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Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer
Sony figured out a way to position a zoom lens horizontally in some of their compact cameras and it was awesome. It still took up space, but I wish they'd try something similar on smartphones. Instead they're going the route of separate camera lenses, each with a different focal length to emulate a zoom lens. Which works, but isn't quiet the same thing.

I think moving parts is as big an issue as space. Phones get jostled a lot more than compact cameras and it'd be pretty easy to mess up your zoom lens.

ladron posted:

every single one of you is an idiot for not stopping by putting your feet through a hole in the floorpan fred flintstone style

Perfect avatar/post combination.

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sarcastx
Feb 26, 2005



SEKCobra posted:

This already happens. There are 'virtual diffs' that are based entirely on braking the other wheels.

Hell, this whole statement is ridiculous,

I'm not sure if you got the point of the post; we are in agreement on mostlygray being hilariously wrong about driver aids.

The point I made wasn't that cars in the future can have torque vectoring and individually brake wheels (which they already do) - it's that in the future, they'll use these existing technologies in conjunction with camera and sensor data, and identify things like snow berms, ice patches and standing puddles of water and understand how they can be handled. mostlygray's point was that he can see and respond to stuff that cars don't - I'm saying that cars will see and respond to things in the future that they don't now, but are already infinitely better equipped to respond to them than luddite drivers.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

Horse Clocks posted:

Sure. you can’t magically push more bits down an older wire.

But at least do the courtesy of either
A) conveying to users it’s not working right.
B) make the connector physically different

so when I try and plug the 2001 era cable into my 8k tv it either tells me it’s only able to negotiate 8k@10hz and maybe I should upgrade my cable.
Or the plug doesn’t fit in the socket.

Instead of exhibiting one of many behaviours that mask the incompatibility.

I agree with suggestion A. It would be nice if there was an Auto-negotiate on HDMI like there is on ethernet. And I think that HDMI cables should have the bandwidth rating printed on them or some kind of rating system that more or less matched the HDMI version number.

I am GLAD that they do not use different physical connectors.


also holy poo poo, car talk.

SEKCobra
Feb 28, 2011

Hi
:saddowns: Don't look at my site :saddowns:

sarcastx posted:

I'm not sure if you got the point of the post; we are in agreement on mostlygray being hilariously wrong about driver aids.

The point I made wasn't that cars in the future can have torque vectoring and individually brake wheels (which they already do) - it's that in the future, they'll use these existing technologies in conjunction with camera and sensor data, and identify things like snow berms, ice patches and standing puddles of water and understand how they can be handled. mostlygray's point was that he can see and respond to stuff that cars don't - I'm saying that cars will see and respond to things in the future that they don't now, but are already infinitely better equipped to respond to them than luddite drivers.

Oh alright I missed that. The second part of my post wasn't aimed at you either way.

mostlygray
Nov 1, 2012

BURY ME AS I LIVED, A FREE MAN ON THE CLUTCH

Randaconda posted:

sir this a mcdonald's drive-thru

Now that made me laugh my rear end off. Time for me to put on my snowshoes and coyote pelt hat and ride my mammoth to work. Stupid snowshoes, life was so much better barefoot.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012

ladron posted:

every single one of you is an idiot for not stopping by putting your feet through a hole in the floorpan fred flintstone style

It's okay, now that emergency brake assist is mandatory in most cars it doesn't really even matter since it'll just max out brake pressure if you hit the brakes fast enough. Which is great because apparently something like 9 out of 10 drivers don't apply enough force while emergency braking.

e: I'm too lazy to look them up but I'm pretty sure ABS, emergency brake assist and stability control being slowly made mandatory over the years has had a ridiculous positive effect on road safety, and anyone going "I don't need them" is probably a huge loving moron

champagne posting
Apr 5, 2006

YOU ARE A BRAIN
IN A BUNKER

Lowen SoDium posted:

I agree with suggestion A. It would be nice if there was an Auto-negotiate on HDMI like there is on ethernet. And I think that HDMI cables should have the bandwidth rating printed on them or some kind of rating system that more or less matched the HDMI version number.

I am GLAD that they do not use different physical connectors.


also holy poo poo, car talk.

Dunno, we could’ve had a situation like usb micro with extended side wagon

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Did someone already mention the best thing about ABS - that you can actually steer the loving car while continuously braking as hard as you can? You literally can't do that without ABS.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
We should definitely design car safety systems based on what the top 10% of drivers can do 10% of the time.

Ruflux
Jun 16, 2012

Jerry Cotton posted:

Did someone already mention the best thing about ABS - that you can actually steer the loving car while continuously braking as hard as you can? You literally can't do that without ABS.

