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Also I would not be surprised if there is gay in FranXX but it turns out to be Dark Unrequited Love and causes someone's downfall or someone to do something incredibly stupid that doesn't turn out great the way the main couple doing something incredibly stupid turns out great. Especially if it's a crush on someone in the main couple. Actually that doesn't need to be gay either. There's a good chance 15 is either going to keep loving up or turn to the dark side or both.
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Mister Olympus posted:It's less that it needs it and more that it felt like it was teasing it at points then pulled out Teasing is in the eye of the beholder though, and can be read completely innocently another way. Like, yea Ikuno touching her shoulder means she's thinking of Ichigo. It could be read entirely innocently as just her recalling Ichigo's advice and sentiment, that she has to think of the team etc. though Darth Walrus posted:I think part of it is that FranXX has a far more up-front dystopian vibe than Aquarion, so we’re much more encouraged to question the core assumptions of the setting, and enforced heterosexuality is one of the biggest core assumptions. Than Evol sure. Genesis is pretty much the same though, maybe worse in some ways, since Genesis starts with kids scrounging around a dead city located in the middle of a wild expanse, with the enemy monsters basically having free reign to take people as they wish from what I recall. Even when the hero is recruited for the Aquarion program, their base city is in a pretty wild and uninhabited area, where the Plantations seem to have a network set up and we see multiple domes regularly. tsob fucked around with this message at 21:16 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 21:09
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tsob posted:Teasing is in the eye of the beholder though, and can be read completely innocently another way. Like, yea Ikuno touching her shoulder means she's thinking of Ichigo. It could be read entirely innocently as just her recalling Ichigo's advice and sentiment, that she has to think of the team etc. though Repeating myself from a few posts back but I mainly meant how episode 2 presented things with the perpetually angry fuckboy's hiro-centered frustration. Especially given the show hasn't had a chance to swerve on Ikuno either Mister Olympus fucked around with this message at 21:14 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Feb 5, 2018 21:10
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Mister Olympus posted:Repeating myself from a few posts back but I mainly meant how episode 2 presented things with the perpetually angry fuckboy's hiro-centered frustration. Especially given the show hasn't had a chance to swerve on Ikuno either Which can be read as him being jealous of Hiro's position (i.e. his number), which seems to be a lot better than Zorome's own. Which wouldn't be helped by the system not only accepting Hiro loving up and washing out but giving him time and multiple chances to wash back in. Something that's not normal going by their treatment of Naomi.
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Feb 5, 2018 21:19
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tsob posted:Which can be read as him being jealous of Hiro's position (i.e. his number), which seems to be a lot better than Zorome's own. Which wouldn't be helped by the system not only accepting Hiro loving up and washing out but giving him time and multiple chances to wash back in. Something that's not normal going by their treatment of Naomi. Right, that plus wanting 02 is ultimately what it was, but in the moment before that all resolved it legit looked like he had a babycrush.
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Feb 5, 2018 21:21
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Mister Olympus posted:Right, that plus wanting 02 is ultimately what it was, but in the moment before that all resolved it legit looked like he had a babycrush. I don’t think we’ve yet ruled out Mitsuru having a babycrush, though. His whole thing was rooted in rage and disappointment in Hiro after a downright worshipful flashback.
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Feb 5, 2018 21:27
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Is it really teasing about going someplace and then pulling back if they were never actually intending to or trying to go to that place at all and it was just the viewers mometary perception that made them think it was possible?
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Feb 5, 2018 21:27
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Chev posted:He's the guy behind Heroman's designs (both mecha and character) and also concept artist for Baymax from Disney's Big Hero 6. I've also got a book from him that's all drawings of girls splashed with bright yellow paint. Lurking Haro posted:Unless he worked under a pseudonym, he wasn't involved. Wow, I would've sworn it was the same guy. You look at Gad Guard and then look at stuff from Diebuster, you'd be hard pressed to not find similiarity. Maybe it was inspiration of sort then? I'm real glad to know this though, thanks!
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Darth Walrus posted:I don’t think we’ve yet ruled out Mitsuru having a babycrush, though. His whole thing was rooted in rage and disappointment in Hiro after a downright worshipful flashback. I got weaker vibes there than from Zorome, though some of my friends didn't. For me it was mainly how into 02 mid-piloting he was that cemented it. I mean, anything's possible though. tsob posted:Is it really teasing about going someplace and then pulling back if they were never actually intending to or trying to go to that place at all and it was just the viewers mometary perception that made them think it was possible? If enough people independently come to an interpretation, that interpretation should be engaged with regardless of whether it was strictly intended by the creator or not. Art is as much a subconscious process as a conscious one, and incidental societal things that come into a work are equally valid parts of that work.
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Mister Olympus posted:If enough people independently come to an interpretation, that interpretation should be engaged with regardless of whether it was strictly intended by the creator or not. Art is as much a subconscious process as a conscious one, and incidental societal things that come into a work are equally valid parts of that work. I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss it; just that saying the creators were teasing something and pulled back seems weird when the perception can be laid entirely at the feet of the viewers. Something like Nanoha I would say is the creators teasing and just not having the go ahead to fully commit to for instance, where by StrikerS the main characters of the first two shows are living together, share beds at least occasionally, take care of adopted kids and so on. Nothing in this seems like intentional teasing though.
