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Operation Dairy Queen and Operation Nazareth. Also, with regards to the vote, I'd like to point out what happened during Poor Life Choices, in which an engagement with 6 Eagles turned into an engagement with 12 because one of our Meteors retargeted onto one of the "neutral" SMARF fliers. Allowing this to happen during any op seems a bit...risky.
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Voting Nazareth/Dairy QueenYooper posted:Working on the scenario and we have... 19:16:26 - 19:16:26 - Weapon MatraMooMagic 3 is attacking Dickbutt #2 (AMX [A-11 Ghibli]) with a base PH of 95%. PH adjusted for distance: 90%. Adjusted for mooing proficiency (Farmhand): 0.8. PH adjusted for bovine attitude: 100%. Final Probability 68%. Result: 14 - HIT 19:16:15 - 19:16:15 - Weapon BL.755 No.1 CB [147 x GP Anti-Armor Bomblets] is attacking Heifer #6 (Cow [cow]) with a base PH of 95%. PH adjusted for distance: 80%. Heifer #6 has nominal agility: 1, adjusted for attitude: 1. Final PH: 64%. Result: 69% - FAILURE 19:16:15 - 19:16:15 - Decoy (Generic Cowpat Salvo [4x Turds]) from Heifer #6 is attempting to seduce sensor: Mk.1 Eyeball (Tech: Early 80s)(Guiding Weapon: BL.755 No.1 CB [147 x GP Anti-Armor Bomblets]). Final probability 10%. Result: 42 - FAILURE
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Jan 15, 2018 21:41
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option B Dairy queen/minimal effort
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1) Cannon Fodder 2) Minimal Effort PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Jan 15, 2018 22:16
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1) Nazareth 2) Cannon Fodder
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Please don't vote for anything that puts our F-117Cs at risk. Don't bring along the slow Reaper, our escort will be out of gas and heading for home, leaving the Reaper as easy pickings. And please don't vote for anything that paths our planes right by enemy airbases (and outside of our radar coverage). That leaves us with... 1. Operation Minimal Effort 2. Operation Cannon Fodder Yooper posted:
Anta posted:e: Basically we position ourselves as a sort of deconfliction clearing-house, backed by the thinly veiled threat of surprise Meteor for anyone who neglected to sign up. I know this isn't one of the options, but how about this, Yooper? 1. We interview and hire any of the credible small-time operators out there as sub-contractors for us. We could use some specializt support on things like Recon, EW, CAP, and SEAD. And it'd be a chance for us to see some rarer planes in action. 2. We do Anta's deconfliction clearing-house idea and spread the word to anyone not working for us. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 02:37 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Bacarruda posted:I know this isn't one of the options, but how about this, Yooper? I was just coming here to suggest this exact thing.
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Jan 16, 2018 02:05
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Voting Operation Minimal Effort and Operation Cannon Fodder, both for leaving the F117s and Reaper at home.
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Bacarruda posted:Please don't vote for anything that puts our F-117Cs at risk. Don't bring along the slow Reaper, our escort will be out of gas and heading for home, leaving the Reaper as easy pickings. And please don't vote for anything that paths our planes right by enemy airbases (and outside of our radar coverage). Sure, we can look into this. Mostly I want to simulate the extreme poo poo show that's occurring around us.
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Jan 16, 2018 02:52
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Yooper posted:Sure, we can look into this. Mostly I want to simulate the extreme poo poo show that's occurring around us. like Malaysia Airways continuing to route flights over active combat zones?
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Jan 16, 2018 03:09
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Operation Minimal Effort and uhhhhh I suppose Operation Cannon Fodder
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Jan 16, 2018 03:50
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Nazareth and Dairy Queen. Leave the small fish alone unless they start with us, then blast 'em.
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Jan 16, 2018 06:49
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Minimal Effort and Nazareth. The first is practical, the second is  Do not fire unless fired upon. All this poo poo around here really isn't our problem. Radio Free Kobold fucked around with this message at 10:35 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 16, 2018 08:51
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Nazareth & Dairy Queen Take Option A: Engage ROE violations only. I'm very tempted toward chaos, but I think it might be more fun to observe the wacky 3dp planes we see rather than jump right in. Maybe we can savor other people's chaos a bit.
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Jan 16, 2018 13:02
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Nazareth and Cannon Fodder
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Dairy Queen and Minimal Effort.
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I am admittedly leery about losing the F-117s in my plan but I'm even more leery of running an op with no options for taking out radars. I figured with the 40nm range on ALARMs they can hang back and zap any radars that pop up. Or they get shot down. 
