Vermintide 2: Finding Dawri

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Kaddish: Feb 7, 2002

Nfcknblvbl posted:

Is the beam staff supposed to be used like this in single target boss fights?

https://clips.twitch.tv/CoyLovelyLionPrimeMe

Seems kind of powerful.

Yes, it's insanely powerful. I imagine it will be toned down eventually.

Though with the new crit tick fix I think it's probably better to not use the snipe on a boss and just keep the beam on its head. It kills any special with ease though.

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Nfcknblvbl: Jul 15, 2002

Kaddish posted:

Yes, it's insanely powerful. I imagine it will be toned down eventually.

Though with the new crit tick fix I think it's probably better to not use the snipe on a boss and just keep the beam on its head. It kills any special with ease though.

Nice, thanks.

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Fishstick: Jul 9, 2005; Does not require preheating

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# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:10

RBA Starblade: Apr 28, 2008; Going Home.

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Rats Too is pretty good so far!

Dwarf remains best in class

# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:20

Mendrian: Jan 6, 2013

We fought Barbecue Hufflepuff last night on Champion. Our Kruber shoulder slammed him just as he tried to teleport and the boss wound up frozen in place, where we just wailed on him until he died. Curious if they fixed that behavior or not.

# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:39

Ammanas: Jul 17, 2005; Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Mendrian posted:

We fought Barbecue Hufflepuff last night on Champion. Our Kruber shoulder slammed him just as he tried to teleport and the boss wound up frozen in place, where we just wailed on him until he died. Curious if they fixed that behavior or not.

I poked him through the ceiling on one of his perches, he glitched forward and immediately died.

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Phlegmish: Jul 2, 2011

I just fought him and died because my teammates decided to pick up two grims even though it was obvious we would have struggled even at full health

# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:43

AggressivelyStupid: Jan 9, 2012

fadam posted:

This is going to sound dumb, but does anyone know if there's a reliable way to suicide off a cliff edge as Bright Wizard? I can't get the teleport to work.

I wrote a really basic AHK leveling script that queues for the cliff map, runs into the bridge, waits for the ultimate to charge, then uses a dash/jump to suicide (shoutouts to the guy who posted this strat in here earlier), and BW is the only class I can't get to work.

uninstall

# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:52

Node: May 20, 2001; KICKED IN THE COOTER; Taco Defender

Is champion pickup groups a waste of time? I'm having no goddamn luck with them.

# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:59

Mendrian: Jan 6, 2013

AggressivelyStupid posted:

uninstall

Not empty quoting.

EDIT: I just don't get the appeal. Leveling in this game allows you to take on harder difficulties, or to do easier difficulties while trivializing the content of those difficulties. If you take on Champion with a level 30 you've never played and have no practical experience, you'll just lose. The basic rat-bashing gameplay is the same at all difficulties so again... why?

Is it just pure skinnerbox fixation?

Mendrian fucked around with this message at 00:04 on Mar 21, 2018

# ? Mar 20, 2018 23:59

Motherfucker: Jul 16, 2011; I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Mendrian posted:

Not empty quoting.

EDIT: I just don't get the appeal. Leveling in this game allows you to take on harder difficulties, or to do easier difficulties while trivializing the content of those difficulties. If you take on Champion with a level 30 you've never played and have no practical experience, you'll just lose. The basic rat-bashing gameplay is the same at all difficulties so again... why?

Is it just pure skinnerbox fixation?

to play devils advocate its because a lot of content is gated behind what amounts to arbitrary 'checkpoints', its less like MMO levels where there's a sense of progression and more like if Left4Dead forced you to play with the smg before you could use the m16.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:10

Real Cool Catfish: Jun 6, 2011

ChickenWing posted:

It'd be neat if they changed beamstaff to escalate damage the longer it stays on target to give it its own sort of niche as a dedicated bosskiller, with the fireblast as a secondary panic button to give you time to swap over to melee.

It actually already does this up to a point, try it on the training dummy!

Also argh steam maintenance.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:13

Ammanas: Jul 17, 2005; Voltes V: "Laser swooooooooord!"

Node posted:

Is champion pickup groups a waste of time? I'm having no goddamn luck with them.