Yeah seriously how loving stupid do you have to be to think you can somehow outperform ABS? Newer systems can even let the wheels lock up while on loose surfaces like gravel and traveling straight to maximize braking, while still immediately allowing for steering should the driver want to alter direction.

flatluigi
Apr 23, 2008

here come the planes
plot twist: the option to disable ABS doesn't actually work in their car and it's all in mostlygray's head that there's any difference

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011

flatluigi posted:

plot twist: the option to disable ABS doesn't actually work in their car and it's all in mostlygray's head that there's any difference

This is actually true with some cars.

Collateral Damage
Jun 13, 2009

It's like office thermostats. You think you're adjusting the temperature and you feel warmer, but all the visible thermostat knob does is change a little display or the color of a LED, without actually affecting the temperature.

spog
Aug 7, 2004

It's your own bloody fault.

Krispy Wafer posted:

I treated my wife to 90 minutes at the Porsche Driving Experience a few years ago. On the training track they have an area where a kick plate slaps your rear tires to the right or left as you drive over. The idea is you do it once with traction control and it's like, "whoa, what was that" and then you do it again with traction control turned off.

2 spins. That seemed to be the average. 2 to 3 complete 360's while the experienced driving enthusiast desperately tries to regain control. There are definitely situations where traction control can and should be turned off, which is why it's an on/off toggle on your dashboard. But to think you can outdrive a computer is some pretty sad hubris.

Not to take anything away from your excellent point, but aren't 911s a bit of an oddity in that without the fancy computers, they are all balanced wrong and naturally spinny.

Queen_Combat
Jan 15, 2011
They're still perfectly functional cars. It's when you take them to the edge of normal driving and into "sport" driving that their flaws compared to other sports cars become apparent. They are not like a modern fighter jet in that they literally don't function without "fancy computers," (remember, the first 911 was air-cooled in the pre-computer age), it's just that computerized suspension and traction control and differential and braking is an attempt to make them competitive in their category with a somewhat flawed design. Once you get into a spin, then yeah they are at a bit of a disadvantage.

Also not every Porsche is a 911.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
Remember that scene in Die Hard 3 when McClain pulled the fuzes out of the car so he could disable the ABS and do a 360 on a wet highway and shoot a car that was chasing him?

poo poo was awesome.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

Lowen SoDium posted:

Remember that scene in Die Hard 3 when McClain pulled the fuzes out of the car so he could disable the ABS and do a 360 on a wet highway and shoot a car that was chasing him?

poo poo was awesome.

I remember my dad driving one of these https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C5%A0koda_120 and trying to overtake on a snowy road did this exact same maneuver except the car chasing us continued driving steadily while we ended up in a ditch. Also there was no ABS or seatbelts in the back.

The crash tests are hilarious

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ydOaxOwOrc0

GreenNight
Feb 19, 2006
Turning the light on the darkest places, you and I know we got to face this now. We got to face this now.

I want one of these.

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry

GreenNight posted:

I want one of these.



It only displays images of that one guy, you know.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX

Lowen SoDium posted:

It only displays images of that one guy, you know.

It's a drat fine guy too.

ReidRansom
Oct 25, 2004


GreenNight posted:

I want one of these.



Since the receiver looks to be separate, you could probably rig it to display a modern signal.

Code Jockey
Jan 24, 2006

69420 basic bytes free

Lowen SoDium posted:

It only displays images of that one guy, you know.

I fail to see the problem here

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

GreenNight posted:

I want one of these.


In a way, it's a bit sad that analog aerial broadcasting is almost dead in civilized countries. Image the devices we could watch TV on without requiring internet, a receiver box or anything. Ah well, maybe it's just nostalgia talking. I can watch public TV on my phone via the internet if I want to.

Proteus Jones
Feb 28, 2013



Pilsner posted:

In a way, it's a bit sad that analog aerial broadcasting is almost dead in civilized countries. Image the devices we could watch TV on without requiring internet, a receiver box or anything. Ah well, maybe it's just nostalgia talking. I can watch public TV on my phone via the internet if I want to.

Unless you haven’t purchased a TV in the last 15 years, you can also connect your tv directly to an HD antenna as well.

I do this. Well I did, then I got an HDHomeRun so I could also watch broadcast TV on one of my monitors in my home office as well.

ynohtna
Feb 16, 2007

backwoods compatible
Illegal Hen

GreenNight posted:

I want one of these.



Wanna swipe right on that watch.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

spog posted:

Not to take anything away from your excellent point, but aren't 911s a bit of an oddity in that without the fancy computers, they are all balanced wrong and naturally spinny.

