[canada] I don't need to take lessons on marginalized people. I'm ITALIAN!

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infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Dreylad posted:

C'mon Bill! Trade War!

lmao, I was just picturing that

# ? Feb 7, 2018 01:30

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# ? May 14, 2024 06:52

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

I just cracked a bottle of my favourite wine from Lake Country.

Already have my next trip planned for next month; might make it 7 cases now.

gently caress big oil but wth expanding something already there seems far preferable to anything new, or more rail, or more trucks ugh.

Your move Horgan. Maybe boycott Stampede?

# ? Feb 7, 2018 05:19

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

infernal machines posted:

In response, BC bans imports of aggressive rednecks, cowboys.

lol

# ? Feb 7, 2018 05:21

DariusLikewise: Oct 4, 2008; You wore that on Halloween?

We require more studies/prep/funding/etc of the impact of lovely BC wine on our health services lmao. It's a stupid loving argument because as I said this oil is already being pumped out of the ground and going to your ports/through your province by rail. So we can have this stupid trade war over a good that is being shipped through your province anyways in a more costly and riskier method that is driving up the cost of transport for other goods or we can put the pipeline in that was approved by a federal environment comission.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 16:21

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Why do idiots think that pipelines will replace rail transport of oil? It just means a lot more oil will be shipped, doesn't change the method.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 17:23

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Alberta: We've got a whole fuckload of the shittiest oil on earth, and by golly we're gonna get rid of it.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 17:32

CLAM DOWN: Feb 13, 2007

Also lmao pipelines leak WAY more than rail transport does are you loving kidding me

# ? Feb 7, 2018 18:40

Dreylad: Jun 19, 2001

infernal machines posted:

lmao, I was just picturing that

# ? Feb 7, 2018 18:51

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

This National Post article from 2015 is like peak Canadian economics. Just read the first and last paragraphs if you don't have any time to waste:

National Post posted:

Pundits outside Alberta are almost unanimous in their support for a Norway-style sovereign wealth fund. If only the Alberta government had saved more of its resource revenues, the argument goes, then the Alberta government would have saved more of its resource revenues. Or something like that; details are never the strong suit of big-picture pundits. It�s usually enough to make the clearly unarguable point that it would nice to have an extra $1 trillion on hand, just like the Norwegians.

The Alberta government could have set aside some of its revenues into a wealth fund. But then again, so could have the federal government and any of the other provincial governments; Quebec already has put away $7 billion into its Generations Fund. The mechanics are pretty simple: set expenditures less than revenues and put the savings into a wealth fund. Any government can do it, so why don�t they? The answer is of course that saving is costly, and the benefits of being able to finance future spending don�t always exceed the costs of sacrificing current expenditure.

There are two things you can do when your income goes up: You can spend the increase, or you can save it (or some combination of the two). The theory of optimal savings says that the decision depends on whether or not the increase is temporary or permanent. A purely temporary jump in earnings � a good example is winning the lottery � should be saved, so that the benefits can be spread out across a long period of time. Similarly, people whose careers pay very high salaries at first and then fall off to a much lower level � for example, elite athletes � are well-advised to save the bulk of their earnings during the peak years.

This is the idea behind a resource wealth fund. If the burst of resource revenues is short-lived, then it�s best to think of them as a lottery-style windfall that should be saved and then spent across a longer period of time. �What will we do when the oil runs out?� is a question with real resonance in Norway. Norway�s oil reserves were never very large, and production peaked in 2001. At current rates of extraction, existing reserves will be exhausted within a few decades.

This was also the context behind the establishment of Alberta�s Heritage Fund in 1976. The oil sands were not yet viable, and the estimated lifespan of conventional oil reserves was measured in decades. Preparing for a post-petroleum Alberta made sense in the 1970s, and so did a resource wealth fund.

Then two things changed everything. First, the development of new techniques for extracting usable hydrocarbons from the oil sands made it possible to imagine large-scale exploitation if oil prices increased by a sufficient amount. Then oil prices increased by a sufficient amount.