Luck meaning you get wiped a lot? Eh idk but veteran and below is just dull with no FF. I lose a lot of champ runs and I finish a lot of champ runs, it really depends on how naturally cohesive the group is and how good the Sienna player is.

Any particular reason the game cant connect to steam? There are rats that need bashing.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:13

Motherfucker: Jul 16, 2011; I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Real Cool Catfish posted:

It actually already does this up to a point, try it on the training dummy!

Also argh steam maintenance.

huh, I mean evidently its not noticeable enough because I tend to use the beam like a laser sight and the moment it touches their face I blow it up and that works invariably amazing in all circumstances.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:14

Phlegmish: Jul 2, 2011

I'm all about that sense of progression, I'm actually dreading the day all my heroes are maxed out

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:14

Real Cool Catfish: Jun 6, 2011

Motherfucker posted:

huh, I mean evidently its not noticeable enough because I tend to use the beam like a laser sight and the moment it touches their face I blow it up and that works invariably amazing in all circumstances.

Quick double checking on a training dummy (when steam lets me :argh:

), it ramps up from 75 to 900 over a second and a half then stays there. Resets if you move the beam off then back onto it.

Hmm, maybe I should try moving the beam slowly across distant hordes.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:19

ZombyDog: Jul 11, 2001; Ere to fix yer gubbinz

I enjoy playing Pyro beam Wizard, but yeah it does feel way overtuned and I start thinking that I'm pretty good. Playing Saltz, Kruber and the Dwarf brings me back to earth wrt my lack of skill because I can't help but take lots of damage. Saltzpyre's falchion is brutal but I'm always taking a lot of damage, and I'm just not getting the timing right for Kruber's and Bardin's big two handers. I just started playing the Elf last night though and boy I love the spear & glaive for staying out of trouble and clearing hoardes without getting hit back.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:21

Motherfucker: Jul 16, 2011; I certainly dont have deep-seated issues involving birthdays.

Real Cool Catfish posted:

Quick double checking on a training dummy (when steam lets me ), it ramps up from 75 to 900 over a second and a half then stays there. Resets if you move the beam off then back onto it.

Hmm, maybe I should try moving the beam slowly across distant hordes.

Oh you mean the beam itself damage... I'm talking the rightclick 'explosion' which does a sniper style 'explosion' where you have your beam.

That does ridick damage always and requires only you can keep them in your beam for a microinstant. Sometimes you don't even see the beam

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:23

Real Cool Catfish: Jun 6, 2011

Just sitting in a keep where two players kept trying to kick a lvl 16 for knight because �they wanted easy games and needed level 25 +�.

They only explained this after first calling me retarded because I voted no.

People suck. I left them to it.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:26

Redundant: Sep 24, 2011; Even robots have feelings!

Phlegmish posted:

I'm all about that sense of progression, I'm actually dreading the day all my heroes are maxed out

Where else will I get easy commendation boxes? The loot tap has already started to slow down a little and I'm only level 14.

Also I have only realised the beam staff can blow stuff up at range because the thread told me. I'm apparently a terrible Sienna! I look forward to making my numbers even larger when I next get to play.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:28

Gonkish: May 19, 2004

Kaddish posted:

Yes, it's insanely powerful. I imagine it will be toned down eventually.

Though with the new crit tick fix I think it's probably better to not use the snipe on a boss and just keep the beam on its head. It kills any special with ease though.

Yeah, the beam staff is pretty silly, but I love it.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:28

Mendrian: Jan 6, 2013

Real Cool Catfish posted:

Just sitting in a keep where two players kept trying to kick a lvl 16 for knight because �they wanted easy games and needed level 25 +�.

They only explained this after first calling me retarded because I voted no.

People suck. I left them to it.

I was gonna ask if this was for Vet or Champ but honestly it doesn't loving matter.

I played with some guy in Champ the other night who I think was a level 14 Krub and he owned.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:29

Redundant: Sep 24, 2011; Even robots have feelings!

Levels seem to mean very little when item level carries over to every hero.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:31

Voyager I: Jun 29, 2012; This is how your posting feels.
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Redundant posted:

Levels seem to mean very little when item level carries over to every hero.