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Feb 5, 2018 21:40
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No one is saying audience readings are categorically invalid, but when you're trying to predict what the creators are doing, then the creators' intent is absolutely relevant.
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tsob posted:I'm not saying people shouldn't discuss it; just that saying the creators were teasing something and pulled back seems weird when the perception can be laid entirely at the feet of the viewers. Something like Nanoha I would say is the creators teasing and just not having the go ahead to fully commit to for instance, where by StrikerS the main characters of the first two shows are living together, share beds at least occasionally, take care of adopted kids and so on. Nothing in this seems like intentional teasing though. And that's why the tone on it is verging towards the pessimistic, though?
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Feb 5, 2018 21:43
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AnacondaHL posted:The central theme of the show has been "status quo not working, need to do something drastic such as having a near useless not-official stamen to ride with the wild pistil" with partner mixups and different other concepts to follow. The thing here though is that the status quo that wasn't working was solely related to 02 and her desire to Pilot with Hiro. And even in this episode there's an interesting line in the pre-opening sequence about these parasites already being corrupted and 002s continued presence to be a further detriment to that. They're definitely reasons to question the direction of the show, and there are definitely open questions regarding how the individual characters fit together in a group and where they can develop. And I'm more than willing to believe that with all the symbolism we have here about children and sex, that there is a very good reason why only males and females are stated to be able to activate a FranXX. It is still playing off the concept of Yin and Yang and different sexual energies that men and women have. Someone in this thread pointed out to me that while the men wear a Y, chromosome on their shirt, and the Women wear X's. Their ceremony gown provided the other chromosome related to them, and the FranXX being female in design would be the product of a male and female union. But for the people betting on there being a same-sex pairing inside of the Mech, in face of all the marriage symbolism and heterosexual theming and imagery, I just don't see it myself. I think there is more room for speculating on how the pilots will interact outside the robots. Abe didn't commisiom this series not to get people making kids is all I'm saying. 
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Feb 5, 2018 21:43
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Mister Olympus posted:And that's why the tone on it is verging towards the pessimistic, though? Tone on what? This discussion? I wouldn't even say it's pessimistic so much as dismissive, because there's not really anything indicating a desire to include more varied sexual couples on the part of the creators, but people are trying to find hints of it in things that can be read with no such purpose.
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Feb 5, 2018 21:50
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My current prediction is that some of the kids may be above a Kinsey 0 but I'll put money against anybody ending in a requited, non-tragic homosexual relationship i.e. if one of the boys is secretly into Captain Namer it will be so he can go all psycho-jealous or sacrifice himself for some reason. Even if Zorome's hate-boner is a literal hate-boner, putting aside plausibility arguments, I don't see that plus the One True Darling ship being a force of redemption for him.
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tsob posted:Tone on what? This discussion? I wouldn't even say it's pessimistic so much as dismissive, because there's not really anything indicating a desire to include more varied sexual couples on the part of the creators, but people are trying to find hints of it in things that can be read with no such purpose. Generally how people expecting the gay were disappointed that it didn't manifest
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Is it possible that the show could introduce more characters in the future? That could throw an unexpected wrinkle in everyone's pair theories, if Darling in the Franxx turns out be one of those strange shows that introduces new characters after the first episode.
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Brought To You By posted:And I'm more than willing to believe that with all the symbolism we have here about child and sex, that there is a very good reason why I only males and females are stated to be able to activate a FranXX. It is still playing off the concept of Yin and Yang and different sexual energies that men and women have. Someone in this thread pointed out to me that while the men wear a Y, chromosome on their shirt, and the Women wear X's. Their ceremony gown provided the other chromosome related to them, and the FranXX being female in design would be the product of a male and female union. The heterosexual reading is one level too deep at this point imho. The flower metaphor is more straightforward. Not every flower has a pistil and stamen inside of it. Not to mention, since the dudes become X's anyways, why not try two female X's if they have a stronger relationship, if everyone is hosed anyways?
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Feb 5, 2018 21:53
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i just assume that all the dudes are loving each other whenever they are off-screen
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gimme the GOD drat candy posted:i just assume that all the dudes are loving each other whenever they are off-screen It’d be kind of hilarious if an episode opens with Hiro and Goro in bed together and then they just go back to work like nothing happened.
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Mister Olympus posted:It's less that it needs it and more that it felt like it was teasing it at points then pulled out 
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Darth Walrus posted:It’d be kind of hilarious if an episode opens with Hiro and Goro in bed together and then they just go back to work like nothing happened. Show pulls a FLCL, and in the middle of an intense action scene cuts to Goro and Hiro in bed with Hiro noting how he has to think about Goro during the scenes with 02's actress before kissing Goro, then getting up to get dressed and go back on scene. A faint cry of "AAAAAAAAAAACCCCTION" can be heard, and then we're back to the big fight.
