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Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

rare Magic card l00k posted:

what is a josh allen and what strengths does he have

Tall, white, can throw a ball over them mountains

That's about it, really

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Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


YOLOsubmarine posted:

Josh Allen is the worst one of the group now, by far, so why wouldn’t he be the worst one of the group in the NFL.

Simple:

Is he the QB the Browns draft?

If Yes, then he will be
If No, then he will end up being one of the best

If you want a recent example of this, they had a chance to get Wentz last year and had a chance to get Watson this year. They instead got two QBs who still had a worse 2017 than both, despite not tearing their ACLs

They will always make the worst decision, even if it doesn't appear that way at that time. See picking Hue as a HC, which was originally praised

YOLOsubmarine
Oct 19, 2004

When asked which Pokemon he evolved into, Kamara pauses.

"Motherfucking, what's that big dragon shit? That orange motherfucker. Charizard."

Chris James 2 posted:

Simple:

Is he the QB the Browns draft?

If Yes, then he will be
If No, then he will end up being one of the best

If you want a recent example of this, they had a chance to get Wentz last year and had a chance to get Watson this year. They instead got two QBs who still had a worse 2017 than both, despite not tearing their ACLs

They will always make the worst decision, even if it doesn't appear that way at that time. See picking Hue as a HC, which was originally praised

Josh Allen will be bad no matter where he goes. Like, the Browns didn’t draft Hackenberg either and he’s still bad.

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
From what little I saw of Allen on the sideline in the Idaho Potato Bowl he seems like an entitled douchebag so I hope he busts hard

AAAAA! Real Muenster
Jul 12, 2008

My QB is also named Bort

Here is the draft thread:
https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?noseen=0&threadid=3836983&perpage=40&pagenumber=10#pti17

Ehud
Sep 19, 2003

football.

https://twitter.com/joearrigo/status/946977929182945285

Mega64
May 23, 2008

I took the octopath less travelered,

And it made one-eighth the difference.
I could've sworn I just heard screams of joy all the way from Wisconsin...

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
Congrats Packers fans

Grittybeard
Mar 29, 2010

Bad, very bad!
On to McCarthy when this doesn't fix anything.

Kurgarra Queen
Jun 11, 2008

GIVE ME MORE
SUPER BOWL
WINS

This seems overdue. However, it's hard to imagine McCarthy bringing in some one much different.

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin
when Vic Fangio coaches up that packers defense to a top 5 unit we're all gonna be in trouble

sean10mm
Jun 29, 2005

It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, MAD-2R World

piss tape israel posted:

Congrats Packers fans

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


piss tape israel posted:

Congrats Packers fans

GaussianCopula
Jun 5, 2011
Jews fleeing the Holocaust are not in any way comparable to North Africans, who don't flee genocide but want to enjoy the social welfare systems of Northern Europe.
Doesn't matter for the AFC teams, since the 49ers will be the NFC Super Bowl team for the next decade +

Timby
Dec 23, 2006

Your mother!

mastershakeman posted:

when Vic Fangio coaches up that packers defense to a top 5 unit we're all gonna be in trouble

You joke, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. According to pretty much every beat reporter, Fangio has made it clear that he's going somewhere else if he doesn't get the HC job in Chicago, and Pace is almost certainly going to go with an offensive-minded coach to nurture Trubisky.

Relentlessboredomm
Oct 15, 2006

It's Sic Semper Tyrannis. You said, "Ever faithful terrible lizard."

They either couldn't get Gruden as planned or they're still going to shitcan him after this weekend

mastershakeman
Oct 28, 2008

by vyelkin

Timby posted:

You joke, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. According to pretty much every beat reporter, Fangio has made it clear that he's going somewhere else if he doesn't get the HC job in Chicago, and Pace is almost certainly going to go with an offensive-minded coach to nurture Trubisky.

I'm not joking and fully expect Fangio to go there

iospace
Jan 19, 2038



:hellyeah:

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.


Good news for Packers fans, as superstar DC Chuck Pagano will be available on Monday

Chris James 2
Aug 9, 2012


https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/947157631512260609

Gatts
Jan 2, 2001

Goodnight Moon

Nap Ghost
Am I allowed to take NFL Draft Prospects pictures and do my own draft assessment like an NFL scout/executive?

hifi
Jul 25, 2012

Gatts posted:

Am I allowed to take NFL Draft Prospects pictures and do my own draft assessment like an NFL scout/executive?

thats the best part of the thread. i assume nfl executives draw dicks and mustaches on the kids too

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Lance of Llanwyln posted:

On the other hand, Maccagan literally spent a 2nd-round pick on Christian Hackenburg, a quarterback so bad they'd rather start Bryce Petty.

I love that the Jets are trying to erase Hack from everyone's collective memory like Stalin used to do with photos featuring out of favor Party members.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




mastershakeman posted:

I'm not joking and fully expect Fangio to go there

I would love this, but unfortunately Fat Mike will probably want Mike Nolan.

FUCKFACE MORON
Apr 23, 2010

by sebmojo
What's wrong with Mike Nolan?

