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The best approach is probably a mixture of "Minimum Effort" and some other plan. Run some recon beforehand, see if there's anyone running SAMs or fighters or anti-aircraft in the area. If so, give 'em the business. If not, gently caress it just show up with a bomb truck and a two-plane CAP, maybe 2-4 more in reserve. No need to overplan and overcommit if we don't really have to.
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Weren't we supposed to hit the cows specifically with napalm?
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Whatever we bomb the cows with, we need to do it by overflying the cows at maximum speed and minimum altitude.  I mean, we aren't getting paid to 'bomb some cows', we're getting paid to make a show out of bombing some cows.
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Jan 12, 2018 10:59
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Whatever we bomb the cows with, we need to do it by overflying the cows at maximum speed and minimum altitude. I... don't think we're getting paid at all for the cows.
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Jan 12, 2018 11:15
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Tevery Best posted:Weren't we supposed to hit the cows specifically with napalm? The Top Soar guys are the one dropping snake and nape. But they're probably going to miss...so Mr. Willmott and the other producers want some cows to get blown up so they can get B-roll of the "event" they can edit in later. Since we can actually hit things, we'd being called in to do that.
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Jan 12, 2018 12:35
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So just fling a single SDB in the direction of the cows and problem solved?
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As long as it hits said cow. (Yes, there will be cows on our tactical display.)
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OPERATION CANNON FODDER Keep it simple. Bisons keep the garbage away, the Mirage finds things, the AMX blows said things up and the Gripen Gripens about.  Aircraft JOOLS (CAP) Orange: 4x MiG-21 Bison w. AA-12s Blue: 4x MiG-21 Bisons w. AA-12s STOO (Strike) AMX Ghibli w. Mavericks SENSIBLE (Recon, budget AWACS) Gripen NG w. Medium Intercept (4x Meteors), Mirage w. ASTAC Pod Rules - All radars on, all the time. - Bisons RTB when out of AAMs. - Gripen may only fire Meteors when all Bisons are out of BVR missiles. - AMX and Bisons may strafe the truck and/or cows (max. two passes for the cows) if necessary. Execution Launch from Banja Luka and follow the grey route towards Zagreb. Launch order: Mirage, Jools, Gripen, Stoo. All aircraft except the Mirage form up east of Zagreb, near the cows. The Mirage makes a recon pass over Zagreb. Mirage + Gripen orbit Dugo Selo and remain there until all other aircraft are RTB. Jools moves to CAP zones blue and orange and remains there while Stoo strikes the target. Stoo engages the truck with Mavericks, one missile at a time. All aircraft RTB when the truck is destroyed. AMX + Bisons drop any remaining Mavericks on and/or strafe the cows on their way home if there are no hostile aircraft in the area, otherwise RTB as fast as possible. Follow the grey route back to Banja Luka. The biggest issue with this plan is that it really hasn't got any way to deal with SAMs or AAA other than avoiding them, but using the F-117s isn't worth the risk. PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Jan 12, 2018 15:18
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Bacarruda posted:The Top Soar guys are the one dropping snake and nape. But they're probably going to miss...so Mr. Willmott and the other producers want some cows to get blown up so they can get B-roll of the "event" they can edit in later. I know, but you'd think the audience can tell the difference between napalm and high explosive. Good thing it's not our problem!
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I'd like to remind everyone that we do have a Reaper available and it can carry bombs. If nothing else you can use it to hit the cows and save the main planes the trouble of strafing them.
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But I like strafing though  I would like to task DT5 with reconnaissance. What kinds of enemy forces are likely to make an appearance: F-5s and Viggens with heaters, or Bisons with Amraamskis? That would tremendously change up our approach to things. e: not Gripens, Viggens Also, I think there's definitely some potential in coming in from the north via Hefiz-Batalon. bibliosabreur fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Jan 12, 2018 16:45
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Get DT5 to booby trap the cows
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Davin Valkri posted:I'd like to remind everyone that we do have a Reaper available and it can carry bombs. If nothing else you can use it to hit the cows and save the main planes the trouble of strafing them. Unfortunately, the other Reaper is the one that has experience firing on wildlife. You may have to first get Grand Soar to place the cows in a warehouse, and then ask MEAT to blow up something near, but not in, said warehouse. Or maybe unlike the brimstones the bombs actually work worth a drat. That’d be neat.
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Planning scenario inbound tonight or tomorrow. The mission will be daytime. Weather will be light, high, clouds. No rain. OPFOR Radar will range from civilian air traffic radars to cold war radar sets operated by national interests who share data on a mercenary basis with the Wild Willie crew.
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Davin Valkri posted:I'd like to remind everyone that we do have a Reaper available and it can carry bombs. If nothing else you can use it to hit the cows and save the main planes the trouble of strafing them. Now you're being sensible Davin. We don't work that way  (Seriously though, the Brimstones are the best weapon that we have for hitting the truck, but I think that the Reaper is too slow and that it would be too risky to use it for this operation.) Yooper: Could we buy some radar coverage for at least a part of the operation? PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 00:22 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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You know, I am beginning to believe we should buy both ground based radar, and a few AA to set up a curtain around our airfields... I am not the only one that thinks we are going to have a nice airfield accident one of these days right? I mean, it's not like we hide where we are flying from or anything... Besides, being able to lure enemy planes into a prepared ambush could be useful...
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Zebrin posted:You know, I am beginning to believe we should buy both ground based radar, and a few AA to set up a curtain around our airfields... We do have a Groundmaster Radar, Pantsir, and I-Hawk battery along with some ZSU-23-4. Working on the scenario and we have...  Cows.