It can matter with regard to key talents (ammo regen at 15, temp health at 20), and people may not have good weapons for their alts which will cut into their hero power a little bit, but on Veteran a level 14 Kruber can probably already faceroll.

Voyager I fucked around with this message at 00:36 on Mar 21, 2018

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:33

Mr. Meagles: Apr 30, 2004; Out here, everything hurts

So, you learn something new about this game every day.

I had no idea that Rush Intervention was ACTUALLY a thing, and count me as one of the people that thought it was all in my head. When a team leaves you behind, or you run ahead, the game actually does intentionally spawn poo poo that is meant to gently caress you over, specials, hordes.

code:

rush_intervention = {
			loneliness_value_for_ambush_horde = 25,
			delay_between_interventions = 30,
			chance_of_ambush_horde = 0.25,
			loneliness_value_for_special = 15,
			distance_until_next_intervention = 30,
			breeds = {
				"skaven_pack_master",
				"skaven_gutter_runner"
			}
		}
	},

This is something that apparently existed in VT1, but really more people need to know about this. I had no idea.

STICK TOGETHER

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:36

SuperKlaus: Oct 20, 2005; Fun Shoe

Vargs posted:

(re: Shade vs Chaos Warrior groups)
You can do this with Handmaiden/Waystalker too though.

Yes, I'm afraid I don't know what he means. The Stealth breaks as soon as you attack so you don't have time to Glaive one-two, right? Especially given what Trueflight Volley can do to a Chaos Warrior I don't see the Shade having a niche against them compared to the other elves. Thus I think her active should change from a nuke-strike to a short-duration aggro immunity + damage buff.

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AndyElusive: Jan 7, 2007

Tom Gorman posted:

So, you learn something new about this game every day.

I had no idea that Rush Intervention was ACTUALLY a thing, and count me as one of the people that thought it was all in my head. When a team leaves you behind, or you run ahead, the game actually does intentionally spawn poo poo that is meant to gently caress you over, specials, hordes.
code:
rush_intervention = {
			loneliness_value_for_ambush_horde = 25,
			delay_between_interventions = 30,
			chance_of_ambush_horde = 0.25,
			loneliness_value_for_special = 15,
			distance_until_next_intervention = 30,
			breeds = {
				"skaven_pack_master",
				"skaven_gutter_runner"
			}
		}
	},
This is something that apparently existed in VT1, but really more people need to know about this. I had no idea.

STICK TOGETHER

Go figure.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:43

Ra Ra Rasputin: Apr 2, 2011

Real Cool Catfish posted:

Just sitting in a keep where two players kept trying to kick a lvl 16 for knight because �they wanted easy games and needed level 25 +�.

They only explained this after first calling me retarded because I voted no.

People suck. I left them to it.

Host kicked a level 14 knight, I asked why, he said too low power level, I said I was doing champion runs since level 10 on my now 30 dwarf and he kicked me :shrug:

# ? Mar 21, 2018 00:52

Buck Wildman: Mar 30, 2010; I am Metango, Galactic Governor

Real Cool Catfish posted:

Just sitting in a keep where two players kept trying to kick a lvl 16 for knight because �they wanted easy games and needed level 25 +�.

They only explained this after first calling me retarded because I voted no.

People suck. I left them to it.

Ra Ra Rasputin posted:

Host kicked a level 14 knight, I asked why, he said too low power level, I said I was doing champion runs since level 10 on my now 30 dwarf and he kicked me

No joke, this is why I exclusively play with the Discord. You people are better than I deserve.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:02

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

one of my only champion rounds so far i was SIR KRUBER and also the only one with a basic understanding of blocking and pushing and positioning, so the slayer, elf and pyro all died during the finale on righteous stand while i survived the last quarter of it solo until i could pick them up to go pick up the dropped tomes :v:

definitely nowhere near 600 power level

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:04

Coolguye: Jul 6, 2011; Required by his programming!

