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EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Sonic Dude posted:

It’s actually not me, just trying to keep it vague for... I’m not sure why really. Upon some thought, I assume no one knows or cares about me or my work friends.

I didn’t assume they’re screwed forever, but it’s something like 3 years left on a recent “renewal” for a pest control thing, and they’re looking to move so I assume (and have been told loudly) that they aren’t interested in paying to treat a house they don’t own.

I’m not sure what the divorce decree says, I wonder if it’s even in there. My divorce had a bunch of minutiae about monetary debts and accounts but nothing about obligations like that (maybe it gets lumped in with the house and its “contents”), so I’m not sure if that’s a common thing to consider.

Is your friends name on the contract? If not, has he just considered not paying it? If his name isn’t on it, and it defaults, they’ll probably just send it to collections in whoever’s name is on the contract....

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Sonic Dude
May 6, 2009

Thanatosian posted:

Has your friend tried just calling and explaining the situation to the exterminator?
Yeah, I don’t know if the guy he talked with is a jerk or the place just really wants/needs the money, but it sounds like that didn’t go anywhere.

EwokEntourage posted:

Is your friends name on the contract? If not, has he just considered not paying it? If his name isn’t on it, and it defaults, they’ll probably just send it to collections in whoever’s name is on the contract....
The contract/agreement/whatever said both names at the top, but was only ever signed by the ex-spouse. I don’t assume he plans to pay it unless the lawyer had bad news for him after reading the thing.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

blarzgh posted:

In Texas its often more common to never "close" the probate because there's essentially no point. Once the estate is distributed, anything else will eventually SoL out of existence, so it's pointless to take the extra step of actually closing it.

But yeah, I would think you'd mention it to your client. I'd also think that unless there was some outstanding issue that was inside the SoL when you filed, but outside now, and didn't get handled in the distribution, then I don't know why telling the client would have an effect on anything.

Yeah, the estate hasn't been distributed. There's a PI case in the settlement negotiation stage and creditor claims that haven't been paid. I only found out the estate had been closed because the PI attorney CC'd me when contacting the probate attorney to find out what happened to the creditor claims on Odyssey.

I received this at about 5pm today and am pretty surprised.

blarzgh
Apr 14, 2009

SNITCHIN' RANDY
Grimey Drawer

NancyPants posted:

Yeah, the estate hasn't been distributed. There's a PI case in the settlement negotiation stage and creditor claims that haven't been paid. I only found out the estate had been closed because the PI attorney CC'd me when contacting the probate attorney to find out what happened to the creditor claims on Odyssey.

I received this at about 5pm today and am pretty surprised.

Weird.

Edit: also weird, that the Probate Court didn't go and grab that P I claim. It should have jurisdiction.

Your situation sounds complicated. Or maybe I don't understand how probate works up there in that Midwestern hell hole

TheJadedOne
Aug 13, 2004
So i need advice and thoughts on this. I am in North Carolina. I was fired from my job at the start of the 3rd week in January. While cleaning out my desk, the owner of the company said that he would send me a check valued at the average hours I worked for two weeks as a severance pay. I have audio recording of this exchange as well as audio/video from the police officer had had escorting me through the plant to get my stuff. I received the check later that week and deposited it. I just got notice from my bank of a stop payment put on the check. The amount was 926$. Do I have any legal recourse or is this just another level of them loving me over which I can't do anything about?

Devor
Nov 30, 2004
Lurking more.

Sonic Dude posted:

Yeah, I don’t know if the guy he talked with is a jerk or the place just really wants/needs the money, but it sounds like that didn’t go anywhere.

The contract/agreement/whatever said both names at the top, but was only ever signed by the ex-spouse. I don’t assume he plans to pay it unless the lawyer had bad news for him after reading the thing.

I wonder what the contract says about acceptable reasons for terminating early. It seems like a multi-year contract for treatment of a house would have 'selling the house' as a good reason to end it.