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Jan 13, 2018 02:02
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Do the pilots get to put a silhouette of a cow on their aircraft if they kill one?
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Yooper posted:We do have a Groundmaster Radar, Pantsir, and I-Hawk battery along with some ZSU-23-4. Is that just in the game as a unit, or did you have to hack that in?
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Akratic Method posted:Is that just in the game as a unit, or did you have to hack that in? Deleted the picture of "Civilians" and replaced it with a cow. Civilians are the meatiest thing in the land based section. If this were a whale cooking contest now...
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Jan 13, 2018 14:06
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Don't be silly, we already had our whale cooking contest in the Bering Sea.
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Radio Free Kobold posted:Don't be silly, we already had our whale cooking contest in the Bering Sea. Yeah, and we lost. Hard. We might’ve gotten the sunshine out, but we still got the short end when it came to the poo poo we lost.
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HereticMIND posted:Yeah, and we lost. Hard. We might’ve gotten the sunshine out, but we still got the short end when it came to the poo poo we lost. Well we didn't cook any whales, so of course we lost the whale-cooking contest. I blame the ANGERpeace lobby.
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  Photo near Sarajevo showing the aftermath of a dogfight in February 2024 The Balkans have a problem. Actually they have a lot of problems, but this is one that concerns us. The proliferation of 3d Printed airframes coupled with the resurgence of mercenary bands has brought a new scale of mercenary militarism and destruction not seen in Europe since the Thirty Years War. (hi hey gal) On top of our two conflicts, the largest two, there are other fights with auto dealerships, fast food restaurants, municipalities, soccer teams and even between universities. Bands of mercs who are outfitted with just a handful of planes seek to make a living. At most times just a few are functioning. Sometimes these groups coalesce into tenuous teams, other times they outright fight in the skies. The combined construction of the 20th century is now a target list. How do we handle them as a group? A > Ignore them, only fire if they violate the ROE. B > Engage any unknown target. C > Pay them to clear the skies or else B. Should we start flinging missiles all over the Balkans we could both waste ordnance and draw people into a fight that might not be our enemies but that just happen to be bombing the local Burger King.
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Jan 15, 2018 14:28
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Ignore, but if it comes to it then bribe
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Don’t fire unless fired upon. We aren’t getting paid to deal with these people.
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We have an obligation to local civilians, if only because the drinks companies all want happy customers. C.
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A - I'd vote C if the alternative was we ignore them instead of shooting, btw.
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A Professionals Don't do poo poo if they don't get paid.
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A. We don't care if we don't get fired upon or, as mentioned above, get paid to care at the moment. Bribe them or sue them if they interfere with our or our employers' operations though.
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B own the skies
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A means the odd risk of someone trying to pull a fast one on us. B means a lot of potential extra ordnance cost, might imperil missions by having us spend too much ammo on incidentals and carries the risk of all these freelancers eventually getting together to gang up on us. C spends money to mitigate the risks inherent in B to some degree. Go with A for now. If someone trying to be funny becomes a trend, we can switch over to C. Option B is just a really bad idea all around.
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Kings of the Loud Table. B... But use it to negotiate for other people to pay us to not be engaged, OR as a negotiating point to swap to C/A later. This goes back to 'how do you know who's an enemy?'. Best case scenario is all the merc teams in the region agree to flag their missions with transponders and ignore each other - but reaching that point takes a few misunderstandings before people settle down and say 'lets stop loving each other'. Surprise dogfight option though. Yooper posted:Bands of mercs who are outfitted with just a handful of planes seek to make a living. At most times just a few are functioning. Sometimes these groups coalesce into tenuous teams, other times they outright fight in the skies. The combined construction of the 20th century is now a target list. Would I be correct in assuming that most of these teams are smaller than the hired guns/have not made it big-ish time yet? 5-10 planes is a lot less than us.
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TheParadigm posted:Would I be correct in assuming that most of these teams are smaller than the hired guns/have not made it big-ish time yet? 5-10 planes is a lot less than us. Yes, in some cases a single pair of crap planes dropping iron bombs.
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C > Pay them to clear the skies or else B.
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C -They get one chance.
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I'd say we do B but with an emphasis on the unknown part. Post a hotline/e-mail/whatever where other PMCs can call in for deconfliction, stating their makeup, location, timetable, intent, whatever. Make it known that we will engage anyone unknown to us if we need to, and it is in their interest to make themselves known to us. Hell, do this and offer a deconfliction service for all the tiny outfits flying around. For a modest subscription fee of course. Let Bumfuck PMC know that Hootn' & Hollrn' PMC is operating in the same area as them, but are no threat. For a slightly bigger fee, we might even let slip that Two Men & A Bomb-Truck PMC is also operating there and are a threat. Unless TM&ABT pay us the non-slipping fee of course. Also, deal with any other well-outfitted neutral PMCs through back-channels. e: Basically we position ourselves as a sort of deconfliction clearing-house, backed by the thinly veiled threat of surprise Meteor for anyone who neglected to sign up. Anta fucked around with this message at 20:25 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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     VOTE FOR 2 If you've got a plan and need a day please let me know! Otherwise vote early and vote often.
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A Because this sounds like a good choice in this complicated AO. Operation Dairy Queen And Nazareth for the win!
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Anta posted:I'd say we do B but with an emphasis on the unknown part. Post a hotline/e-mail/whatever where other PMCs can call in for deconfliction, stating their makeup, location, timetable, intent, whatever. Make it known that we will engage anyone unknown to us if we need to, and it is in their interest to make themselves known to us. We're becoming a goddamned arbiter and this sounds wonderful. Hayard Gunnes is all grown up and doing responsible adult things in the world 
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