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DropsySufferer posted:I have an job offer that is going to pay me almost double what I make now. It sounds like you don't hate your current position, but a counter is just a polite move to say "oh, don't leave us, we'll treat you better, promise!" especially if you lay out what you were offered and try to have them match it. Personally I think it's basically tainted if you give them the number instead of them telling you what you're worth to them. The proper response is to take their counter, consider it until you are ready, then tell them "thank you, that's very generous, but I'm ready to move on to my next opportunity" and leave. They've done their part to try to keep you, you've evaluated and made a decision, and nobody's butthurt, no bridges are burned, etc. As had been pointed out previously in this thread (or one of the others, can't keep them straight anymore), there are two outcomes to accepting the counter: 1. They use the coming months to find someone who will do your job for cheaper (and you'll probably train them) or, 2. They'll keep you around and good luck getting any meaningful raises in the future. If there's someone willing to pay what you're actually worth from the start, it's a far better career move than toughing it out wherever you're at now, even for some extra cash. Money does not buy job satisfaction or fuel the growth of your skillset. E: ugh, snipe, but at least GSLB got added to the official dictionary nullfunction fucked around with this message at 05:47 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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nullfunction posted:It sounds like you don't hate your current position, but a counter is just a polite move to say "oh, don't leave us, we'll treat you better, promise!" Thanks for the advice. I was actually going to give them the number I'd be making but you're right it just taints things. I'm taking the high road out and on to bigger and better things.
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I've accepted a few counter offers. I would put my notice in but have them counter a number that was outrageous. They would meet me somewhere close to it and I would stay knowing that it was just salary talk leverage for the next role. The times I've done that, the next performance review usually came with a "we can't pay you anymore you're at the top" and then I would leave for real. In one instance they countered again but at that point they did too much damage. I never feel bad about these tactics though, business is business and this is your livelihood. You have to put you and your family as the top priority.
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Re: reference chat I had to supply 5 references for a state job, which is apparently common for most white collar employees in this state. I've also been told that some academic positions need up to 7 or possibly even more. Outside of that, I've only ever had to have 3 references in the private sector.
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Sepist posted:I've accepted a few counter offers. I would put my notice in but have them counter a number that was outrageous. They would meet me somewhere close to it and I would stay knowing that it was just salary talk leverage for the next role. The times I've done that, the next performance review usually came with a "we can't pay you anymore you're at the top" and then I would leave for real. In one instance they countered again but at that point they did too much damage. I've accepted two: 1) Quasi-government organization; they had pretty strict pay bands and annual performance increase standards; I'm not sure how they skirted it but I stayed another 2 years after the counter offer and there wasnt any bad blood. 2) My current organization; about 6 months in I received a heck of an offer; however I really liked the people and place here. I went to my boss pretty much as transparently as possible - told him I'd like to take leadership of a [new] team that should be revenue positive with a matching raise, explained what the offer was (and how it aligned with what I wanted to be doing here), and why I wanted to stay here. I ended up with said raise and a team under me, and have indeed revenue positive. Win/win. This was definitely a gambit and I was prepared to walk if it came down to it. I've turned down more than I've accepted, however. Walked fucked around with this message at 13:59 on Apr 10, 2018 |
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The closest I ever came to taking a counter-offer was when a reshuffle at the university where I worked meant I was going to keep my responsibilities but get moved to a different school and a different boss. There was plenty of warning it was coming, so I looked around, interviewed, and got an offer, but I wasn't real enthusiastic about it. I told the new boss that I was willing to move over to the new school and keep doing my job, but I wanted him to match the salary of the other offer. He was OK with that and there was never any fuss. Two years later I left, and when they tried to counter, I truthfully said that I'd already pulled the offer / counter-offer shuffle two years ago, that I didn't think it would be professional to keep playing that card, and that I'd decided it was time to go regardless of salary. Ironically, even though I felt like I handled that situation in a completely above-board way, it generated loads of ill will. Most of the team quit around the same time, because we were all frustrated with our boss, and we had the same friends at local company that was hiring a lot of people. The boss was convinced that it was a conspiracy, when in fact, it was just opportunity.
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While making me a full domain admin does technically accomplish the mission of letting me access one specific server in the very limited way that I need to Uh 
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Shugojin posted:While making me a full domain admin does technically accomplish the mission of letting me access one specific server in the very limited way that I need to  If the domain you're on is the forest root, elevate yourself to Enterprise Admin and see if they notice. Don't actually do this.