Depending on how the conversation went, the exterminator might have inferred that the husband was angling to get refunds, instead of just ending the contract moving forward due to selling the house

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


AlexJade posted:

So i need advice and thoughts on this. I am in North Carolina. I was fired from my job at the start of the 3rd week in January. While cleaning out my desk, the owner of the company said that he would send me a check valued at the average hours I worked for two weeks as a severance pay. I have audio recording of this exchange as well as audio/video from the police officer had had escorting me through the plant to get my stuff. I received the check later that week and deposited it. I just got notice from my bank of a stop payment put on the check. The amount was 926$. Do I have any legal recourse or is this just another level of them loving me over which I can't do anything about?

Did you, like...ask them about it?

TheJadedOne
Aug 13, 2004

Bad Munki posted:

Did you, like...ask them about it?

I haven't yet because I did not want to make contact before understanding where I stand in this.

BonerGhost
Mar 9, 2007

blarzgh posted:

Weird.

Edit: also weird, that the Probate Court didn't go and grab that P I claim. It should have jurisdiction.

Your situation sounds complicated. Or maybe I don't understand how probate works up there in that Midwestern hell hole

You are bang on the money about the situation and the hell hole. Protip for everyone: don't die in South Dakota. I know they try to lure folks in with the ~*~no income tax~*~ thing but it's not worth it.

Eric the Mauve
May 8, 2012

Making you happy for a buck since 199X

AlexJade posted:

So i need advice and thoughts on this. I am in North Carolina. I was fired from my job at the start of the 3rd week in January. While cleaning out my desk, the owner of the company said that he would send me a check valued at the average hours I worked for two weeks as a severance pay. I have audio recording of this exchange as well as audio/video from the police officer had had escorting me through the plant to get my stuff. I received the check later that week and deposited it. I just got notice from my bank of a stop payment put on the check. The amount was 926$. Do I have any legal recourse or is this just another level of them loving me over which I can't do anything about?

Sorry I can't be helpful--the answer is "you'd have to ask a lawyer but generally verbal promises aren't enforceable and just getting a lawyer to send a threatening letter would cost most of the money that's in dispute so you're hosed"--but man, you and your boss must have really had issues for them to go out of their way just to gently caress you over like that.

CaPensiPraxis
Feb 7, 2013

When in france...
If they straight up gave you a check that bounced though..

TheJadedOne
Aug 13, 2004
Return reason was Stop Payment which tells me he's screwing me over. Also he always hated me for being a queer with dyed hair and piercings.

Kolodny
Jul 10, 2010

How is the term “until” interpreted in congressional legislation, and why?
I’m trying to understand the meaning of the current Continuing Appropriations Act, and when it expires.
HR 195 amends PL 115-56 (Division D Section 106) to read “appropriations and funds made available and authority granted pursuant to this Act shall be available until whichever of the following first occurs: [...] February 8, 2018.”
To me, that means the appropriations expire the second the day is February 8, i.e. midnight the 7th. Black’s law dictionary says that “until” is most often interpreted that way, to exclude the date specified. But reading the news, it actually means the appropriations expire midnight the 8th? What am I misreading?

E: after thinking about it for a minute, is “occurs” the operative term here? That is, for February 8 to occur the entirety of February 8 must have occurred.

Kolodny fucked around with this message at 04:27 on Feb 8, 2018

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

Kolodny posted:

How is the term “until” interpreted in congressional legislation, and why?
I’m trying to understand the meaning of the current Continuing Appropriations Act, and when it expires.
HR 195 amends PL 115-56 (Division D Section 106) to read “appropriations and funds made available and authority granted pursuant to this Act shall be available until whichever of the following first occurs: [...] February 8, 2018.”
To me, that means the appropriations expire the second the day is February 8, i.e. midnight the 7th. Black’s law dictionary says that “until” is most often interpreted that way, to exclude the date specified. But reading the news, it actually means the appropriations expire midnight the 8th? What am I misreading?

