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I don't think the recordings are that bad. Sounds like the stuff you'd expect to hear when people talk politics. But if there are more tapes and they keep slowly getting released, I think that becomes an issue for him. Then people start asking why he was talking to Blago so much and just how close was he to him. In other news, Raila might be thrown off the ballot. I read that you need more signatures to run for this post than the Governor. http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/politics/ct-met-cook-assessor-ballot-20180205-story.html
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Feb 7, 2018 19:19
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Yeah I don't really like the idea of JB sitting around discussing the Senate appointment with Blago given all the felonies surrounding it, but JB has a legalize it ad so
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Niwrad posted:I don't think the recordings are that bad. Sounds like the stuff you'd expect to hear when people talk politics. But if there are more tapes and they keep slowly getting released, I think that becomes an issue for him. Then people start asking why he was talking to Blago so much and just how close was he to him. Well this would be good for Kaegi, since there's less likely to be an anti-Berrios split. The Prtizker stuff mostly just seems like "guilty by association" for talking with Blago. I don't think anything he says in there is really damning. My biggest concern is that Rauner has some big bomb he's sitting on waiting for Pritzker to win the nomination.
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Bird in a Blender posted:The Prtizker stuff mostly just seems like "guilty by association" for talking with Blago. I don't think anything he says in there is really damning. My biggest concern is that Rauner has some big bomb he's sitting on waiting for Pritzker to win the nomination. Yeah, it's this. It's a couple of people steeped in Illinois politics talking shop. And not even a "locker room talk" kind of way. At the time, Blago was governor and while insiders knew the sleazy poo poo he was up to, the general public wasn't tuned into it until the marshals started knocking on his door. Sure, it looks awful in retrospect but nothing was illegal or out of the norm at the time.
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from the AP:quote:Democratic Illinois governor candidate J.B. Pritzker is apologizing for racially insensitive comments captured on a FBI wiretap between him and then-Gov. Rod Blagojevich.
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Willa Rogers posted:from the AP: This is the part that I think impacts him the most. Nothing in there suggests corruption on any meaningful scale, but he sounded like an rear end in a top hat. I'd wager this hurts him more in the primary than anything else, I don't know that it'll have the kind of impact Rauner hopes. It makes him look tone deaf and ignorant and makes me dislike him more, but I wasn't planning on voting for him in the primary anyway.
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Lager posted:This is the part that I think impacts him the most. Nothing in there suggests corruption on any meaningful scale, but he sounded like an rear end in a top hat. I'd wager this hurts him more in the primary than anything else, I don't know that it'll have the kind of impact Rauner hopes. I think this is the relevant point of the Trib story I linked to yesterday: quote:In the 2018 governor’s contest, the major Democratic hopefuls are white, and each has picked an African-American running mate. The campaigns also are mapping out themes largely focused on issues plaguing minority communities, such as vows to improve educational and economic opportunities and stem gun violence and crime. Biss, for one, has already slammed Pritzker for the remarks with Blago, and given that Kennedy is almost singly focused on appealing to black voters he's prolly running with that too.
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I'm hoping for a Blair Hull thing here with Pritzker. Hull, in 2004, had way more money than anyone else, ran ads way earlier than everyone else, had good polling numbers because he was the only one advertising for months, but it all came crashing down a couple months before the primary because of past scandals. I don't hate Pritzker, but I really don't want our politics to turn into the billionaires only club.
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Bird in a Blender posted:I'm hoping for a Blair Hull thing here with Pritzker. Hull, in 2004, had way more money than anyone else, ran ads way earlier than everyone else, had good polling numbers because he was the only one advertising for months, but it all came crashing down a couple months before the primary because of past scandals. I don't hate Pritzker, but I really don't want our politics to turn into the billionaires only club. I'm really glad I'm not the only one making this comparison.
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Bird in a Blender posted:I really don't want our politics to turn into the billionaires only club.
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I don't like the billionaire thing either but the other candidates are bad. Kennedy is against legalization and Biss thinks we're getting $10 billion from a financial transaction tax. Pritzker seems like the safest bet and his policies are in line with what I want.
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dwarf74 posted:You might want to sit down... I have some bad news for you. There aren't that many billionaires in politics. Sadly, I am willing to live with a millionaires only club.
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Bird in a Blender posted:There aren't that many billionaires in politics. Sadly, I am willing to live with a millionaires only club.
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Lager posted:This is the part that I think impacts him the most. Nothing in there suggests corruption on any meaningful scale, but he sounded like an rear end in a top hat. I'd wager this hurts him more in the primary than anything else, I don't know that it'll have the kind of impact Rauner hopes. Oh come on. Not even White gave a poo poo about that conversation.
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dwarf74 posted:Oh, you were talking about the actual candidates. Yeah, those are mostly 'mere' millionaires. But every billionaire I can think of is extremely active in politics; they just don't actually run for anything. Sorry about that. Oh, yea only candidates. I completely understand that every billionaire in the world is trying to influence our politics in some way.
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Honestly any billionaire that actively gets into politics is an idiot and/or really vain If I was that rich I would never ever want to be in elected office. I can pay others a pittance of what running a campaign can cost. To do my bidding.
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Is there any semi-unbiased source for information on congressional primary candidates? Specifically district 13 since that's where I'm at and Rodney Davis is a twat and I'd really like to elect someone who can beat him.
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The real problem for Pritzker is that he can't even state that there aren't worse tapes ready to be dropped.