It is perhaps not well-enough known that the concept of �proven oil reserves� has both geological and economic elements. Oil that is known to be present but which cannot be extracted economically is generally excluded from estimates for reserves. When the U.S. Energy Information Agency decided to include the oil sands in its estimates, Canada�s proven oil reserves jumped from 4.9-billion barrels in 2002 to 180 billion in 2003. To put this in perspective, Canadian oil production was 1.2-billion barrels in 2013. Even in the unlikely event that there will be no further developments in oil sands technology, estimates for the date when Canada will run out of oil have been pushed back by centuries.

This extended horizon greatly weakens the case for an Alberta resource wealth fund: It won�t be needed for a couple of hundred years, and it�s just as easy to predict the structure of the 23rd century as it was for early 19th-century visionaries to predict the structure of ours. This increase in income may as well be treated as permanent. And the theory that recommends saving the proceeds of a temporary windfall also recommends spending the proceeds of a permanent increase in income.

The other effect of a horizon that is measured in centuries instead of decades is that it puts into question the meaning of �saving for future generations.� Norwegians can be fairly certain that when their Government Pension Fund starts to send out cheques in a few decades, they and their children will be on the receiving end. (As in many European countries, Norwegian citizenship is based on bloodlines, not place of birth.) International and interprovincial migration rates being what they are, current Alberta residents have little reason to think that the sacrifices they make today will benefit their descendants 200 years from now. Moreover, Albertans are almost certainly going to be vastly wealthier in the 23rd century than they are today; the notion that they�d need a helping hand from the 21st century will doubtlessly be seen as a quaint conceit.

To be sure, there are still the problems of dealing with the cyclical nature of oil prices, but these are second-order issues here. For example, the Alberta government could probably insulate itself further from resource price fluctuations if it implemented a HST, but if it doesn�t, well, that�s their choice.

As it turns out, Canadians did save some of the extra income generated by the recent resource boom. Before the resource boom, the ratio of national net worth � this combines households, corporations and governments � to gross national income (GNI) was roughly constant, if not falling. But this ratio increased, even as GNI surged during the boom. It�s instructive to look at what would have happened if the ratio of national net worth to GNI had stayed at its 2005 level. It turns out that actual net worth in 2014 was $1.5-trillion higher than it would have been under this counterfactual � and this increase occurred without a sovereign wealth fund. The Norwegians should be so lucky.

We converted all that oil wealth into granite countertops for our kitchens and lift kits for our Ford F150s and we're so much richer for it :clint:

Who needs government revenue when you've got a McMansion and some sweet truck equity

# ? Feb 7, 2018 18:54

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

Also let's take a moment to appreciate this sly insinuation, slightly ahead of its time in 2015, that social democracy is some kind of unseemly white supremacist plot:

quote:

The other effect of a horizon that is measured in centuries instead of decades is that it puts into question the meaning of �saving for future generations.� Norwegians can be fairly certain that when their Government Pension Fund starts to send out cheques in a few decades, they and their children will be on the receiving end. (As in many European countries, Norwegian citizenship is based on bloodlines, not place of birth.) International and interprovincial migration rates being what they are, current Alberta residents have little reason to think that the sacrifices they make today will benefit their descendants 200 years from now. Moreover, Albertans are almost certainly going to be vastly wealthier in the 23rd century than they are today; the notion that they�d need a helping hand from the 21st century will doubtlessly be seen as a quaint conceit.

Fortunately Alberta, a nation of people who know deep in their hearts that five or ten years from now they'll be living in Mom's basement back in Ontario or BC while they list their truck on kijiji, is immune to sordid blood and soil appeal of a sovereign wealth fund.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 18:59

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Helsing posted:

Also let's take a moment to appreciate this sly insinuation, slightly ahead of its time in 2015, that social democracy is some kind of unseemly white supremacist plot:

Fortunately Alberta, a nation of people who know deep in their hearts that five or ten years from now they'll be living in Mom's basement back in Ontario or BC while they list their truck on kijiji, is immune to sordid blood and soil appeal of a sovereign wealth fund.

I love the sudden jump from "Norwegians will appreciate their pensions a few decades from now" to "why should Albertans think 200 years ahead, their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandkids will be wealthier no matter what?"

# ? Feb 7, 2018 19:10

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandkids will probably live somewhere other than the barren desert hellscape that was once Alberta.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 19:13

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

infernal machines posted:

Their great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great-grandkids will probably live somewhere other than the barren desert hellscape that was once Alberta.