E: after thinking about it for a minute, is “occurs” the operative term here? That is, for February 8 to occur the entirety of February 8 must have occurred.

Usually it includes the day mentioned, so until February 8 means up to and including February 8. This is also the common usage when a certain time isn’t specified. For example if you said you have until Tuesday to pay me back most people wouldn’t interpret that to mean Monday at 11:59pm

Also no one gives a poo poo what blacks law dictionary says anymore

obviously I fucked it
Oct 6, 2009

blarzgh posted:

You absolutely have a leak underground. Call a leak detection service asap

We did. It’s on the towns end of the pipe, huzzah. They’re going to adjust the bill. To what, I don’t know.

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


obviously I hosed it posted:

To what, I don’t know.

They'll adjust it all right...to the original $300 plus whatever it costs to fix it, itemized as, "Uhhh...'county service re-establishment fee,' yeah, that'll work"

For real, though, I have to admit I'm puzzled by this:

obviously I hosed it posted:

It’s on the towns end of the pipe
How does that work? In every place I've ever lived, the water utility's responsibility ends at the meter. If there's a leak they'd have the ability to charge you for (i.e. the leaked water is being metered) it'd be on your side of things. If it were on their side of things, it wouldn't show up on the meter, so you wouldn't get charged. What's the setup at your place that that's not the case? Do they take responsibility for the plumbing up to some demarkation point after the meter? :confused:

Bad Munki fucked around with this message at 01:14 on Feb 9, 2018

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Verbal contracts are generally enforceable not unenforceable . Statue of frauds is limited

mercenarynuker
Sep 10, 2008

euphronius posted:

Verbal contracts are generally enforceable not unenforceable . Statue of frauds is limited

To a non-lawyer, this reads like you're having a stroke

Bad Munki
Nov 4, 2008

We're all mad here.


He might be, you never know: lawyers are into some kinky poo poo.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Verbal contracts are generally enforceable. They are not generally unenforceable . The statute of frauds, which in part limits the enforceability of verbal contracts , is only applicable in a limited number of cases.

There is no general reason that verbal contracts are any less enforceable than written ones.

Phil Moscowitz
Feb 19, 2007

If blood be the price of admiralty,
Lord God, we ha' paid in full!
They're only "less enforceable" in that unlike written contracts, their terms are often more ambiguous, more subjective, and must be proven by testimony.

Modus Pwnens
Dec 29, 2004

Phil Moscowitz posted:

They're only "less enforceable" in that unlike written contracts, their terms are often more ambiguous, more subjective, and must be proven by testimony.

Unless there's a recording and they're in a one party consent state, right?

xxEightxx
Mar 5, 2010

Oh, it's true. You are Brock Landers!
Salad Prong

Modus Pwnens posted:

Unless there's a recording and they're in a one party consent state, right?

I’m not sure you’d win a privacy argument for a verbal contract if it were made for the purpose of invalidating the contract. Second the recording itself is what would be at issue not the existence of a contract, two separate analysis.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

So I just saw a thing where a private citizen was being sued by a company several states away.

My question is: If you get sued by a company do you have to actually travel to wherever they're suing you? Or do they at least have to sue you in your state?

EwokEntourage
Jun 10, 2008

BREYER: Actually, Antonin, you got it backwards. See, a power bottom is actually generating all the dissents by doing most of the work.

SCALIA: Stephen, I've heard that speed has something to do with it.

BREYER: Speed has everything to do with it.

spacetoaster posted:

So I just saw a thing where a private citizen was being sued by a company several states away.

My question is: If you get sued by a company do you have to actually travel to wherever they're suing you? Or do they at least have to sue you in your state?

