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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nobody really cares about your technology specializations. knowing a programming language isn't worth anything because anyone can get up to speed in a few months. the money is in business and domain expertise yeah by tech i meant broader category like 'big data' or 'embedded systems' or 'distributed systems' or whatever- not a specific language. the specific tech specialization comes in when it's a truly niche tech that solves a small set of problems really well. if those problems are experienced by large companies with deep pockets and they struggle to find people who actually know how to use it then there's gold in them there hills
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MononcQc posted:An experienced generalist is not just someone who goes and knows the surface of a bunch of technologies, it's a person who knows a vastly satisfying amount about multiple techs. yes
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nobody really cares about your technology specializations. knowing a programming language isn't worth anything because anyone can get up to speed in a few months. the money is in business and domain expertise most definitely yes and this is why people go to school n poo poo
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Managers may not give a poo poo about competent use of frameworks, but that doesn't make it a sensible position in the interest of the business. The whole purpose of a framework or platform is to enable devs to work at the level of business requirements, not computer whispering
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:nobody really cares about your technology specializations. knowing a programming language isn't worth anything because anyone can get up to speed in a few months. the money is in business and domain expertise
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I don't think anyone gives a poo poo either that you spent 10 years programming C++ in a highly specific domain unless you are also applying to jobs that specifically ask for that domain. Ultimately when a company is hiring, their dream new hire is someone who will sit down and immediately start producing value with minimal effort and resources on the company's part. This is easier if you already have a vast in depth knowledge of many different paradigms and technologies.
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oftentimes a company’s dream new hire is a clone of their highest performer, down to the domain knowledge
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Sapozhnik posted:yeah if you switch from swt to something designed more recently than 20 years ago then you're going to have an easier time of it Qt 2 is about 20 years old now and wasnt that much harder to program for. Motif, on the other hand, is plain C not C++
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what is the best way to guarantee you have a career for the rest of your life outside of embedding yourself into a company like a tick
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Pollyanna posted:what is the best way to guarantee you have a career for the rest of your life outside of embedding yourself into a company like a tick own land
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if you truly believe you are a good generalist you should be looking at getting into project management, product management, solutions architecture/sales engineering/whatever your company calls it those are the types of things that are for “generalists” - note that being a true generalist requires business sense
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hobbesmaster posted:if you truly believe you are a good generalist you should be looking at getting into project management, product management, solutions architecture/sales engineering/whatever your company calls it So the least useful people migrate into management. Checks out.
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Pollyanna posted:what is the best way to guarantee you have a career for the rest of your life outside of embedding yourself into a company like a tick anyone who gives you a gameplan which goes past 5 or 10 years is either an idiot or trying to sell you something it's the 21st century. the only thing that's really going to last your career is people skills
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Rex-Goliath posted:anyone who gives you a gameplan which goes past 5 or 10 years is either an idiot or trying to sell you something solid advice. 1) people skills, and 2) make sure to keep looking at where your industry is going. if your current job isn’t going to give you opportunities to go in that direction, time to find one that is note I mean very general direction here. like “cloud stuff” or “security”. if someone tries to tell you a specific technology is the future (ie bitcoin, oculus rift, whatever) they’re also trying to sell you something
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you don't want to get into a c# shop. c#, the technology, is pretty awesome. c#, the community, is a shitshow.
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Fiedler posted:The best part of these rants of yours is that your worldview can't conceive of software development jobs that aren't webdev. But even limiting oneself to webdev, your opinion that c# requires Windows is quite dated. it does though. I mean you could neuter yourself and use something else but it's easier to say the least in windows. my shop is a matlab / c# shop and it is possibly the worst
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The c# authoring experience is better in Windows, but c# runs everywhere.
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Which is not to say that the c# authoring experience on non-Windows is bad. VS for Mac is good and getting better as VS features like the editor are ported to VS for Mac, and VS Code is not too shabby.
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Realistically though, how often do you see serious C# apps not on Windows.
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Fiedler posted:VS for Mac
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qhat posted:Realistically though, how often do you see serious C# apps not on Windows. well whats your definition of serious; lots of games are done in unity
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hobbesmaster posted:well whats your definition of serious; lots of games are done in unity More just pointing out that yes although C#is cross platform, 95% of c# jobs out there you'll be dropped into a Microsoft ecosystem.
