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Ugh http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2018-02-19-bayonetta-2-physical-switch-sales-down-on-wii-u Well, I guess launching it on a system no one had wasn't as much the problem as we'd like to think. Maybe things will pick up 
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it's funny when people trash talk NSMB for committing the abominable sin of "just being more good 2D mario games"
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Feb 19, 2018 20:47
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glam rock hamhock posted:Ugh wow, that's legitimately surprising to me
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Feb 19, 2018 20:48
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glam rock hamhock posted:Ugh This is only physical copies and for the U.K. not enough data so this is a useless news article. I bought Bayonetta 1 & 2 last night digitally on Switch. I also bought the games on Wii U when they originally came out on that system.
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oh physical copies only
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glam rock hamhock posted:Ugh I, for one, bought the WiiU version physically but the Switch version digitally. Hopefully others did the same.
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Feb 19, 2018 20:50
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glam rock hamhock posted:NSMB is good but it also doesn't rule. It's fine if not kind of boring. They are easily the worst Mario platformers however and their presentation kinda sucks yeah i think the nsmb games are good, just not super mario world good. plus maybe it's just the illusion of momentum from the 3d models but everything feels just a little imprecise to control compared to smw.
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Feb 19, 2018 20:50
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NSMB have good level design but honestly...I've always immensely disliked the art and have stopped playing all of them before credits
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Cardboard Box A posted:It's too bad HUNT is no longer coop RE4, this old video still looks great Gotta chase that sweet, sweet Battle Royal video game money
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Feb 19, 2018 20:58
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precision posted:it's funny when people trash talk NSMB for committing the abominable sin of "just being more good 2D mario games" It's more that it's average and kind of boring and forgettable. I mean if it were Mario good, then that would be something but as it is it's just sort of there and it's fine I guess I just expect more from that series. Good 2D platformers are not rare these days and most of them have more interesting things going on the NSMB. Why would I replay those when I could go for Rayman Origins/Legends which pretty much seemed to go in trying to ripoff NSMB and ended up just dunking on it on all levels?
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In Training posted:NSMB have good level design but honestly...I've always immensely disliked the art and have stopped playing all of them before credits if you made a mario maker level in the New style, your gamer licence should be revoked
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glam rock hamhock posted:It's more that it's average and kind of boring and forgettable. I mean, the worst of them (NSMB2 on 3DS) is definitely "too average to bother playing", but the first one and the Wii U one have some really great level design. They're solid, workmanlike games but yeah definitely not on the level of SMW or 3D World/Land.
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Feb 19, 2018 21:06
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FirstAidKite posted:I wish they'd just make another paper mario like the first two games dammit
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i've never been super big on 2d mario but i think the older 2d ones have lots of imagination and know to spice things up between games, while nsmb is just kind of. all the things i've never really liked about 2d mario without any of the inventiveness
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Endorph posted:shigeru miyamoto hates good video games, sadly I don't think it was him that made the decision to explicitly move away from the formula of the first two games. IIRC, it was some other person who decided specifically that paper mario had strayed too far from what made mario mario and that they needed to refocus it by taking away the partners and different species and focus on just having lots of toads and using the enemies the enemies that were already established in previous games. I also remember there being justification about how the mario & luigi games exist so it's a waste to have both mario & luigi as well as paper mario despite them being different kinds of rpgs with different styles and aesthetics.
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Feb 19, 2018 21:13
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miyamoto heard they were making a paper mario game with a story and walked into their offices and beat the poo poo out of them
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZ45KpBDJPo
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I've been dying to listen to this soundtrack, or even just consume anything about this game at all, but that fan translation is apparently juuuust around the corner so I gotta hold on
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Feb 19, 2018 21:27
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TBF after Super Paper Mario I agree that the series was straying to far from its Mario roots. That game barely feels like Mario at times. The new character designs are really weird and the plot is just silly. Sticker Star and Color Splash just go way too far in the opposite direction.
