Xad posted:

Right now we're assuming either Androids are town and scum team is Goku and friends, or that good guys are good guys and scum is some Androids or something.

Lumpen posted:

This is a weird statement that doesn't seem to follow what's in the thread. I don't think that was suggested in the thread. Is Xad talking in a Discord channel and slipped?

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

I was considering it as a form of calling Lumpen's bluff if nothing else came up. I thought it possible that a scum Lumpen would reveal being an android, but claiming town in order to throw any possible flavourcops off.

I doubt they would have claimed the definitely villainous 15, though

chaoslord posted:

Like... what? If you thought he was trying to throw off a flavorcop, why is claiming a definitely villainous role the thing to make you back off? Isn't that exactly what someone trying to throw off a flavorcop would do?

Anomalous Amalgam posted:

Mord has claimed an ability. Scum have abilities, but I'm willing to back off.

I think I see where fifty is coming from.

##unvote

Dancer posted:

Can we skip the b-minus thing please?


Especially this, this is not how statistical events work.


This is also not helpful. Like, I don't have a problem with it, but I know that some people will react reflexively to it, and that just makes things hard to read for everyone around.

I'm leaning towards not voting b-minus because I get that he's frustrated, and I'd rather not add to it by not letting him play mafia. Once he actually does anything suspect, sure, but for now there are 26 other people in the game who are as good a D1 lynch as him.

Here's an example. ##vote Dancer

Birdstrike posted:

I’m doing a reread and this post is weird as hell

b-minus1 posted:

I forgot about this post and I’m glad someone else found it odd. It’s almost as if dancer knows I’m town...

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

If you wanted to throw off a flavourcop, your claim should probably make some sort of sense. 16, 17 and 18 would have been plausible "I'm an android but I'm town" claims, not 15.

Bear in mind I'm talking in regards to the flavourcop in DBZmaf1, who could read powerlevels - something that androids don't have.

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

like, all they would get is "they an android" and if the groupthink is "kill androids" they could just say "they android, sic 'em"

there might not even be a loving flavourcop I don't loving know

Xad posted:

Was rereading some posts and this one stuck out to me a bit, really don't like the "hm welp guess you have to claim or get executed " line there

Mordiceius posted:

I had 7. I figured it was better to nip it in the bud now then wait until 2 hours before deadline where we then need to hopefully muster 14 votes in 2 hours.

Meanwhile we have multiple people with less that five posts (or less that five non joke posts) since the day started. And who knows if they plan to contribute at all as it would be really easy to fly under the radar while this feud went on.

I R SMART LIKE ROCK posted:

I could get behind this logic, lurkers I mean


I mean if I’m following that logic, it leads us to a Lumpen lynch and if he’s town you’d go next. I feel like that puts you in town territory as it’s a suicide play any other way

chaoslord posted:

If you were Android 16/17/18 and scum, you wouldn't necessarily need to get out ahead of a possible flavorcop, though. There is enough room to argue around whether 16/17/18 could be town because they end up aligning with the Z Fighters to fight Cell. If you were a definitely 100% bad android, that would be when you would need to be out it front of it, similar to a miller (I know Lumpen is not a miller, but being a town with a villain flavor might as well be a FlavorMiller.)

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

he didn't claim 15 until after I made that post

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

I doubt they would have claimed the definitely villainous 15, though

Birdstrike posted:

##unvote

[b]##vote Dancer

chaoslord posted:

Birdstrike posted:

you mailbox head!

chaoslord posted:

Because from my seat it looks like you made a really bad post and are trying to back away from it with that bit.

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

Voting Lumpen just to see what his deal is (and possibly shed light on the rest of the game's setup) is tempting.

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

I was considering it as a form of calling Lumpen's bluff if nothing else came up. I thought it possible that a scum Lumpen would reveal being an android, but claiming town in order to throw any possible flavourcops off.

I doubt they would have claimed the definitely villainous 15, though

50 pounds of bread posted:

People are saying they don't get my asiina vote so I'll try to make it clear.