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Devo posted:Is there any semi-unbiased source for information on congressional primary candidates? Specifically district 13 since that's where I'm at and Rodney Davis is a twat and I'd really like to elect someone who can beat him. Hey Devo. Here's Ballotpedia's entry on the various candidates Article on the recently-held Dem candidate forum from WILL Public Radio Here's a story about Jon Ebel. He favors moving towards single payer healthcare and more funding for college, former Navy Intelligence, Religion professor from UIUC, relatively unknown, white male. Wants to move back towards 'bipartisanship.' Has 75k on hand as of this article, $206,000 total to date as of Feb. 3rd Angel Sides is a dark horse candidate, substitute teacher and campaign volunteer (Sanders, Durbin, etc) running from Springfield. Very liberal, no political experience. Popped up out of nowhere at the Dec. filing. Hasn't raised enough to bother filing anything as of Feb. 3rd. Erik Jones is a lawyer from Edwardsville. One of the two favored to win. Jones is a former policy director and assistant attorney general for the Illinois Attorney General's Office. He also served as counsel to the House Committee on Energy & Commerce and Oversight & Government Reform. He also worked in the Senate, serving as deputy general counsel and chief investigative counsel for the U.S. Senate Committee on Commerce. Endorsed by the League of Conservation Voters. Raised $353,000 total as of Feb. 3rd. Favors a Medicare for all kind of buy-in. Perennial also-ran David Gill, a doctor from Champaign. Mostly healthcare focused. Smart enough, says the right things but this'll be his sixth loving time challenging for this seat, give it a rest, dude, the people have spoken and they say 'meh.' (He did come within 1000 votes in 2012 and blamed an independent liberal candidate for his loss then). Raised $70,000 so far but only has a few thousand in the bank as of Feb. 3rd. Repeal and replace Obamacare with nationalized health care proponent. Betsy Dirksen Londrigan is the establishment Dem choice and the other favorite. She was a fundraiser for Dick Durbin and her experience here shows in her numbers. Declines to come right out and support single-payer, wishy washy on 2nd amendment, etc etc. Endorsed by Emily's List and Dick Durbin if that means anything to you. Only distantly related to Everett Dirksen the Republican House member from the 60s who the courthouse in IL and Dirksen Bldg in DC are named after. Raised $237,740 as of Feb. 3rd I'm personally leaning towards Erik Jones in this one, mostly because Londrigan leaves a bad taste in my mouth (typical Illinois politics bullshit) and the others feel like vanity campaigns (as tempting as Ebel's platform is). Also having an experienced investigative attorney on hand on the Dem side with upcoming investigations into Republican malfeasance will definitely come in handy. brugroffil posted:That doesn't seem extremely shady at all
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I'm in the 18th, but in Bloomington so bordering Davis's district. He is pretty much awful and I hope one of them can knock him down just so I don't have to hear his whiny bullshit on WGLT every other loving day. I listened to the debate the other night and have to say Ebel and Jones seem best. Jones particularly, if only because Ebel seems more concerned with bipartisanship for its own sake. Sides seems super lefty, but came off as a kook. She gave what is probably the worst debate performance I have ever heard in my life. She seemed confused the whole time. And yeah, Londrigan seems like the least inspiring candidate in the race.
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Our Revolution, National Nurses United, and MoveOn.org have all endorsed Biss in the gubernatorial primary. The BGA did an investigative story on Pritzker's charitable foundation and comes to the conclusion that it was a way to repatriate his inherited wealth and not pay taxes (and the story hints at his using his charitable trusts to buy political leverage and endorsements): quote:Pritzker’s largesse is a major selling point of his bid for governor. But a Better Government Association examination shows that charity comes at little real cost to the candidate himself but considerable expense to federal and state treasuries.
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He's running these legalize it ads nonstop now lol. I think he knows it's going to take a hail mary to get out of this one.
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I mean we blacks do love our weed.
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Lager posted:I'm in the 18th, but in Bloomington so bordering Davis's district. He is pretty much awful and I hope one of them can knock him down just so I don't have to hear his whiny bullshit on WGLT every other loving day. I listened to the debate the other night and have to say Ebel and Jones seem best. Jones particularly, if only because Ebel seems more concerned with bipartisanship for its own sake. Sides seems super lefty, but came off as a kook. She gave what is probably the worst debate performance I have ever heard in my life. She seemed confused the whole time. And yeah, Londrigan seems like the least inspiring candidate in the race. Hey fellow BloNo goon. I'm in Normal and have been gerrymandered into LaHood's district. Davis is maybe vulnerable but drat, we're stuck with LaHood forever I think.
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considering I live in a market that is already being inundated with IL politics ads despite the fact that a good 2/3rds of the viewing area has no interest in IL politics: are there any challenges for Mike Bost? a guy I used to play HS hockey with ran against him last time and lost, which I didn't like.
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A crooked billionaire? Say it ain’t so. Yeah I’m coming down on the Biss train. He’ll drop his dumb tax and come around on legalizing pot and taxing the poo poo out of it and if he’s smart send all the proceeds to paying off all the pension and debt obligations. Who’s everyone want for AG? I’m leaning towards Renato but that’s just because I appreciate his ability to explain complicated legal poo poo in a way I can understand without making me feel dumb (his twitters a pro follow FYI).
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Go Boss go Did anyone ever figure out why Lisa stepped down for AG?
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brugroffil posted:Did anyone ever figure out why Lisa stepped down for AG? Isn't she the frontrunner for Durbin's seat in 2020? Have to figure the old man will be close to stepping down by then.
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FuturePastNow posted:goddammit Democrats this could have been the easiest gubernatorial election ever but Should've been a tipoff when all the state's heavy-hitter elected Dems came out for Pritzker. Oracle posted:A crooked billionaire? Say it ain’t so. Yeah I’m coming down on the Biss train. He’ll drop his dumb tax and come around on legalizing pot and taxing the poo poo out of it and if he’s smart send all the proceeds to paying off all the pension and debt obligations. Renato looks good. And just lolol that Pat Quinn's running for the office.
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