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AnacondaHL posted:The heterosexual reading is one level too deep at this point imho. The flower metaphor is more straightforward. Not every flower has a pistil and stamen inside of it. quote:Not to mention, since the dudes become X's anyways, why not try two female X's if they have a stronger relationship, if everyone is hosed anyways? And the reason why I don't think two female Pilots would work is because again, the creator of these robots specifically stipulate that is male and female energy is needed to power these units. Just like it is the union of a man and a woman that makes a child (franXX) All the other imagery is in service of reinforcing the notion of a heterosexual coupling. Again, I'm not seeing any real reason to believe that inside the robots we're going to see non-heterosexual pairings. We're going to need to add a new rule before I start to give that line of thought any credibility.
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it really all comes down to a single yes or no question: gay sex? also i think less of anyone who answers no as a person.
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Mister Olympus posted:I think there's more to it than that, tbh. I can easily see the 'generational conflict' element of the show going broader with what's been presented to us. There are very direct equivalents to the idea that the post-WWII generation strip-mined both the planet and the global economy to secure their own futures then pulled out, leaving a very insecure future for anyone born in the 90s onward. In some aspects this might be literal if the planet they're on is a blasted Earth and not Mars, but also in things like the "parasite" terminology for kids (shiftless lazy millennials!) and how "magma energy" is something that should theoretically be clean--it's geothermal right?--but also destructive and limited since it seems like they're literally drinking up the planet's core. I was leaning towards this 'commentary on the situation of the younger generations of Japan' angle from like episode 2, but didn't think to toss it on the theory pile until now. You just nailed it way better than I could, because I only had the 'please procreate to survive' ~= 'please kill monsters to survive' part. And that definitely leads to rejection of 'be het and Nobody is happy with the norm in this show. Ranzear fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Feb 5, 2018 |
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Just going to drop a quote from Ikuno's VA, from an interview right before episode 4 came out.Ishigami Shizuka posted:As for future developments for Ikuno, please look forward to finding out what she’s thinking about and what she cherishes the most, as well as seeing hints of something important to her that spurs her into action. As I said, it's too early for me to actually put money on the table, and it doesn't actually nail anything down. It's just another bit on the pile with the blush and the shoulder tap that makes me go "hmmn."
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you people are delusional and actively ignoring the text of the show  try to actually read what is being said here
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chiasaur11 posted:Just going to drop a quote from Ikuno's VA, from an interview right before episode 4 came out. It's Hiro. She wants Hiro's dick, very badly.
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This character whos entire being so far has been wanting to gently caress the MC, is actually a lesbian cuz uh..She made contact with another woman.
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Ikuno doesn’t want to gently caress Hiro (and might conceivably be homo). Ichigo wants to gently caress Hiro.
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skasion posted:Ikuno doesn’t want to gently caress Hiro (and might conceivably be homo). Ichigo wants to gently caress Hiro. So therefore, in the show that's done everything it can, from the instant it began, to hammer in that relationships are two-way streets, and shown in exquisite, uncomfortable detail what happens when one partner isn't into the other, and how effective two partners are when they're into each other, Ikuno is going to have a relationship with someone who barely acknowledges she exists except to give her advice as team leader, and has eyes only for Hiro, because...?
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King Cohort posted:So therefore, in the show that's done everything it can, from the instant it began, to hammer in that relationships are two-way streets, and shown in exquisite, uncomfortable detail what happens when one partner isn't into the other, and how effective two partners are when they're into each other, Ikuno is going to have a relationship with someone who barely acknowledges she exists except to give her advice as team leader, and has eyes only for Hiro, because...? Well for one thing she’s chill and not rude. I’m just explaining this because some people seem to be under the impression that anyone thinks Ichigo is gay.
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King Cohort posted:So therefore, in the show that's done everything it can, from the instant it began, to hammer in that relationships are two-way streets, and shown in exquisite, uncomfortable detail what happens when one partner isn't into the other, and how effective two partners are when they're into each other, Ikuno is going to have a relationship with someone who barely acknowledges she exists except to give her advice as team leader, and has eyes only for Hiro, because...? This is what I'm talking about when I say "even if anyone is gay, I'm not sure it's going to end well for them," except I wasn't even thinking about Ikuno because the last and only thing of note I remember her doing last episode was about trusting and supporting your partner.
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I think Darling is the probably the wrong anime for certain posters to shove their ideology into, and ADTRW is probably the wrong place to do it. Please don't turn this forum into NeoGAF.
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It is a Trigger anime, even if mostly A-1 at the helm. If it doesn't subvert itself or go off the rails we'll all be hugely disappointed.
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Feb 5, 2018 23:50
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"Ideology."
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sincx posted:I think Darling is the probably the wrong anime for certain posters to shove their ideology into, and ADTRW is probably the wrong place to do it. don't be a bitch who are these "certain posters"
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Ranzear posted:It is a Trigger anime, even if mostly A-1 at the helm. If it doesn't subvert itself or go off the rails we'll all be hugely disappointed. Trigger's not involved in the writing or production committee. It's as much of a trigger anime as, say, Idolmaster was.
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