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OMGVBFLOL posted:oh goddamnit You're too slow! 
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Jan 5, 2018 04:21
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CCKeane posted:I don't buy OMGs post as legitimate. do you think tmm and omg are both scum together
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Jan 5, 2018 04:23
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also ##vote quid
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Jan 5, 2018 04:23
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That is pretty damning on Quid  I'm going to hold off on changing my vote for now, but am happy to change to Quid. Let's see where it goes from here. Truth Quark posted:I am actually trying to give you the benefit of the doubt now if you actually are new, because I made hedgy comments all the time when I was new to this game (and still am new compared to a lot of the players in this game), but I still would like the original question I posed answered. It was in response to this post: That all seems blatantly obvious to me? None of it requires any specific mafia knowledge to come to the conclusion, though I did read a bunch of the SA mafia wiki before the game actually started to make sure I knew what was going on. Points 1 and 2 are talking about how she is posting, i.e. that interruptions and forgetfulness happen all the time, especially when you are phone posting during a very busy time of year (the holidays). Point three doesn't require any deep strategy either: 1. Tobbs had caused a lightning rod over saying what he could do ---Take away: Revealing your ability makes people think you are scum- a bad thing for scum to do 2. She revealed her role in his defense anyways ---Take away: Scum would never have done this because of how much fire Tobbs drew. It was going to get her executed for doing what Tobbs did, but even more because her ability actually does things. It just hurts scum by getting her killed by votes, which it did ---Second: if we assume she is town, then her ability would be key on the battlefield. That makes her a nightkill target for scum and a battlefield target for enemy soldiers. It would end up getting her killed this way, too. But doing this in error made way more sense than doing so with Bif et al talking to her and saying not to. Thus, bad town play made sense but scum play did not. I'm not sure how my thought process here was hard to follow at all or relied upon deep mafia knowledge? Unless you actually meant this post? Truth Quark posted:Do you have any reason for thinking PMush is town other than your analysis of why outing abilities is actually pro-town? Because people have explained why that isn't the case in detail (with multiple explanation), so that argument is pretty played out at this point. Because it seems the above post by me addresses all of that except "why outing abilities is pro-town." I didn't make that particular claim. I said multiple times that it was a stupid move on Tobbs and PMush's part. I did claim, however, that eventually we would need to know what everyone could do so we could work better on the battlefield as a team, and see where the difference between posted abilities and actual results lay.
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Jan 5, 2018 04:27
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...yeah, this is very compelling I'll still read both Quid and Kash tomorrow - it's late here atm - but given the case already made against Quid I think that'll end up being more or less a formality still have plenty of time so I'm going to chill on voting until tomorrow sometime probably ##unvote for now re: sal: SalTheBard posted:My biggest mistake was not re-reading my own posts to make sure that my message was consistent. i think this crossed the line into me being unable to believe that a scum player would ever actually post this in the thread
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Jan 5, 2018 04:28
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I don't actually know how I feel about Quid overall but yeah okay ##vote Quid explain right now convenient, too, that bread isn't around to confirm/reject the claim
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Jan 5, 2018 04:29
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Also, I posted because I was totally correct though 
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Jan 5, 2018 04:29
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##unvote because a bunch of nerds are about to come in here and drop a vote without thinking or looking at votefinder.
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Jan 5, 2018 04:31
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Gamerofthegame posted:do you think tmm and omg are both scum together No, I think it's an attempt by a scumbuddy to take an opportunity to appear townie by bussing a scumbuddy by mirroring a town argument and indicating they just got beat. TMMs points are Rock solid. I don't think he is scum. I do think he is right on Quid.
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rereading my other scum pick from yesterday:OMGVBFLOL posted:Gamerofthegame: i didn't have a read either way on them until this post, now leaning scum: This post of gamer's still seems scummy to me. Chaining if-thens is never a good look, but it isn't damning. However, after re-reading the rest of Gamer, it's mitigated that feeling, however. Pretty much everything they've been saying today makes sense. Rereading gamer did bring me to this exchange, however: Gamerofthegame posted:
and following that rabbit hole led me to this post: Slaan posted:I'm definitely feeling the Gamer scum read other have been making, and I voted for him early on D1, so I'm going to go ahead and ##vote Gamer. I'm a bit more iffy on him today because I can see some decent points that he is making, but overall it just feels wrong. So far, my reads have been gut level "does this feel natural" or not. Gamer doesn't pass that for me. Which really ingenuine in light of Gamer's activity so far today. It feels like Slaan's trying to mitigate the effect Gamer's effort will have on others' opinion of Gamer. Maybe it's just Slaan's bad gutfeel on Gamer carrying over into today, but I don't know how anyone looks at Gamer's posting today and doesn't find it genuine, especially at a gut level. Leaning scum on Slaan.