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I thought about that too, but I figured that the Mavericks (or Brimstones) had enough range that the strike aircraft could stay out of range of any AAA that they might run into. The enemy fighters are a much bigger problem. We're unlikely to encounter any serious SAMs this op and speed will be more important than killing every radar that pops up. If we'd have a Tornado or two things would be very different but compensating for the lack of SEAD in other ways seemed easier than using the F-117s in a role that they weren't designed for. That said, Nazareth is a nice plan and very
PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 16, 2018 |
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Jan 16, 2018 20:58
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Option A 1) Cannon Fodder 2) Min. Effort
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Dr. Kyle Farnsworth posted:I am admittedly leery about losing the F-117s in my plan but I'm even more leery of running an op with no options for taking out radars. I figured with the 40nm range on ALARMs they can hang back and zap any radars that pop up. Or they get shot down. Killing radars is a massive escalation and a huge step out of bounds for this operation. There are tons of civilian radars, other merc radars, military radars, corporate radars, etc in the area. We have no way of knowing which radar belongs to which people. So we'd have to kill any radar we see. This is bad for two reasons. One, blowing up any emitting radar we see will piss off the owners, who will then attack/hate us. Bringing along SEAD actually INCREASES the danger on this operation. It makes enemies we didn't need to make. Two, it actually surrenders our element of surprise. As soon as the radars die, the OPFOR will realize something is up and scramble fighters to investigate. With a Minimal Effort Lo-Hi-Hi mission profile, we have a better chance of getting truck-killing weapons off before OPFOR can react. This isn't some Gulf War-style "kick in the door for the Alpha Strike" mission. We don't need Wild Weasels This is a small, surgical strike. Sending in F-117s here is the ultimate high-risk, low-reward strategy. Bacarruda fucked around with this message at 01:38 on Jan 17, 2018 |
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Jan 17, 2018 00:21
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Minimal Effort and Cannon Fodder.
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Minimal Effort and Nazareth...but I would like to suggest keeping the Nighthawks at home. We don't know who's operating those radars and ALARMing them is likely to cause more problems. I would also like goons to consider the possibility of getting DT5 to recon the PMCs in the area. Who's there and what've they got?
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The answer will be not much, after DT5 has a party with them.
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Bacarruda posted:Please don't vote for anything that puts our F-117Cs at risk. Don't bring along the slow Reaper, our escort will be out of gas and heading for home, leaving the Reaper as easy pickings. And please don't vote for anything that paths our planes right by enemy airbases (and outside of our radar coverage). Supporting Plan Bandwagon Baccaruda
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Bandwagoning bac is lame but I'll still vote Minimal effort
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Minimal  , Nazareth, C
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  With a total of 19 Goons voting we found ourselves in round 2 before Operation Minimal Effort came to the forefront.  The Hayard Gunnes Base Operational Negational Erroristic Remediation Program went off with a few minor issues. About half of the PMC's clocked into the system and pay a range of membership fees. This gets them simple data recording all the way up to the premium tier of shared radar. None of them know they pretty much all get the same stuff, we just change the CSS depending on the package. Hooray IT. Unfortunately the other half either outright ignored us or decided we were a destabilizing force out to remove all the profits. I guess both are true? Either way, half of the assholes we once would deal with will now stay on the ground.
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I see what you did there yooper
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Half the assholes will stay on the ground? We're grounding half our pilots?
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I suppose that's what we get for naming our new program B.O.N.E.R. The half of the PMCs that rejected us probably couldn't take that seriously.
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Yooper posted:
Congrats on the win, Bac! Hope it works! And are the other half now going to be gunning for us or will they still not attempt to do so?
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Dr. Snark posted:I suppose that's what we get for naming our new program B.O.N.E.R. The half of the PMCs that rejected us probably couldn't take that seriously. If they can't take our BONER seriously then we won't take them seriously.
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Davin Valkri posted:And are the other half now going to be gunning for us or will they still not attempt to do so? They will continue going about their business shooting at each other. If they engage us it'll be purely coincidence or we've strayed too close to them or they don't like the B.O.N.E.R. program.
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Yooper posted:If they engage us it'll be purely coincidence or we've strayed too close to them or they don't like the B.O.N.E.R. program. Well, it is a growth industry!!!  I'll see myself out.
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Yooper posted:They will continue going about their business shooting at each other. If they engage us it'll be purely coincidence or we've strayed too close to them or they don't like the B.O.N.E.R. program. Well they can have the B.O.N.E.R or our boner equivalents aka Meteors.
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Requesting all Meteors get penis paint jobs.
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The ALARMs seem to get shot down quite a lot. Honestly the thing that surprised me the most about CMANO's depiction of A2G combat was how often ordnance apparently just gets shot down.
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aphid_licker posted:The ALARMs seem to get shot down quite a lot. Honestly the thing that surprised me the most about CMANO's depiction of A2G combat was how often ordnance apparently just gets shot down. I think it's more of our perception based on previous conflicts. We haven't really ever seen parity between SAM systems and aircraft A2G ordnance since the 6 days war. Even then the Israelis took an upper hand immediately. I guess once the  is lit, the hostiles are a bit more on the ball. I also tend to make the OPFOR SAM and AAA fairly high skill so they actually get a shot, otherwise our aircraft move in and out quicker than a newbie OODA loop can handle.
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Yooper posted:I think it's more of our perception based on previous conflicts. We haven't really ever seen parity between SAM systems and aircraft A2G ordnance since the 6 days war. Even then the Israelis took an upper hand immediately. I just remember one of our airfield strikes in this theatre where I think a ZSU, which is kinda dated afaik, took out a shitload of SDBs. Or was that a Pantsir Might make for fun(ny) gameplay to have more air defense stuff but lower skilled to have mission planners go "do we really have to take this one out or can we try to zip through the edge of the coverage bubble?"
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I've played some of the scenarios where I made that bet and lost. Some of them may take some time to lock on or acquire you but once they do some of the SAM and AAA systems can be nasty. You can probably sneak a balls-to-the-wall recon flight over them but a strike aircraft seems to have an about even shot of getting eaten alive, depending on the system.
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