OperaMouse
Oct 30, 2010

In typical Packer fashion, it will be an internal upgrade to replace Capers. Can't have a defensive minded ex-HC, or McCarthy will feel the heat soon. Rodgers is the defacto OC anyhow.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


piss tape israel posted:

What's wrong with Mike Nolan?

Aside from his career being on a downwards trajectory (HC -> DC -> LBs), his last outing as DC with the Falcons was abysmal: https://www.pro-football-reference.com/coaches/NolaMi0.htm

His defense in San Francisco while he was head coach was also really terrible. The last time he put together a good defense was the '03/'04 Ravens defense.

I'm happy to see Capers gone and think literally any coach will be able to get a spark out of the defense (however brief) but Nolan is probably a lateral move overall and definitely not a step forward in trying to get fresh blood and fresh thinking into the team.

Flikken
Oct 23, 2009

10,363 snaps and not a playoff win to show for it

OperaMouse posted:

In typical Packer fashion, it will be an internal upgrade to replace Capers. Can't have a defensive minded ex-HC, or McCarthy will feel the heat soon. Rodgers is the defacto OC anyhow.

Ray Horton isn't busy.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN
https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/947209153662959616

lmao they're somehow gonna downgrade from Pagano

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







Benne posted:

https://twitter.com/MikeSilver/status/947209153662959616

lmao they're somehow gonna downgrade from Pagano

Stay down, Andrew.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


what in the world has cable done to merit HC consideration

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747
Maybe he's better as a hc than line coach

ShakeZula
Jun 17, 2003

Nobody move and nobody gets hurt.

SKULL.GIF posted:

what in the world has cable done to merit HC consideration

Apparently Cable and Toub were two of the guys Ballard has been talking about as HC for years now, so maybe Ballard just thinks he's a good candidate.

Obviously Seattle's OL has been a tire fire, but how was Cable during his brief run as Raiders HC? I seem to recall goons at the time thinking he was unjustly fired.

FizFashizzle
Mar 30, 2005







He beat up one of his assistants if that does anything for you.

Benne
Sep 2, 2011

STOP DOING HEROIN

ShakeZula posted:

Apparently Cable and Toub were two of the guys Ballard has been talking about as HC for years now, so maybe Ballard just thinks he's a good candidate.

Obviously Seattle's OL has been a tire fire, but how was Cable during his brief run as Raiders HC? I seem to recall goons at the time thinking he was unjustly fired.

He was really bad and also sucker-punched an assistant in his office. Irsay will love him.

Rod Hoofhearted
Jun 18, 2000

I am a ghost




OperaMouse posted:

In typical Packer fashion, it will be an internal upgrade to replace Capers. Can't have a defensive minded ex-HC, or McCarthy will feel the heat soon. Rodgers is the defacto OC anyhow.

McCarthy was Nolan's OC on the 49ers and he genuinely seems to like/feel comfortable with Nolan. Nolan's name has been floated as a possible DC in the past (before Capers was hired? I don't remember).

I don't think Nolan's a very good DC, his only real success being with a stacked Ravens defense (see also: Ryan, Rex; Pagano, Chuck.)

OTOH - my argument is that the Packers only need an average defense to be legit Super Bowl contenders. My feeling is almost anyone they hire would be an upgrade (even Nolan), whereas if they actually managed to hire someone worse than Capers, that guy would be bounced out within a year.

Capers's schemes seem to be an active detriment to the Green Bay Packers defense, and not just this year, but really for over 5 years now. He built up a lot of goodwill his first two years (including a Super Bowl win), but we're now at the "definition of insanity" level if GB keeps him.

I would take Chuck Pagano or Mike Nolan over Capers right now. But I'd really prefer Fangio and if he's going to be available anyway, to me it's a no brainer (assuming he's willing to move to an even more frigid hellscape than Chicago given the weather we're having right now.)

Aaaaaaarrrrrggggg
Oct 4, 2004

ha, ha, ha, og me ekam

:woop:

Durandal1707
Oct 11, 2013
if the Pack's smart they'll go with Fangio. He's a great DC. They'll probably go with Nolan though since McCarthy and him have history with each other.

He's uninspiring but the Packers' defense has sucked for so long that even average would be an improvement for them.

Impossibly Perfect Sphere
Nov 6, 2002

They wasted Luanne on Lucky!

She could of have been so much more but the writers just didn't care!

Benne posted:

He was really bad and also sucker-punched an assistant in his office. Irsay will love him.

Aside from being a mediocre coach and punching assistants he also has had allegations of domestic made by multiple women. So he's the complete package!

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SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


If Fat Mike hires Nolan (or Pagano, really) then it's time to start seriously thinking about firing McCarthy within a couple years. That's a move that has zero excitement or potential or anything for the future -- it is cowardly and hyperconservative, it's McCarthy's worst qualities all rolled up in one hiring decision.

The Packers badly need fresh blood in the coaching ranks to help shake everyone awake -- Nolan isn't that.

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