Redundant posted:

Levels seem to mean very little when item level carries over to every hero.

the difference of 100, 200, or 300 hero power for simply existing is huge. i love this game to pieces but i can DEFINITELY understand wanting to get to the destination. the journey is super important in this game the first time - the next 4, not so much.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:08

President Evil: Oct 10, 2012

fadam posted:

This is going to sound dumb, but does anyone know if there's a reliable way to suicide off a cliff edge as Bright Wizard? I can't get the teleport to work.

I wrote a really basic AHK leveling script that queues for the cliff map, runs into the bridge, waits for the ultimate to charge, then uses a dash/jump to suicide (shoutouts to the guy who posted this strat in here earlier), and BW is the only class I can't get to work.

Try overheating and then walking off the cliff during the overheat animation.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:09

Kanos: Sep 6, 2006; was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

You absolutely do not need the level 20 temp health or even the level 15 talents to do all book runs on Champion. I've leveled all of my characters after Kruber(my first and "main") from like level 8 on in Champion exclusively doing almost entirely pugs.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:14

atelier morgan: Mar 11, 2003; super-scientific, ultra-gay; Lipstick Apathy

Kanos posted:

You absolutely do not need the level 20 temp health or even the level 15 talents to do all book runs on Champion. I've leveled all of my characters after Kruber(my first and "main") from like level 8 on in Champion exclusively doing almost entirely pugs.

The temp health is a huge leg up if you're doing pugs though because they're not gonna stop you from getting stabbed in the rear end by rats at all

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:17

Kanos: Sep 6, 2006; was there a time when speedwagon didn't get trolled

UberJew posted:

The temp health is a huge leg up if you're doing pugs though because they're not gonna stop you from getting stabbed in the rear end by rats at all

The key is to understand that you don't have temp health gain so your best bet is to play the rearguard and be the one stopping them from getting butt ratted. Pubs will always be killing things in front of them but only rarely will they look behind them, so you do that job for them.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:19

A 50S RAYGUN: Aug 22, 2011

Tom Gorman posted:

So, you learn something new about this game every day.

I had no idea that Rush Intervention was ACTUALLY a thing, and count me as one of the people that thought it was all in my head. When a team leaves you behind, or you run ahead, the game actually does intentionally spawn poo poo that is meant to gently caress you over, specials, hordes.
code:
rush_intervention = {
			loneliness_value_for_ambush_horde = 25,
			delay_between_interventions = 30,
			chance_of_ambush_horde = 0.25,
			loneliness_value_for_special = 15,
			distance_until_next_intervention = 30,
			breeds = {
				"skaven_pack_master",
				"skaven_gutter_runner"
			}
		}
	},
This is something that apparently existed in VT1, but really more people need to know about this. I had no idea.

STICK TOGETHER

the people who were gonna stick together already do, and the people who don't probably will not start just because there is proof they should.

this has been the case since literally l4d1.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:21

Mr. Meagles: Apr 30, 2004; Out here, everything hurts

A 50S RAYGUN posted:

the people who were gonna stick together already do, and the people who don't probably will not start just because there is proof they should.

this has been the case since literally l4d1.

I'm just saying its one of those things some people think is superstition or a matter of perception, but it's actually real.

It may be helpful for new players coming to the thread. It would have helped me, having passed on VT1 and playing only a couple hours of Left 4 Dead.

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:24

tangy yet delightful: Sep 13, 2005

Phlegmish posted:

I'm all about that sense of progression, I'm actually dreading the day all my heroes are maxed out

If you check your inventory screen you will see that they actually show 30 + 1 or 2 etc for how many levels past 30 you've gotten. And you still get commendation boxes. :eng101:

# ? Mar 21, 2018 01:57

Buck Wildman: Mar 30, 2010; I am Metango, Galactic Governor

tangy yet delightful posted:

If you check your inventory screen you will see that they actually show 30 + 1 or 2 etc for how many levels past 30 you've gotten. And you still get commendation boxes.

Wow, that's actually pretty commendable. No pun intended.

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Real Cool Catfish: Jun 6, 2011

Boy I�m itching for a game in this genre with the L4D versus mode. I think playing so much of that way back when has helped me a lot in this, because of my rampant paranoia looking for specials.

Mostly I want to punt some players off of cliffs.

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