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Kurtofan posted:You brits are booze hounds Have you seen the state of our country and everything in it?
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Have you seen the state of our country and everything in it? i think you're mixing cause and effect
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Feb 12, 2018 09:09
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Feb 12, 2018 10:32
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Yes....yessss As always, collapse already tory government, you're giving a lot of socialists blue balls
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Feb 12, 2018 13:15
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Barry Foster posted:Yes....yessss Give it time, when they go down I'd prefer they go down so hard we don't have to worry about them for a couple of decades.
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Feb 12, 2018 13:17
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As someone who works in the energy industry, please nationalise us. It really couldn't be run any worse than it is currently.
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Feb 12, 2018 13:17
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bump_fn posted:yeah its real cool having german technocrats destroy the entirety of greece cause their grandparents became nazis due to inflation lmao
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Feb 12, 2018 13:32
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Marxist-Jezzinist posted:It seems strange that you, the worthless turd elemental who shits up American politics threads, would not emphasize the fact that he said he would support workers cooperatives. i just find it funny that even the most left wing major party in the anglosphere has adopted the small business worship thing despite it being universally dumb as hell. like of course corbyn supports co-ops in addition to (and, privately, more than) other small businesses but it's still very funny to see a out-and-out socialist talking about how good his government will be for the petite bourgeois
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Feb 12, 2018 13:44
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i just find it funny that even the most left wing major party in the anglosphere has adopted the small business worship thing despite it being universally dumb as hell. like of course corbyn supports co-ops in addition to (and, privately, more than) other small businesses but it's still very funny to see a out-and-out socialist talking about how good his government will be for the petite bourgeois
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Feb 12, 2018 14:05
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i just find it funny that even the most left wing major party in the anglosphere has adopted the small business worship thing despite it being universally dumb as hell. like of course corbyn supports co-ops in addition to (and, privately, more than) other small businesses but it's still very funny to see a out-and-out socialist talking about how good his government will be for the petite bourgeois Dude, I run a small business doing science research specifically because multiple governments have destroyed my ability to do it in the public sector. (Bring back the loving GPO, it was the only thing I ever wanted to work for). You're really wrong about this poo poo. And fairly loving insulting.
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Feb 12, 2018 14:09
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Fallen Hamprince posted:i just find it funny that even the most left wing major party in the anglosphere has adopted the small business worship thing despite it being universally dumb as hell. like of course corbyn supports co-ops in addition to (and, privately, more than) other small businesses but it's still very funny to see a out-and-out socialist talking about how good his government will be for the petite bourgeois If you want to get elected in "a nation of shopkeepers" then you need to lie to the shopkeepers and pretend they aren't just as prone to being exploitative parasites as big business.
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Feb 12, 2018 14:17
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Carillion was a good example because it paid habitually paid its contractors 4 months late, meaning they all lost tonnes of money when it collapsed. Preventing large companies from doing that would help prevent those kinds of catastrophic shockwaves.
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Feb 12, 2018 14:18
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jBrereton posted:Many small businesses happen because people get thoroughly sick of their poo poo bosses and want to have a go at being self-employed. Labour's platform is not about small business worship, it is about making sure small businesses get paid on time by contractors, and have better access to training than they do now, because they know these things are often a passing fancy but that people who run them deserve not to be exploited by larger businesses, and the people working for them deserve not to be exploited by them due to poor conditions and opportunities for further development. This is very reasonable. *points to your contracting business* "Nationalized"
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Feb 12, 2018 14:19
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Fallen Hamprince posted:*points to your contracting business* "Nationalized" You have no idea how happy that'd make me.
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Feb 12, 2018 14:29
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Most small businesses tend to be really small and could be seen as people seizing the means of production. I think there's a Marxist case to be made for small and micro businesses that isn't invalidated just because *shock* they're out to make money which we need to survive in this society. It's basically the "you're a socialist so you have an iPhone eh? argument" Sure there are some small business tyrants but there are also loads of people just trying to cut out the middle man and get the benefits from their labour without having to kowtow and hand out to bosses
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Feb 12, 2018 14:47
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nopantsjack posted:Small businesses tend to be really small and could be seen as people seizing the means of production. The soviet union came to understand this process in the end. Just a bit too late. Goddamn it Gorby, you should have done better 
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Feb 12, 2018 14:50
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I think labour should go hard on small businesses really, not like as a primary goal but the tories don't give a gently caress about small businesses and they massively outnumber large businesses and tend to actually pay tax etc. It's an open goal waiting to be scored imo
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Feb 12, 2018 14:57
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nopantsjack posted:I think labour should go hard on small businesses really, not like as a primary goal but the tories don't give a gently caress about small businesses and they massively outnumber large businesses and tend to actually pay tax etc. It's fairly important, it's reckoned that at the moment we've got somewhere in the region of 5 to 6 million people either doing sole trading or running very small businesses, which didn't exist 10 years ago (used to be more like 500k). Entirely due to our public sector getting hosed or big businesses being so hosed up. They aren't gonna gently caress people like me over, I think John Mcdonell is rather counting on supporting us lot and using us to hedge against big business loving things up further. We'll see how it goes.