Neither my wife nor I actually like Porsches so I know almost nothing about the cars. This was just a neat way for her to test her driving skills on a real automaker proving ground. I have no doubt modern 911's are twitchy as hell without their computers, but man - with their computers they're something else.

Random factoid, that Porsche facility was the European airport in the last Captain America movie.

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Metal Geir Skogul posted:

:toxx: if The Floppotron ever does the DuckTales theme, I listen to it on repeat during my 45+ minute commute, daily for a week (3 days of work), and upload the entire dashcam + audio footage to YouTube.

Closest to it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s0EvKqiods

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ldPYgPVYm0

Then of course Brentalfloss did an arrangement with lyrics:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHEgzRtKC5o

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Pham Nuwen
Oct 30, 2010



Proteus Jones posted:

Unless you haven’t purchased a TV in the last 15 years, you can also connect your tv directly to an HD antenna as well.

I do this. Well I did, then I got an HDHomeRun so I could also watch broadcast TV on one of my monitors in my home office as well.

Every $10 Chinese-made featurephone seems capable of picking up analog TV and digital formats from other countries (DVB, I think?) but not ATSC as used in the US. I don't know what makes ATSC different, but it seems like it's a lot more expensive to receive it and you're stuck with either the built-in TV decoder or a relatively expensive box like HDHomeRun.

Propagation characteristics of digital TV is kind of garbage, too, just like digital radio. All the local stations are on a 5,000 foot mountain 10 miles from my house and on any given day, several channels might just plain not work at all. When I was a kid, we watched analog TV broadcast from over 100 miles away with just bunny ears on top of the set.

Edit: And the weak-signal performance of digital is bad too. Analog TV just gets kind of fuzzy, degrading gently with increased static in both video and audio. Digital TV loses big blocks of picture for seconds at a time and the audio drops randomly. :bahgawd:

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TinTower
Apr 21, 2010

You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a hero.
So what you're saying is that DTT is like EMV; America fucks up something every other country has done without issue.

Speaking of digital transmission, DAB usage in the UK is now incredibly close to the switchover trigger.

ookiimarukochan
Apr 4, 2011
The US deliberately picked a shittier system due to a mix of not-invented-here and the NAB wanting to sell a lot of their spectrum to "internet providers" (this happened in the 90s) - ISDB is basically DVB only with higher maximum bitrates (because Japan wanted to launch DTV with HDTV support)

Jedit
Dec 10, 2011

Proudly supporting vanilla legends 1994-2014

Trabant posted:

You don't get it, he's Steve McQueen reborn.

Doesn't seem likely, he's happy with three gears instead of 30.

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

TinTower posted:

Speaking of digital transmission, DAB usage in the UK is now incredibly close to the switchover trigger.

DAB is a good call for this thread, since it is both obsolete and failed.

Imagine having the gall to issue a press release boasting that your garbage platform accounts for ALMOST half of radio listening, and it only took twenty years! Let's hurry up and switch off FM (lol) so the other half can start enjoying music stations in glorious 64kbps Mono. I was going to make some sort of joke about how Spotify's free tier is audiophile grade in comparison but gently caress, it genuinely is.

Creature
Mar 9, 2009

We've already seen a dead horse
My problem with DAB is that they advertise it as ‘CD quality audio’ but unless you want to spend obscene amounts of money on equipment, standalone digital radios only have one mono speaker.

I’ve had four different digital radios over the last decade (yes, I am a sucker) and the audio quality hasn’t gotten any better. Pretty much the only difference between the model I have now and the one I bought in 2008 is that the new one has a colour screen and Spotify support.

Grumbletron 4000
Nov 30, 2002

Where you want it, bitch.
College Slice

Proteus Jones posted:

Unless you haven’t purchased a TV in the last 15 years, you can also connect your tv directly to an HD antenna as well.

I do this. Well I did, then I got an HDHomeRun so I could also watch broadcast TV on one of my monitors in my home office as well.

I'm imagining the menagerie of poo poo you'd need to watch broadcast tv on that watch. Now I'm imagining the sort of rear end in a top hat that would be sitting at Starbucks with all that poo poo hooked up and squinting at that tiny little screen while there's an iPhone in his pocket.

Having said that, I would have been the coolest kid in school if I had that bad boy back in the day.

Pilsner
Nov 23, 2002

What's the difference between these two things?

The C64 Mini Computer

The 64

Is the first one an official C64 emulator, and the second one just a small generic computer in a C64-like box?

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Pham Nuwen posted:

Every $10 Chinese-made featurephone seems capable of picking up analog TV and digital formats from other countries (DVB, I think?) but not ATSC as used in the US. I don't know what makes ATSC different, but it seems like it's a lot more expensive to receive it and you're stuck with either the built-in TV decoder or a relatively expensive box like HDHomeRun.