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CCKeane posted:No, I think it's an attempt by a scumbuddy to take an opportunity to appear townie by bussing a scumbuddy by mirroring a town argument and indicating they just got beat. I was composing that post in a side tab as I reread quid, after getting caught up with everything that'd happened since battle started. I caught quid's inconsistency when I got to the end of the reread, at their battle claim.
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I am back to read and catch up now. Don't like that Quid thing at all but don't want to dogpile a vote without giving Quid a chance to explain and tbh given how yesterday's thing worked out with PMush I also don't want to lock myself into one option when there's lots of other people to read/question too. Consider my vote to be on Quid for now though. KB, you asked earlier today about healing- I have a very weak day heal if needed. Going back to read now.
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TMMadman posted:Holy poo poo, I just realized something else about Quid. Well, that's what I get for trying to finish all three iso reads before looking for new posts. I didn't even see that, either, I was going to complain about this: Quidthulhu posted:Actually I'm reading more and Tobbs does summarize really clearly. I'm just flat out wrong about everything I've posted today, my god. For Kash... not being able to discuss battle actions is somewhat hamstringing here. Otherwise, I only have one real complaint: Kashuno posted:*braces for cries that only scum use shrug emote* Kashuno posted:*braces for “uh he used kill instead of lynch”* Kashuno posted:*braces for "you are connecting unflipped players"*  More seriously, it does worry me a bit that Kash is trying to set up to go after TQ after Quid flips, but that scenario wouldn't actually make Quid not scum. So we start there, and don't make assumptions about what comes next.FL seems solid enough to me, but then I think I'm a bit biased there; he's basically doing a better job of what I'm trying to do. You can count this as a virtual vote on Quid to avoid an accidental dunk. Just from people stating that, this is, what,
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Max Peck posted:Well, that's what I get for trying to finish all three iso reads before looking for new posts.
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Hi I haven't forgotten about mis amigos, I have been extremely busy doing many important things of consequence. King Burgundy posted:Your answer to wanting to be in battle, was no. What the heart yearns for and what the char sheet says are often at odds  King Burgundy posted:If we have other healers, I'm fine with exposing you now. I've decided I need to know what I'm working with. Let me know. With all due respect, I fuckin disagree with this course of action jefe Murmur Twin posted:I'm going to sleep but will ##vote Gamer for now. Read above for your first part For the second: I specifically used cooling because that's exactly what it was. I don't specifically think he's town but pmush flipping town and gamer not even trying to grab some cred took some wind out of my sails. Now that I have caught I have to say that the quid-tmm poo poo is p damning and I would like to hear from quid I'll be around for an hour or two before bed Hmu if youre feeling solita 
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CCKeane posted:No, I think it's an attempt by a scumbuddy to take an opportunity to appear townie by bussing a scumbuddy by mirroring a town argument and indicating they just got beat. that is aggressively fast typing tho
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Jan 5, 2018 05:21
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Also keane not answering TMMs requests is probably the funniest poo poo in this game for me rn
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Flying Leatherman posted:re: sal: I just have to comment on this since I am who I am. This made me laugh out loud, because it's not something that should ever be said, but by the same token, I do it all the time as town. Constantly reread myself to remind me where my head was at before moving forward again when I come back to the thread. My memory is NOT good.
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Moatillata posted:Also keane not answering TMMs requests is probably the funniest poo poo in this game for me rn it's technically not in this game but no, the funniest thing thus far is bifauxnen turbolynching the texan person she chose as an advisor
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Jan 5, 2018 05:31
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GeneX posted:it's technically not in this game but no, the funniest thing thus far is bifauxnen turbolynching the texan person she chose as an advisor Bif at battles outset  Bif after battle 
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Jan 5, 2018 05:36
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Moatillata posted:With all due respect, I fuckin disagree with this course of action jefe Not an opinion that is at all useful at this point. 
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Jan 5, 2018 05:37
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King Burgundy posted:Not an opinion that is at all useful at this point. Yeah I know. I just feel like it's painting a huge target on everyone's back Especially since if people just let their damage be known it could be helped organically
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Mafia Edit: that Quid is set to be strung up does not excuse you from posting reads, Hats I also want Hal to say almost literally anything about who he thinks is scum, because his posts thus far pretty much condense into "I think PMush is scum" and "I think gamer is town, but I might be wrong" with a few responses to AA and Keane sprinkled in Same goes for IllegallySober none of you get to add quid to your lists btw
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Jan 5, 2018 05:39
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GeneX posted:Mafia Edit: I'm working on it!
