31% |
| Barry Letts |
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7 | 3.57% |
| Phillip Hinchcliffe |
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32 | 16.33% |
| John Nathan-Turner |
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6 | 3.06% |
| Russell T Davies |
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33 | 16.84% |
| Steven Moffat |
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50 | 25.51% |
| Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) |
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38 | 19.39% |
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How much of The Adventures of Tintin was Moffat and how much was Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish?
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Dec 30, 2017 17:41
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corn in the bible posted:Moffat has literally never given a good payoff to his Clever Hints. Like, not even once, in his entire career. The s5 finale paying off the weirdly out of place scene in one of the angels episodes was good but that’s gotta be the only one.
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Dec 30, 2017 17:44
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corn in the bible posted:Moffat has literally never given a good payoff to his Clever Hints. Like, not even once, in his entire career. Don't you have a kiss for Mommy?  That was such a dumb scene. Good idea for the reveal, poorly executed.
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Dec 30, 2017 18:12
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BioEnchanted posted:Don't you have a kiss for Mommy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8ghvVizwXc ?
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Dec 30, 2017 18:20
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Wheat Loaf posted:How much of The Adventures of Tintin was Moffat and how much was Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish? Not only was Moffat only the third guy to those two, Stephen Speilberg was the director who could and would excise poo poo from a script if he wanted. So you know, that's about the role Moffat needs. Sandwiched between two even better writers and supervised by a level headed person
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Dec 30, 2017 18:47
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Moffat was the one chosen by Jackson and Spielberg to write the script. It was only when he accepted the Who role that he left.
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Dec 30, 2017 18:54
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Davros1 posted:Moffat was the one chosen by Jackson and Spielberg to write the script. It was only when he accepted the Who role that he left. That doesn't detract from what I said. Moffat needs supervision and other people helping him. When he's on his own he COULD do some good things, or he could do poo poo like half of his run.
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Dec 30, 2017 18:55
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corn in the bible posted:Moffat has literally never given a good payoff to his Clever Hints. Like, not even once, in his entire career. The problem is his “twists” is that they are either telegraphed so hard from the get-go that they’re underwhelming once they do happen, or they’re introduced as a catchphrase out of the blue and become so comically stupid before the nonsensical payoff happens. Like, every time someone in Series 9 mentioned the word “hybrid”, they might as well have turned to the camera with a “dun dun dun!” musical cue.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:00
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Burkion posted:Not only was Moffat only the third guy to those two, Stephen Speilberg was the director who could and would excise poo poo from a script if he wanted. I watched it yesterday and there was a lot of dialogue that felt very Moffat. A lot of the speeches Captain Haddock makes feel a lot like stuff he wrote for Capaldi.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:09
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HD DAD posted:Like, every time someone in Series 9 mentioned the word “hybrid”, they might as well have turned to the camera with a “dun dun dun!” musical cue. That was necessary though, because how could he have the twist that "the hybrid" isn't actually important if people don't understand that "the hybrid" is important? The problem there was that noone gave a poo poo
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Dec 30, 2017 19:20
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I remember the days when we all loved Moffat
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Dec 30, 2017 19:24
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I was referencing the final twist in Moffat-written series Jeckyll - the twist was that the villain was his mother all along - she also had a Jeckyll/Hyde syndrome. The american redhead that ran the evil organisation was her Hyde.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:27
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The Unfetered One posted:I remember the days when we all loved Moffat We're in the downswing of the cycle. Give it a year or so and we'll all be fondly reminiscing about him
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Dec 30, 2017 19:40
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The Unfetered One posted:I remember the days when we all loved Moffat What, 2007?
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Dec 30, 2017 19:41
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Remember when he had an affectionate nickname? Grand Moff something?
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Dec 30, 2017 19:51
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Rhyno posted:Remember when he had an affectionate nickname? Grand Moff something? That was entirely down to Trin
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Dec 30, 2017 19:58
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MrL_JaKiri posted:What, 2007? I’m pretty sure 2011 was the last time he was universally acclaimed on SA.
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Dec 30, 2017 19:58
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Edward Mass posted:I’m pretty sure 2011 was the last time he was universally acclaimed on SA. Not by me [edit] I've liked 2, maybe 3 episodes he's penned since Blink
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Dec 30, 2017 20:41
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Rhyno posted:Remember when he had an affectionate nickname? Grand Moff something? He used to bid us dark greetings. 
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Dec 30, 2017 21:09
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I liked Moffat until Pandorica/The Big Bang. I’ve never understood the acclaim for those episodes.