Once the ice caps melt Alberta will be oceanfront property again baybee :getin:

Nice warm shallow seas to chill beside with your Kokanee

# ? Feb 7, 2018 21:28

Bilirubin: Feb 16, 2014; The sanctioned action is to CHUG

Helsing posted:

Also let's take a moment to appreciate this sly insinuation, slightly ahead of its time in 2015, that social democracy is some kind of unseemly white supremacist plot:

Fortunately Alberta, a nation of people who know deep in their hearts that five or ten years from now they'll be living in Mom's basement back in Ontario or BC while they list their truck on kijiji, is immune to sordid blood and soil appeal of a sovereign wealth fund.

Oh cool, brb going to test this bloodline path to Norwegian citizenship idea.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 21:30

Juul-Whip: Mar 10, 2008

the Canadian military is spending $170,000 on "marijuana simulation kits" to help their personnel understand what it's like to be high

# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:09

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

THC posted:

the Canadian military is spending $170,000 on "marijuana simulation kits" to help their personnel understand what it's like to be high

I don't wanna be a dick or nothing, but this seems like a much less cost-efficient means of teaching people what it's like to be stoned than just getting them stoned.

Why is the government wasting money like this?

# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:12

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

how much do you think is would cost to smoke up the entire CF?

# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:14

flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

Surely someone has some malarone left...

# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:30

PT6A: Jan 5, 2006; Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

infernal machines posted:

how much do you think is would cost to smoke up the entire CF?

Nothing, just take it out of RCMP evidence lockers, duh.

# ? Feb 10, 2018 02:33

klockwerk: Jun 30, 2007; dsch

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DVo-smUVoAETypt.jpg:large

edit: gently caress

# ? Feb 10, 2018 03:33

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

flakeloaf posted:

Surely someone has some malarone left...

isn't that mostly just terror dreams and an inability to differentiate dreams from reality?

klockwerk posted:

edit: gently caress

yeah, the parser sucks

# ? Feb 10, 2018 03:35

Helsing: Aug 23, 2003; DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU JOE BIDEN

THC posted:

the Canadian military is spending $170,000 on "marijuana simulation kits" to help their personnel understand what it's like to be high

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4f2XbOY9kcg

# ? Feb 10, 2018 18:23

RealityWarCriminal: Aug 10, 2016

https://twitter.com/KrangTNelson/status/962379841797611526

# ? Feb 10, 2018 18:55

paul_soccer10: Mar 28, 2016; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

God krang sucks

# ? Feb 10, 2018 22:28

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

so while the opc are having a debate to establish who is the right balance of insane and malicious patrick brown is now insisting that he never actually resigned and is actually still party leader

hell yeah

# ? Feb 15, 2018 23:19

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

Hand Knit posted:

so while the opc are having a debate to establish who is the right balance of insane and malicious patrick brown is now insisting that he never actually resigned and is actually still party leader

hell yeah

no, someone else is, 'ol PB says he's not worried about technicalities like that, only his innocence.

# ? Feb 15, 2018 23:20

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

infernal machines posted:

no, someone else is, 'ol PB says he's not worried about technicalities like that, only his innocence.

still good

their party is going to self-incinerate just before the election and blow yet another layup

# ? Feb 15, 2018 23:24

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

no, look, i'm sure the recently deposed party leader suggesting that his resignation is just a "technicality" as the party gets ready to hold a leadership election going into the general election is actually the sign of a strong and cohesive party that very definitely has its poo poo in order, and could in fact govern its way out of a wet paper bag

# ? Feb 15, 2018 23:30

infernal machines: Oct 11, 2012; we monitor many frequencies. we listen always. came a voice, out of the babel of tongues, speaking to us. it played us a mighty dub.

https://twitter.com/CityNews/status/964273286900314112

we're just asking questions

# ? Feb 16, 2018 00:09

paul_soccer10: Mar 28, 2016; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Nice shirt hamburglar

# ? Feb 16, 2018 00:10

Lightning Lord: Feb 21, 2013; $200 a day, plus expenses

infernal machines posted:

no, look, i'm sure the recently deposed party leader suggesting that his resignation is just a "technicality" as the party gets ready to hold a leadership election going into the general election is actually the sign of a strong and cohesive party that very definitely has its poo poo in order, and could in fact govern its way out of a wet paper bag