Depends on whether the court in the state has jurisdiction (and maybe venue). It’s fact specific to an extent, and depends on the type of the lawsuit. A lot of times you can sue someone where the events giving rise to the lawsuit substantially occurred. So if you drove a few states over and trashed a store, that store could probably sue you in that state and count t where the store is. Some statues grant jurisdiction/venue and/or have mandatory venue rules, so it depends on the suit

Pancakes
May 21, 2001

Crypto-Rump Roast

spacetoaster posted:

So I just saw a thing where a private citizen was being sued by a company several states away.

My question is: If you get sued by a company do you have to actually travel to wherever they're suing you? Or do they at least have to sue you in your state?

Depends on a whole host of specific factors, but forum non conveniens would be a good place to start reading for general information.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

This is the part of the thread cycle where the laymen and lurkers realize that legal system is incredibly expensive to access and designed to totally gently caress over anyone without money.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

Yeah

You hire a lawyer to represent you in that locality or eat the default judgment.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

Pancakes posted:

Depends on a whole host of specific factors, but forum non conveniens would be a good place to start reading for general information.

Don’t start with FNC. FNC is a doctrine that says “I could be sued where you sued me, but it’s so inconvenient that it should be moved elsewhere.”

The question of whether you can even be sued in a place in the first place is whether the court has jurisdiction over you; first, whether they can exert personal jurisdiction, and second, whether they have subject matter jurisdiction - whether the subject of the suit is within the power of the court to hear.

For the question you’re asking about, personal jurisdiction is the starting point for your reading. Once you understand that topic, you can read about FNC.

Hot Dog Day #91
Jun 19, 2003

And although the court SHOULD make inquiry into service, personal jurisdiction, etc when they're presented with a default judgement - they never do.

sleepy.eyes
Sep 14, 2007

Like a pig in a chute.
Is it realistically possible to unfuck the American Legal system (assuming both Parties would cooperate) without burning it all to the ground and starting over? I was under the impression that the reason you need big bucks to get poo poo done is because it's labyrinthine.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

sleepy.eyes posted:

Is it realistically possible to unfuck the American Legal system (assuming both Parties would cooperate) without burning it all to the ground and starting over? I was under the impression that the reason you need big bucks to get poo poo done is because it's labyrinthine.

The system is not hosed. The civil system at least.

Why would you say it is.

Criminal system whoa boy.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012
There's a whole shitton you could do to make it more poor-friendly.

Kalman
Jan 17, 2010

sleepy.eyes posted:

Is it realistically possible to unfuck the American Legal system (assuming both Parties would cooperate) without burning it all to the ground and starting over? I was under the impression that the reason you need big bucks to get poo poo done is because it's labyrinthine.

Burning it all to the ground would just wind up making it worse.

sleepy.eyes
Sep 14, 2007

Like a pig in a chute.
I meant the criminal system.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

End racism and capitalism and then you could get a good criminal system.

fool of sound
Oct 10, 2012

sleepy.eyes posted:

I meant the criminal system.

Many of the rights of the accused we enjoy now were greatly expanded over the last 70 years or so. The criminal system is still seriously hosed up, but there is hope for progressive reform. The harder problem is the entanglement of the justice system with private capital, which is a travesty and also is very difficult to solve in a way that is remotely politically feasible. Also good ol racism, the problem that never goes away.

nm
Jan 28, 2008

"I saw Minos the Space Judge holding a golden sceptre and passing sentence upon the Martians. There he presided, and around him the noble Space Prosecutors sought the firm justice of space law."

euphronius posted:

The system is not hosed. The civil system at least.

Why would you say it is.

Criminal system whoa boy.

The civil system is actually even more stacked against the non-wealthy than the criminal. You just have to sit in unlawful detainer court for 5 minutes to figure that out.
They'll actually give you a lawyer in criminal.

Civil could be fixed to a large degree with a civil public defender, but lol if that will ever happen.

euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

There are pro bono civil defense in many states especially for abused women.

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euphronius
Feb 18, 2009

I mean I guess you could have the state pay for more civil defense.

But that is a more economic problem than legal problem. A problem of access.

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