Her initial vote is based off his flavor case.

Her followup is saying lynching for information is bad. (Generally is, but it's a common suggestion made regardless of alignment.)

As well as her suggesting that him betting on more than one scumteam to be indicative of outside information.

These are easy, simplistic arguments that are difficult to argue against as they are completely WIFOM in nature. This kind of case is easy to put out there as a seemingly major contribution to discussion without putting ones neck out. If the case turns out to be wrong, there is little to no blowback.

It is unlikely a case like this would be used as a bus technique so I would say it's safe to assume asiina and mord do not share a scum alignment, and I while I find mords argument likely to be wrong, being that it is entirely possible for there to be town androids. I find it to not be a scummy train of thought. However I find asiinas assertion that mords actions are scummy to be far too shallow of reasoning to make a serious case off of.

Too many layers of WIFOM for that case to be remotely strong, and the fact she seems to be satisfied with leaning on this as her primary contribution for the day feels to me like someone putting out the guise of contribution while still attempting to blend behind safe opinions that nobody will fault her for.

chaoslord posted:

Ok


You started with this post. This is a super scummy post. Birb correctly pointed out that this gives a poor reason for a possible vote (town should be scumhunting, not to see what Lumpen's deal is), and it's super hedgy since you say it's tempting but you never make an alignment call and you never vote. Without a vote attached to it it is easier to walk away from later.

You then followed it up with this explanation


Here you say you were "calling Lumpen's bluff if nothing else came up". What does that even mean? You were either calling his bluff or you weren't. How could something that comes up in the future change whether or not you were calling his bluff at the moment you made this post?

If you weren't calling his bluff, the original post is nonsense.

If you were calling his bluff, why would his later claiming to be android 15 make you back off? Why is "I'm an android but town" worthy of calling him as bluffing on but "I'm Android 15 but town" not?

Especially in relation to a possible flavorcop, which you bring up in this post as in your mind when you made the original post. If he's scum, which you maybe thought Lumpen was (the fact that I can't tell is a big problem with your posts), him claiming "Android 15 but town" would have to be done before a possible flavorcop; Android 16/17/18 could argue their way around it after the fact since they have cannonical good sides (17 probably debatable here), but apparently 15 is a definitely villain, so a town claim after a flavorcop is way more likely to fall on deaf ears. It doesn't make sense, to me, for him attaching a definitely villain android to be a reason to back away when you are thinking "potential flavorcop"

TL;DR: Your first post was super scummy because you were very hedgey, and your second post doesn't make any sense as a justification of it

chaoslord posted:

Here you say you were "calling Lumpen's bluff if nothing else came up". What does that even mean? You were either calling his bluff or you weren't. How could something that comes up in the future change whether or not you were calling his bluff at the moment you made this post?

chaoslord posted:

(town should be scumhunting, not to see what Lumpen's deal is)

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

I had already addressed why I made that post, for chaos to bring it up without talking about the followup feels like pushing a narrative

same but less with AS and saying how "awfully quiet" I've been when there are others who have like, one post

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

because I wasn't calling his bluff at that moment. In the future, if nothing else came up, voting him would be calling the bluff

GeneX posted:

Hmm.

What are your thoughts on the other people voting for Mord?

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

okay the key point here is that think I'm only concerned about Lumpen. It would be to provide info on the setup, too, which, FAILING ANY MORE LIKELY SCUM TARGETS, would at least be a consolation prize.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill ##vote chaoslord

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

Voting Lumpen just to see what his deal is (and possibly shed light on the rest of the game's setup) is tempting.

Atomic Soda posted:

so you signalled you may vote him later if nothing came up, but if you did later it would be a bluff?

chaoslord posted:

to call a bluff (lol what?)

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

how is this so hard to understand

it is a simple turn of phrase

do you not know what words be doing

chaoslord posted:

I understand what you mean. I just think you're lying because it doesn't add up to me.

Jeabus Mahogany posted:

no... you don't

otherwise it would add up