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Just finished a reread of MMT and felt like most of her cases were based on pretty reasonable points even if I didn't always 100% agree with every point. One thing that did jump out to me was her casing of Chaoslord last night, which seemed to be a sudden switch of focus when she'd been pushing Gamer pretty hard and now she's returned to Gamer today. I'm going to mull that over while I take a look at AA next.
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Moatillata posted:Yeah I know. I just feel like it's painting a huge target on everyone's back Yes and no. There are things I can't say obviously. But the most obvious to thread reason that it can't happen organically is you end up with a bunch of people being overhealed and some people not getting healed at all. Like for example, when not coordinating against targets in battle and most people take no damage and one person is super overkilled.
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 Votecount for Day 2   Quidthulhu (6): Kashuno, TMMadman, The Lord of Hats, Truth Quark, OMGVBFLOL, Gamerofthegame, GeneX, Gamerofthegame (5): Anomalous Amalgam, Your Personal Muse, Slaan, Murmur Twin, SalTheBard Max Peck (1): Tobbs Gnawed Murmur Twin (1): chaoslord TMMadman (0): CCKeane, The Lord of Hats (0): GeneX, Tobbs Gnawed, chaoslord (0): Murmur Twin, SalTheBard (0): Flying Leatherman, Gamerofthegame, Slaan (0): Gamerofthegame, Not Voting (10): CCKeane, Flying Leatherman, Hal Incandenza, IllegallySober, King Burgundy, Max Peck, Moatillata, Monathin, Quidthulhu, Truth Quark  With 23 people still alive, it takes 12 votes to execute. The current deadline is January 06th, 2018 at 8 p.m. EST -- that's in about 1 day, 20 hours.  Rules updated to v5.2! Changelog: v5.1 (03-JAN-2018): Updated Appendix C - clarified that "Ailments" refer to negative status effects. Thanks again, lonegoat! v5.2 (03-JAN-2018): Updated Appendix C - clarified that the DEMORALIZED ailment itself cannot be healed through conventional means, but has no effect on other healing abilities used. Also clarified the WOUNDED/MAIMED ailments are only healed by healing HP. jesus christ i can't write rules apparently.
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Ok folks, this could still change later, but consider this the healing assignments for now if you want to enter them into your sheets. AA and Gene and IS heal Monathin Sal heal Kash Slaan heal Tobbs FL heal TMM I may also do some other stuff in the background to help out. Please acknowledge this when you see it so I know it's handled.
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:Can people actually let their damage be known? Only in the ways they have so far. Using the example Pod posted in the rules OP and saying things like average, very poor, etc.
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Oh wait, are you asking if people can talk about what they can do in battle damage wise? Please don't do that currently.
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Jan 5, 2018 05:53
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If you've never been in a battle I don't want the enemy to know what to expect.
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King Burgundy posted:Ok folks, this could still change later, but consider this the healing assignments for now if you want to enter them into your sheets. Did and done, daddio
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I just want to say that having a cat who keeps putting himself between me and the screen does not make Mafia any easier.
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Kid was away for far longer than he plan, best laid plans... Kid's glad to see Madman making such a swift case. Kid hadn't gotten around to figuring out his opinions on Quid before justice was realized. Figures he misses something like that. Kid's put a couple small cases together in the meanwhile, but is sitting on them for the night. Plans to make them known sometime tomorrow, best not to clutter the camp with a such a clear, smoking gun. Still feeling pretty strong on Gamer or Keane.
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Kid wouldn't mind going into battle tonight if he's topped off, but the demoralize is gonna hurt him a smidge. Still, it's the Boss' call.
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Moving on to AA. There's more here that I question than MMT.Anomalous Amalgam posted:I'm not a day 1 player. I'm a lower tier character that shines best mid to late game but not late game. Don't let it fall on me to save the day, and I'm not motivated enough to get out of bed for war at the beginning. Let me know when the blood starts flowing. Feels bad, like a pre-emptive excuse for not being involved with the game early on (which is probably ironic that I'm the one making this point, given I wasn't that active D1 either, but takes one to know one, I guess). Anomalous Amalgam posted:I'm suss of GotG. Seems like flooding content to appear town. I need to drink more. Get less subjective eyes. Anomalous Amalgam posted:GotG ehhhh maybe town, I feel less bad about them. Two AA posts later: Anomalous Amalgam posted:
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King Burgundy posted:Ok folks, this could still change later, but consider this the healing assignments for now if you want to enter them into your sheets. Done and done
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King Burgundy posted:Ok folks, this could still change later, but consider this the healing assignments for now if you want to enter them into your sheets. Acknowledged and done.
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