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Tollymain posted:megane thats a bit of an overreaction imo to be fair, amid all the legit points people bring up there really was always the occasional person who is apparently VERY IRATE that mountain dwarves were taken out or whatever bullshit for some mysterious reason
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Mar 21, 2018 01:51
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What'd they do to crawl ive not played since like .9 or something?
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Crawl is fine, it has tons of new gods and monsters and branches and poo poo, and unbelievable amounts of old annoying stuff has been removed. But if your favorite thing was something annoying and/or boring then it might be gone!
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Mar 21, 2018 02:13
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I remember liking mummys a lot, if they are still in crawl is probably fine.
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Mar 21, 2018 02:15
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I will say that it's a shame lava orcs were never added to the stable release, their heat aura stuff could have been neat. Djinn are more understandable since Vine Stalkers ended up doing the whole "hp is padded by mp!" Gimmick.
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Clever Spambot posted:I remember liking mummys a lot, if they are still in crawl is probably fine. Sif got changed and lost her old channel. Now she has an ability that gives you a huge buff to mana regeneration but costs piety per use. If you were into that mummy of sif thing you might be disappointed.
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i never understood what mummies were or are supposed to be good at other than having torment immunity im not looking forward to my inevitable attempts at ascending one megane posted:Crawl is fine, it has tons of new gods and monsters and branches and poo poo, and unbelievable amounts of old annoying stuff has been removed. But if your favorite thing was something annoying and/or boring then it might be gone! what are your thoughts on the purple
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mummies are supposed to be bad and terrible so good players who want the game to be harder can pick them, plus they have a few unique bits too so they're actually a unique race instead of just "human -1"
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They never need to eat so you can slowly scrub every floor clean until you have enough of everything to brute force your way through the game. This also means they dont gaf about Gozag coinifying every corpse, either. Neurolimal fucked around with this message at 03:10 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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megane posted:Crawl is fine, it has tons of new gods and monsters and branches and poo poo, and unbelievable amounts of old annoying stuff has been removed. But if your favorite thing was something annoying and/or boring then it might be gone! My favourite thing was high elf berserkers because I like swords.  Also torment was like the only real endgame killer so full immunity to that was not a small thing.
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Tollymain posted:what are your thoughts on the purple I thought chunks of all types were a terrible design from day one. Like, I have nothing against wanting to mutate but maybe instead of a weird grindy drop from monsters, it could be, I dunno, a potion of some kind.
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Johnny Joestar posted:to be fair, amid all the legit points people bring up there really was always the occasional person who is apparently VERY IRATE that mountain dwarves were taken out or whatever bullshit for some mysterious reason mountain dwarves are just the mascot of poo poo that was cut because it wasn't unique, instead of being made unique
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Tollymain posted:i never understood what mummies were or are supposed to be good at other than having torment immunity megane posted:I thought chunks of all types were a terrible design from day one. Like, I have nothing against wanting to mutate but maybe instead of a weird grindy drop from monsters, it could be, I dunno, a potion of some kind. wand stacking is an A+++ tier change though
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I'm not a fan of lichform being A Thing, having a joke race is one thing but it feels like bad design to have a race that looks like it could be useful on paper if you're new, until you realize there's a spell to emulate all of their strengths with minimal drawbacks. If that's a spell that's here to stay mummies should be renamed idk, Fragile Corpse or Idiot Jester
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Neurolimal posted:I'm not a fan of lichform being A Thing, having a joke race is one thing but it feels like bad design to have a race that looks like it could be useful on paper if you're new, until you realize there's a spell to emulate all of their strengths with minimal drawbacks. mummies are bad but I would much rather play a ghoul than use necromutation on any character other than the kinda rear end in a top hat who's doing zigs and has effectively already won
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IronicDongz posted:and then you still have the mummy downsides of vulnerability to holy and dispell undead+being unable to drink potions alongside all that You can just turn the spell off to deal with those though. Yeah it's a niche high level spell, but considering how much stuff mummies give up to be able to wander around with no hunger timer it's still kind of a gutpunch.
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Well, again, mummies are supposed to be bad. Maybe they weren't originally intentionally designed that way, but it's the reason they remain that way-just like there are races/backgrounds/gods that make the game much easier, there are others that make the game harder. The former is good for new players just looking to get wins, the latter is good for vets looking for a bigger challenge.
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I know most of us crawl players will have both this and the DCSS thread bookmarked, but try to remember which goes where please!
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I like a bit of crossover in here so i can get all my roguelike info in one place
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Isaac posted:I like a bit of crossover in here so i can get all my roguelike info in one place Same, a page or two of crosstalk is nice, I like getting random insight into specific games.