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St Evan Echoes posted:i have to wait until summer to move because i got a pretty good bonus this year but they claim it back if you leave within 6 months of receipt wait what the gently caress? the bonus is for work already done. how can they claim it? is this even legal?
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qhat posted:More just pointing out that yes although C#is cross platform, 95% of c# jobs out there you'll be dropped into a Microsoft ecosystem. yeah i’m into .net core as much as anyone but let’s be real here. c# still means windows at most jobs.
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:wait what the gently caress? it may be legal (might depend on what state you’re in) but it’s super loving shady
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Be lucky, have well placed friends, don't be an introvert and if daddy can place you into a fintech position early on even though you can't bang two rocks together, you're set. This thread is harsh but true.
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if you aren't hired out of college into a chief architect position at a fortune 500 your career is already at a dead end
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I mean, in the last 6 years I've gone from supporting 2 people on $10/hour with no benefits while living in my in laws basement to a quarter mil a year household income so if my career is at a dead end because I don't have any attractive areas of specialty I think I still did pretty well. But after my no compete is up I can probably make more bux selling my soul back to the insurance industry
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I hope to eventually be making a figure which I can confident call a portion of a million a year.
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cis autodrag posted:
Some things aren't worth money
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qhat posted:I hope to eventually be making a figure which I can confident call a portion of a million a year. Get married, lol. My wife's pay shot way up at the same time mine did which helped put us over. Maybe in a couple years I'll stop feeling existential financial stress even!
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Fiedler posted:The best part of these rants of yours is that your worldview can't conceive of software development jobs that aren't webdev. But even limiting oneself to webdev, your opinion that c# requires Windows is quite dated. 1. i don't work in webdev you colossal dumbass 2. i was a mono contributor 10+ years ago. i am well aware that c# does not technically require windows. in reality, all actual business users in the world that actually exists are windows shops i mean i guess you could get a unity job but that implies working on video games, which sounds even worse than working in a windows shop
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Gazpacho posted:This is not consistent with the way recruiters select candidates ityool 2018. I have had a recruiter cut me off because I didn't have insurance biz experience but he was an exception, overwhelmingly they look for a tech skills match and the possibility of "learning" is unthinkable applicant management systems are dumber than gently caress fill your resume with ltierally ever technology you have ever been paid money to touch. it doesn't matter whether you are an expert or a novice, because the dumbass keyword search can't tell
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St Evan Echoes posted:i have to wait until summer to move because i got a pretty good bonus this year but they claim it back if you leave within 6 months of receipt you can start looking now if an employer quibbles with your start date, you have already negotiated a salary and you can ask for a signing bonus to clean up your clawback problem
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Pollyanna posted:what is the best way to guarantee you have a career for the rest of your life outside of embedding yourself into a company like a tick embed your self in every company like a tick
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Analytic Engine posted:What are the advantages to selling yourself as a Generalist Programmer? Most of my success in getting hired and changing jobs seems to be because I wanted to (and did) specialize years ago. Honestly asking this question since most of my friends & colleagues are Generalists a generalist is a programmer who cant point to any vaguely similar/relevant experience in their employment history when applying for the job
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:you don't want to get into a c# shop. c#, the technology, is pretty awesome. c#, the community, is a shitshow. everything in this post is 100% accurate
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jony neuemonic posted:my only real complaint about what i've seen of java's ecosystem is that a lot of things feel very uh, "enterprise" for lack of a better word. the path from "add to pom.xml" to "do something useful" isn't always super clear. use tools from this decade and java is Fine bordering on Good, which is pretty amazing given its ubiquity in the stuff i work on (mainly distributed systems and databases) i've been programming java the last couple years and ive never touched an xml*. that said im on a pretty small team that picks its own tools, so maybe there's some shithole out there still using ant or something lmao. tbh i've had way more problems dealing with e.g. golang's and python's bad decisions than anything java related on this project, despite the latter making up the vast majority of the codebase involved (golang is just used for some standalone CLI tools, and python for integration testing and misc build/dist tooling) * i've technically touched an xml for log4j configuration, but that was one and done Progressive JPEG fucked around with this message at 02:31 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Fiedler posted:The c# authoring experience is better in Windows, but c# runs everywhere. brb debugging why mono doesn't do the same thing as the sole supported c# platform
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Pollyanna posted:what is the best way to guarantee you have a career for the rest of your life outside of embedding yourself into a company like a tick pick up a trade like plumber or electrician but those are still subject to boom/bust cycles
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