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Feb 12, 2018 15:03
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I'm just some distant observer, but it seems to me that small businesses are more likely to "fall prey" to Labour's planned policy to transition to worker co-ops by giving workers right-of-first-refusal to do so, and that this represents a good and peaceful transition to democratization of the workplace.
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Feb 12, 2018 15:16
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gradenko_2000 posted:I'm just some distant observer, but it seems to me that small businesses are more likely to "fall prey" to Labour's planned policy to transition to worker co-ops by giving workers right-of-first-refusal to do so, and that this represents a good and peaceful transition to democratization of the workplace. It's an excellent idea, what'll make it work or not is the amount external support from government available to someone like me to set it up locally.
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Feb 12, 2018 15:29
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How would the coop concept work for a small/micro business? Differently from normal I mean. would it just codify that you need equal working relationships or is there something more. I'm looking to potentially set up a sole trader business but the idea of these little coops is kinda exciting actually
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Feb 12, 2018 16:06
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nopantsjack posted:How would the coop concept work for a small/micro business? Differently from normal I mean. would it just codify that you need equal working relationships or is there something more. You'd put it in your company charter that the workers had some form of control. That's a legal binding agreement. Exactly how you'd do that is up for debate.
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Feb 12, 2018 16:11
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Hexyflexy posted:You'd put it in your company charter that the workers had some form of control. That's a legal binding agreement. Exactly how you'd do that is up for debate. I imagine that it's that each worker takes a share of the output after the outlays, alongside that you also have a charter that allows people to be part of a larger "unaligned workers" union that can come in and provide arbitration when needed? Just spitballing here.
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Feb 12, 2018 16:41
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forkboy84 posted:If you want to get elected in "a nation of shopkeepers" then you need to lie to the shopkeepers and pretend they aren't just as prone to being exploitative parasites as big business. Quite a lot of them go to the wall waiting on getting paid, because people like Carillion very deliberately do not pay them for a long time and hope they go into insolvency so they're not in a position to ever ask for their money.
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Feb 12, 2018 16:44
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God I hope are boy wins, if some loving Tory wins again or may lasts 5 years and corbyn gets shot by some daily mail Nazi I'm gonna... Well I'm gonna make some very pointed posts
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Feb 12, 2018 17:41
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I guess I'll have to run myself on a campaign of "corbyn was the compromise candidate, now it's full communism and gulags"
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Feb 12, 2018 17:42
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i, for one, will be mad online regardless of what happens
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Feb 12, 2018 17:42
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i searched for a hamprince gbs post so we could all be free of his posting for a while but I couldn't find one
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Feb 12, 2018 17:55
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just move the thread to gbs op
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Feb 12, 2018 18:00
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Jose posted:i searched for a hamprince gbs post so we could all be free of his posting for a while but I couldn't find one bamboozled again by the centrist menace
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Feb 12, 2018 18:48
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Jose posted:i searched for a hamprince gbs post so we could all be free of his posting for a while but I couldn't find one it turns out the real gbs... was u
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Feb 12, 2018 18:48
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*spends 2 hours scrolling past perfectly average GBS posts by RaceRealismKramer and BasedGoku88 in vain hopes of laying down a sick 6 hour on hamprince* (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 12, 2018 18:52
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i was going to queue a month but i've been foiled that you keep hyour awful posting in cspam
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Feb 12, 2018 19:00
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Wasn't Hampiss's original account pretty much a Hillary Clinton fan account? That's a better own than anyone else could lay on him lol
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Feb 12, 2018 19:25
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Hexyflexy posted:The soviet union came to understand this process in the end. Just a bit too late. Goddamn it Gorby, you should have done better Gorbachev's only sin was not having Yeltsin murdered
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Feb 12, 2018 19:48
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Jose posted:i was going to queue a month but i've been foiled that you keep hyour awful posting in cspam So uh, totally unrelated topic here. What would it take to get a CSPAM thread moved to gbs?
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Feb 12, 2018 20:39
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Helsing posted:So uh, totally unrelated topic here. What would it take to get a CSPAM thread moved to gbs? The canpol thread of beerchat and petty regionalism always belonged in gbs
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Feb 13, 2018 03:25
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I'm surprised there isn't an auscspam thread, but then again I doubt the forum would survive it.
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Feb 13, 2018 04:25
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avshalom is the prophet
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Baloogan posted:avshalom is the prophet literal truth
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