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Give mountain dwarves torment immunity so there's a good species that has torment immunity, problem solved
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Bastarding fuckshit, I lost what was close to a guaranteed ADOM victory. Got to the Casino with ages to spare, an AOLS, 10 SoCRs and 4 PoCCs, wands of destruction and TP, teleport control, only two dead cats and no dead dwarfs. Then the game crashed while I was grinding the gold for a RoDS I'm the Shop and corrupted my save.  You can wish for wicked eternium rapiers of devastation, right?
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Angry Diplomat posted:Give mountain dwarves torment immunity so there's a good species that has torment immunity, problem solved rework torment as a game mechanic entirely imo
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Tollymain posted:rework torment as a game mechanic entirely imo When you get tormented, a bunch of Wiglafs are summoned to hit you. Torment resistance reduces the number of Wiglafs
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Torment is good mechanic even_if/because players hate getting hit by it. It keeps excessively beefy characters on their toes without immediately wiping fragile characters. Of course, if every other source of damage was a % of max hp reduction, that would be boring, but sprinkled in here and there it's an easy to implement way to balance late game threats.
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Angry Diplomat posted:When you get tormented, a bunch of Wiglafs are summoned to hit you. Torment resistance reduces the number of Wiglafs wiglafs were removed in 0.19
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The latest casualty in the senseless war against dwarf inclusion...  resistentialism posted:Torment is good mechanic even_if/because players hate getting hit by it. It keeps excessively beefy characters on their toes without immediately wiping fragile characters. Of course, if every other source of damage was a % of max hp reduction, that would be boring, but sprinkled in here and there it's an easy to implement way to balance late game threats. Seriouspost: yeah Torment is actually a pretty important mechanic. It could maybe stand some tinkering to get it Just Right in terms of how threatening and how commonly encountered it is, but the core mechanic is a good one from a game design perspective. e: Hellfire kinda sucks though imo, if only because "fire damage, but you can't properly resist it with fire resistance" is a confusing design space. Rename it Raw Destructive Energy or Pure Entropy or something Angry Diplomat fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Mar 21, 2018 |
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hellfire is now called damnation and is basically that
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resistentialism posted:Torment is good mechanic even_if/because players hate getting hit by it. It keeps excessively beefy characters on their toes without immediately wiping fragile characters. Of course, if every other source of damage was a % of max hp reduction, that would be boring, but sprinkled in here and there it's an easy to implement way to balance late game threats. Players also get mad because the only source of torment is basically "this guy can not be in LOS of you" because it hits the whole screen. I'm no crawl expert but the game could probably see some good results by reducing the amount of Symbol of Torment casters and adding some more poo poo in that uses non-MR-checking Agony, or some kind of monster that torments on successful melee hits, so you have more torment overall but less smitey torment.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Players also get mad because the only source of torment is basically "this guy can not be in LOS of you" because it hits the whole screen. I'm no crawl expert but the game could probably see some good results by reducing the amount of Symbol of Torment casters and adding some more poo poo in that uses non-MR-checking Agony, or some kind of monster that torments on successful melee hits, so you have more torment overall but less smitey torment. Yeah it's the edge of the screen bomb that makes torment so terrible to deal with. It's also a check on power level though, so I don't think getting rid of it entirely is a good approach.
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Tollymain posted:hellfire is now called damnation and is basically that Great! That's slightly better, even if it's simply become something that can possibly be confused with Torment instead of possibly being confused with fire damage. More thematically coherent with the various endgame threats, at least.
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Just got Dungreed. It is a fun roguelike platformer like Rogue Legacy or Dead Cells. One word of warning that I didn't know is that don't play it with a controller, it is really meant for M+KB
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Chin Strap posted:Just got Dungreed. It is a fun roguelike platformer like Rogue Legacy or Dead Cells. One word of warning that I didn't know is that don't play it with a controller, it is really meant for M+KB Is it actually any good? Because I keep hearing people say 'It's great, it's just like Rogue Legacy!' when I don't remember anyone liking Rogue Legacy that much.
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I think most people were positive about Rogue Legacy. I remember lots of positive youtube/stream reaction, at least.
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there's a lot of people who'll play and enjoy kinda bad games w no real redeeming features because idk
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Rogue Legacy was okay and playable at the time because it was something relatively unique but by today's roguelite standards it's a pretty loving awful game.
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Kanos posted:Rogue Legacy was okay and playable at the time because it was something relatively unique but by today's roguelite standards it's a pretty loving awful game. pretty much. it was a neat idea when it first came out but a lot of people, myself included, really cooled on it after a while after realizing that it's not all that great for a multitude of reasons. i've said it before but dead cells pretty much just ate its lunch entirely and made a strictly better game in every way.
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i really need to learn how to play dead cells when im not medicating some time which is difficult because im always stoned these days
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