But not being able to govern is a feature not a bug 🤔

We have to reverse wynnish tyranny

Oopsie doodle the Minister of Finance fell over and the new minwage is $2/hour 😁😄🤣

# ? Feb 16, 2018 00:13

Lightning Lord: Feb 21, 2013; $200 a day, plus expenses

paul_soccer10 posted:

Nice shirt hamburglar

He's clearly cosplaying as a Lastman

# ? Feb 16, 2018 00:14

Terror Sweat: Mar 15, 2009

Well public mobile just sent out a text to all their members that they are jacking up prices by 10 bucks a month, a huge 25% increase. But don't worry, if you want to keep the same plan, you can switch to Koodo, it's just now post paid so you will get gouged if you go over. Also they did it like 3 days after most customers paid for 3 months in advance, so if you switch to Koodo you miss out on at least 2 months worth of cell phone service. So goodbye loyalty bonuses of 3-4 bucks a month and hello extra surcharges and fees. This pretty much guarantees that all public mobile customers have to pay at least another 6 bucks a month minimum

Thank you Telus you price gouging pricks
And thank you crtc you worthless motherfuckers

# ? Feb 16, 2018 01:43

Hand Knit: Oct 24, 2005; Beer Loses more than a game Sunday ...
We lost our Captain, our Teammate, our Friend Kelly Calabro...
Rest in Peace my friend you will be greatly missed..

paul_soccer10 posted:

Nice shirt hamburglar

Nobody else is ever again allowed to be described as a condom stretched over a basketball with some eyes doodled on it.

# ? Feb 16, 2018 09:04

Pinback: Jul 22, 2012; I've been having real awful dreams about giant apocalyptic machinery
just mowing us all down...

Terror Sweat posted:

Well public mobile just sent out a text to all their members that they are jacking up prices by 10 bucks a month, a huge 25% increase. But don't worry, if you want to keep the same plan, you can switch to Koodo, it's just now post paid so you will get gouged if you go over. Also they did it like 3 days after most customers paid for 3 months in advance, so if you switch to Koodo you miss out on at least 2 months worth of cell phone service. So goodbye loyalty bonuses of 3-4 bucks a month and hello extra surcharges and fees. This pretty much guarantees that all public mobile customers have to pay at least another 6 bucks a month minimum

Thank you Telus you price gouging pricks
And thank you crtc you worthless motherfuckers

Telecoms in Canada is absolute trash. That poo poo should all be put into public ownership.

# ? Feb 16, 2018 11:02

Zajajaja: Jan 10, 2008

Pinback posted:

Telecoms in Canada is absolute trash. That poo poo should all be put into public ownership.

I believe you mean, put into public ownership then immediately leased for 99 years to someone probably in another country.

# ? Feb 16, 2018 16:02

Le Saboteur: Dec 5, 2007; I hear you wish to ball, adventurer..

So Patrick Brown was removed from Caucus today and then this motherfucker hits. https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/964595699068297216

Canadian politics is wild right now.

# ? Feb 16, 2018 21:25

Zajajaja: Jan 10, 2008

Le Saboteur posted:

So Patrick Brown was removed from Caucus today and then this motherfucker hits. https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/964595699068297216

Canadian politics is wild right now.

https://twitter.com/CityCynthia/status/964592502190690305

Mere hours before the deadline too. It's gonna be a really REALLY messy campaign season that will undoubtly do literally nothing to ontario and wynne will continue to rule with a hosed up iron fist (but no sleeves).

# ? Feb 16, 2018 21:27

Risky Bisquick: Jan 18, 2008; PLEASE LET ME WRITE YOUR VICTIM IMPACT STATEMENT SO I CAN FURTHER DEMONSTRATE THE CALAMITY THAT IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM.; Buglord

Le Saboteur posted:

So Patrick Brown was removed from Caucus today and then this motherfucker hits. https://twitter.com/LukewSavage/status/964595699068297216

Canadian politics is wild right now.

Aw yiss

# ? Feb 16, 2018 21:28

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flakeloaf: Feb 26, 2003; Still better than android clock

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not wearing sleeves is demeaning

# ? Feb 16, 2018 21:29

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