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Dec 30, 2017 21:13
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look around furtively, and tenses, ready to dive for cover (whispering) i still like moffat
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Dec 30, 2017 22:04
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Smiths first series and Capaldi’s last were the only ones where Moffat’s series arcs were good and satisfying. The rest of the time they really dragged the rest of the show down. Clara’s character was pretty much ruined by the mystery plots. And I still find River Song very irritating, and he just could not let her go. Amy and Rory hung around for too long too, and the resolution of the “where’s Amy’s baby” plot is incredibly awful. And the Doctors Victorian pals were driven into the ground. Having said all that he still wrote a good amount of really good episodes. The 50th anniversary episode is still wonderful. Just a shame most of his output as showrunner was tedious poo poo I could never bring myself to care about like the hybrid or the impossible girl or the silence or River or the question or whatever. The reason I’m apprehensive about Moffat leaving despite my many problems with him, is that I’m really not confident about the new showrunner. Broadchurch series 1 was very good (haven’t watched the rest), and Whittaker was great in it, but it’s so different from Doctor Who it’s hard to compare. And then you look at Chibnalls actual Doctor Who episodes, it’s not good. Better than Moffat at his worst, but nowhere near as good as Moffat at his best.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:07
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docbeard posted:look around furtively, and tenses, ready to dive for cover So do I, grumps gonna grump, dont worry about it.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:09
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Burkion posted:Moffat needs supervision and other people helping him. When he's on his own he COULD do some good things, or he could do poo poo like half of his run. I think I agree with this. I wouldn't put every single problem his run had down to him being overwhelmed with showrunning, but I think a significant number of them can be laid at that particular doorstep.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:15
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docbeard posted:I think I agree with this. I wouldn't put every single problem his run had down to him being overwhelmed with showrunning, but I think a significant number of them can be laid at that particular doorstep. Being showrunner for 8 years and only managing 6 series being the most obvious one.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:26
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docbeard posted:look around furtively, and tenses, ready to dive for cover Me too, the show was far better and more consistent under him than RTD (though RTD's dizzying highs and disastrous lows had their own wonderful charm) and it is sad to see him go - it did feel like it was definitely time for him to move on though, and even if Chibnall's own contributions to Who have been fairly ho-hum to date, he's done so well elsewhere that I'm really hopeful it was only because he was trying to ape RTD and Moffat's style and NOW he'll finally be able to produce quality. He certainly started well with,"Aw, brilliant!"
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Dec 30, 2017 22:28
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remusclaw posted:The last lesson Doctor Who should ever teach is that humans are too fragile to do good and that you should leave the heroism to the immortal space wizards. I think there's a difference between "don't try to do good" and "don't be completely reckless with your life while doing good because you're not an immortal space wizard"
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Dec 30, 2017 22:31
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I enjoyed this Christmas episode, it's also one of those ones where I've instantly forgotten the overall plot. I will say, if I was the Doctor, it would get old having an epic William Shatner-esque Shakespearean death thing every few years or so (in TV time). Would've been funny if for a change of pace, Capaldi's Doctor was just casual about the whole thing instead.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:35
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Remember in 2009 when we were all up in arms about only getting 4 specials and not a full series? Ah, the memories.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:51
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docbeard posted:look around furtively, and tenses, ready to dive for cover Jerusalem posted:Me too, the show was far better and more consistent under him than RTD  Burkion posted:Here's the thing with Clara. I disagree with most of this but I will never deny that S7 Clara was a nightmare. S8-9 Clara was tops.
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Dec 30, 2017 22:52
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docbeard posted:look around furtively, and tenses, ready to dive for cover https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvK6KsLkPUs
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Dec 30, 2017 22:54
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Soothing Vapors posted:f... friends S7 Clara is also good, just not as good as she could have been. Part of that was by design but using the Doctor's myopia as a lens for the program ultimately did Clara a disservice.
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Dec 30, 2017 23:00
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Clara is best.
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Dec 30, 2017 23:07
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So this: had a follow up: https://twitter.com/BriggsNicholas/status/946804943050199045 https://twitter.com/ManningOfficial/status/946844487241801728 https://twitter.com/ManningOfficial/status/946832019882774528
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Dec 30, 2017 23:07
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marktheando posted:Being showrunner for 8 years and only managing 6 series being the most obvious one. "I've been denied two years of Who!" was a frequent refrain of Ian Levine, as I remember. On that basis I'm happy to have forfeited two dozen episodes just to annoy him.
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Dec 30, 2017 23:14
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Fil5000 posted:"I've been denied two years of Who!" was a frequent refrain of Ian Levine, as I remember. On that basis I'm happy to have forfeited two dozen episodes just to annoy him. There was the one time he cried that Moffat had lied to him when he told him one year we were going to get 13 eps and X-mas ep, and it turned out to be 12 eps and a X-Mas ep.
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Dec 30, 2017 23:35
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docbeard posted:look around furtively, and tenses, ready to dive for cover He lost me with Let's Kill Hitler, then won me back a bit with the 50th, then I was up and down for a bit and was won back properly with Last Christmas. Some other stuff improved on a rewatch as well. Who knows, maybe this Christmas special will too
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Dec 31, 2017 00:10
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I forgot about Let's Kill Hitler I think my brain tries to protect me from how bad Who is most of the time
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Dec 31, 2017 00:18
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I super love Let's Kill Hitler and don't understand why you all hate it. I suspect part of this is that my first exposure to Who was the 50th and I got to marathon everything leading up to it after, so I didn't wait months and speculate endlessly and build up expectations. I got to just plow on through.
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Dec 31, 2017 00:27
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Hi again everyone! I just finished with Capaldi's run. I'm taking a look now at the OP's list of classic Doctor serials and will check them out. On the whole, I'm probably not as super down on Moffat as the lot of you. He reads better when you binge i think. His little mystery boxes get dealt with quickly and seem less random. That said, he falls into the same patterns and they get tedious. Capaldi was able to elevate a lot of drek into watchability. He's definitely my favorite modern doctor (Tennant is a close second, and I'm very upset about only having one series of Eccleston. I never fully warmed up to Smith, even though he got Moffat's best efforts - series 5 was really good)
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