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FauxLeather posted:I've been dying to listen to this soundtrack, or even just consume anything about this game at all, but that fan translation is apparently juuuust around the corner so I gotta hold on whoa i didn't know a fan translation was happening. i'm super hyped if so Internet Kraken posted:TBF after Super Paper Mario I agree that the series was straying to far from its Mario roots. That game barely feels like Mario at times. The new character designs are really weird and the plot is just silly. i don't really like the specific direction spm took things but i think going in a super bizarre direction that almost makes it stop feeling like mario is fine. the capacity to be weird and inventive is why paper mario ruled. hell it's why mario odyssey rules The Colonel fucked around with this message at 21:36 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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This interview with color splash's co producer is what I was thinking of. https://www.usgamer.net/articles/risa-tabata-on-paper-mario-color-splash
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Feb 19, 2018 21:41
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Internet Kraken posted:TBF after Super Paper Mario I agree that the series was straying to far from its Mario roots. That game barely feels like Mario at times. The new character designs are really weird and the plot is just silly. (also, taken on its own SPM ruled; anyone who disagrees is either a nostalgia nerd or just devoid of taste  )
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Much like Kingdom Hearts, Super Paper Mario veers into telling a way more "serious" story than anyone ever asked it too and it's great. There's so much lore about wizards and tragic romances and past wars and why this girl is a butterfly and this man is an evil dark count and why this magic clown man is evil It owns
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Elephant Parade posted:(also, taken on its own SPM ruled; anyone who disagrees is either a nostalgia nerd or just devoid of taste Hell yes, SPM is a great game. Not a great follow up to TTYD but it’s still its own very good thing.
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Color Splash was fantastic.
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Unfortunately, Super Paper Mario has no loving respect to your time, and is just a dick to you unless you use a guide but I feel some parts are still cool
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I thought Super Pape Mario either played like a platformer with the pacing of a turned based RPG or an RPG with the depth of a simple platformer. All the weirdness was great but the actual gameplay was really not good and that's ignoring the busywork.
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super paper mario had a lot of issues but it had bits like needing to help a kid dump his fish bowl so you could use it as a makeshift space helmet and going to the space 7/11 to buy chocolate bars to open interdimensional space gates and that stuff owned and then you could go back to where you dumped the kid's fish hours later and find out that it grew loving shark-sized and had a family of weird little shark fishes The Colonel fucked around with this message at 21:54 on Feb 19, 2018 |
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super paper mario was tolerable enough for me to finish but other than that i have nothing to say about it
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The Colonel posted:whoa i didn't know a fan translation was happening. i'm super hyped if so I've been routinely revisiting this thread for any news for yonks. Sounds like it's real close to completion https://www.neogaf.com/threads/moon-remix-rpg-adventure-fan-translation-project-almost-done-testing-phase.871910/
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The Colonel posted:super paper mario had a lot of issues but it had bits like needing to help a kid dump his fish bowl so you could use it as a makeshift space helmet and going to the space 7/11 to buy chocolate bars to open interdimensional space gates and that stuff owned
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OG Paper Mario still the best Paper Mario. TTYD is dope too but I haven't replayed that one in a decade because Gamecube was the perfect system and we are sinners and will never be blessed with a GC VC.
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Expect My Mom posted:Much like Kingdom Hearts, Super Paper Mario veers into telling a way more "serious" story than anyone ever asked it too and it's great. There's so much lore about wizards and tragic romances and past wars and why this girl is a butterfly and this man is an evil dark count and why this magic clown man is evil Actually it sucks and is way too serious for a Mario game. I was glad when that stupid butterfly died.
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I think N64 Paper Mario moves just a lil too slow (an example being you can't do action commands the entire prologue) but it's a lot cuter and fluffier and I'm very fond of it. The Shy Guys have their own lil toybox world and are just having a good time. I replayed TTYD recently, doing everything that wasn't just getting collectibles or recipes and that game is still very good
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The general white hunt is still unforgivable though. I dunno what their deal is with just putting in parts that exist solely to waste the player's time.
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Internet Kraken posted:Actually it sucks and is way too serious for a Mario game.
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I was never as taken with TYD as most people. It certainly want bad but and I'm not gonna talk poo poo about it but it never grabbed me. Really for me I never had as much fun with the Mario RPGs as I did with the original Square SNES one. I do also remember really enjoying the original Mario and Luigi but I disliked the sequel and never picked the series back up.
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Please also play Bowser's Inside Story and then maybe none of the ones after it.
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Expect My Mom posted:you know you can make posts without being a gigantic bummer, right? You know you don't have to care that I hate the story in SPM right? Phantasium posted:Please also play Bowser's Inside Story and then maybe none of the ones after it. I thought I enjoyed Dream Team but then again I never bothered to finish it. I just didn't feel engaged with the setting or story that time around, even if the gameplay was really good. Never seen much of Paper Jam or heard people talk about it. FirstAidKite posted:The general white hunt is still unforgivable though. Pretty sure the Paper Mario devs just enjoy trolling their players. The amount of stuff that wastes your time with pointless busywork increases as you go from the first game to SPM. SPM in particular seems to actively hate completionists; when you do one of the 100 trial challenges, the game just tells you to do the entire thing again for no reason.
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SMRPG is really cool but it feels way more like a Square RPG that they put mario characters in and nowadays I don't feel it really matches with the rest of the series. It's weird and fun tho for sure
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