Propagation characteristics of digital TV is kind of garbage, too, just like digital radio. All the local stations are on a 5,000 foot mountain 10 miles from my house and on any given day, several channels might just plain not work at all. When I was a kid, we watched analog TV broadcast from over 100 miles away with just bunny ears on top of the set.

Edit: And the weak-signal performance of digital is bad too. Analog TV just gets kind of fuzzy, degrading gently with increased static in both video and audio. Digital TV loses big blocks of picture for seconds at a time and the audio drops randomly. :bahgawd:

The big issue with ATSC is that it uses 8VSB modulation instead of OFDM like every other standard in the world. 8VSB has awful multi-path performance which is why reception while moving is terrible and people complain about the picture breaking up when the leaves on the trees move even when they can see the broadcast towers from their home. Even back in the 90s people knew 8VSB had issues and argued for using OFDM in ATSC like every other digital broadcast standard on earth, but Zenith had a patent on 8VSB and were buddies with the decision makers so that was that.

The new ATSC 3.0 standard uses OFDM, but it's not backwards compatible with the current ATSC standard so you're going to need either an external tuner or new display to receive it. ATSC is only about 20 years old, ATSC tuners only became standard equipment a little over a decade ago, the digital transition happened less than 10 years ago and they're already talking about doing it again.

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Lurking Haro
Oct 27, 2009

Pilsner posted:

What's the difference between these two things?

The C64 Mini Computer

The 64

Is the first one an official C64 emulator, and the second one just a small generic computer in a C64-like box?

First one is an emulator like the NES Mini, the second looks like it wants to be a souped up clone.

Horace
Apr 17, 2007

Gone Skiin'

Creature posted:

My problem with DAB is that they advertise it as ‘CD quality audio’ but unless you want to spend obscene amounts of money on equipment, standalone digital radios only have one mono speaker.

I’ve had four different digital radios over the last decade (yes, I am a sucker) and the audio quality hasn’t gotten any better. Pretty much the only difference between the model I have now and the one I bought in 2008 is that the new one has a colour screen and Spotify support.

That 'CD quality audio' boast was quietly dropped a long time ago. Click that link I posted - bitrates have plummeted to the bare minimum for every single station. The single speaker on your DAB set is perfectly fine if you're listening to one of the dozens of stations which now only broadcast in mono. They're going to turn off FM because the future of radio is mono music stations. Seriously.

I too bought several digital radios (it's the future!!!) in the past decade or so, but the last few times I bought audio equipment (car and house) I didn't even look for DAB. I bought two car radios without it, phone connectivity was far more important.

ryonguy
Jun 27, 2013

Horace posted:

FM ... radio

Speaking of obsolete technology, broadcast, well, anything. Being stuck listening to a set program list or with music picked by a stranger is utterly alien to me at this point.

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Fo3
Feb 14, 2004

RAAAAARGH!!!! GIFT CARDS ARE FUCKING RETARDED!!!!

(I need a hug)

Pham Nuwen posted:

Every $10 Chinese-made featurephone seems capable of picking up analog TV and digital formats from other countries (DVB, I think?) but not ATSC as used in the US. I don't know what makes ATSC different, but it seems like it's a lot more expensive to receive it and you're stuck with either the built-in TV decoder or a relatively expensive box like HDHomeRun.

Propagation characteristics of digital TV is kind of garbage, too, just like digital radio. All the local stations are on a 5,000 foot mountain 10 miles from my house and on any given day, several channels might just plain not work at all. When I was a kid, we watched analog TV broadcast from over 100 miles away with just bunny ears on top of the set.

Edit: And the weak-signal performance of digital is bad too. Analog TV just gets kind of fuzzy, degrading gently with increased static in both video and audio. Digital TV loses big blocks of picture for seconds at a time and the audio drops randomly. :bahgawd:

I think the point was analogue TV is dead. So all these old receivers like CRT, portables, car, or in the example watches are useless. Anything pre 2006 ish? in australia is useless. There's still transmitted digital TV free to air here, but all the older stuff doesn't work without a "set top box" mains/ household antenna receiver. Not much chop for your car/boat/caravan/watch, and it's getting increasingly hard to find good ones even for household use, like if your old LCD inbuilt digital tuner died or you want reception for your old monitor or crt - answer these days is buy some new lovely cheap china lcd tv if you want terrestrial broadcast digital tv because it's hard/impossible to get something to work on things without an inbuilt digital receiver and a huge household antenna for the reasons you mentioned.

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