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Shugojin posted:While making me a full domain admin does technically accomplish the mission of letting me access one specific server in the very limited way that I need to permissions are hard ok 
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Week 3 now, I still haven't done a single thing besides listen to conference calls. I should look for a new contract out of sheer boredom.
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On the plus side I actually have access to the SQL server management stuff so I can just load things directly instead of the elaborate workaround this was all for so Perhaps a net gain here
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My boss is no longer my boss. I now report to his boss. My jr. engineer actually reports to me now. I get to backfill my position. Yay!
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That's awesome, congrats! Hopefully it comes with a good pay bump too.
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Do you ever just sit back and think about how far IT has come? Last night I was setting up a POC for a customer, so I stood up a new VPC with public and private subnets in three AZs, launched a Amazon Linux EC2 instance, installed Apache, installed PHP, created an elastic file system and mounted it to the instance, shut it down, converted it to an AMI image, launched an autoscaling group in the private subnets using that AMI with min 3 and max 20 behind a public elastic load balancer that resolved via route 53 to https://www.examplecompany.com. This took me about 45 minutes. So I moved on to loading content into the site when the thought struck me of what I'd just done. Sort of like revisiting the tech relics thread and feeling relief at not messing with IRQs while installing hardware on a Windows 3.11 box because Windows 10 or Linux "just works", this cloud poo poo "just works". Now I admit to an AWS bias, but this is not a fanboy post about AWS over Google or Azure, but it's me shaking my head in wonder at cloud computing in general. This site that I stood up in 45 minutes costs slightly more than a hundred dollars a month for a fully HA and DR, scaleable, self-healing, multisite architecture. Now imagine having to do that fifteen years ago: Sure, since you are a startup you could probably load your content into a web hosting provider, but let's assume you are a fairly large company trying to launch a new site. You'd have to: Hire a person or a team who had network, storage, server architecture expertise Stand up three datacenters with internet connectivity (probably in a multi-year contract) Purchase three sets of network gear (firewalls, managed switches) Buy a single web server for each data center set up BGP and purchase GSLB-aware hardware (I'm a little rusty here) To scale it up statically you'd have to: buy additional web servers for each data center set up a content management system To scale it up dynamically across multiple sites you'd have to: Invest in virtualization hardware and software Invest in shared storage hardware and software hire or train up a virtualization specialist And I haven't even touched backups Anyone want to take a guess at the cost of this is? For a hundred bucks a month I just saved examplecompany.com hundreds of thousands of dollars. Crazy.
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Volguus posted:I had the same experience with a support person (my cellphone company). I was asking: Oh Lord. I hate? People? Who make everything? An interrogative? It's like the question mark is the only form of punctuation they have when speaking, literally replacing everything with it, including commas, and plopping in a few more as pauses. I have no idea how you even end up with that kind of speech pattern. Perhaps they read somewhere that a rising inflection indicated interest or something.
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I have to do my first interview from the paid side of the table today. Three of them, actually, and four more on Thursday. Any super lovely questions I should absolutely not ask? My boss will be handling the business / HR / personality side, I'm there for the tech side and to answer questions from the candidates. I want to make sure I get to know the candidate's abilities and attitude without pressing those nerve-racking buttons that makes everything awkward as gently caress.
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https://www.joelonsoftware.com/2006/10/25/the-guerrilla-guide-to-interviewing-version-30/
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Sickening posted:Anyone else learning linux in production working on the servers that accounts for 90% of the revenue your company produces? Yes. I was hired onto Unix Application Support with zero background. Things worked out and I’m at least good enough not to be dangerous. I broke so much stuff 
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Speaking of counter-offers, I've been looking to get a new position in the Bay Area to join my partner, and I accepted an offer with a startup two weeks ago. It's a bit of a sideways move from my experience in the games industry so far, not quite what I'd expect, but still seems like interesting new challenges and the equity package isn't bad. I love my current position and I'd love to stay, but despite our parent company owning multiple game studios across the world, they don't have any on the west coast I could transfer to, let alone in the Bay Area. So I gave a 4 week notice when I signed the offer. But yesterday my HR person casually mentions they could probably arrange for me to work remotely and finish our current project. Considering how heavily project based the games industry is, and how massive this project is going to be, this is kind of a Big loving Deal. Not to mention I'd get to cash in on the (sizeable) yearly bonus which probably would offset both the moving package I'm getting from this startup as well as being actual money (vs. equity lottery). This is not a studio that does this kind of thing lightly, it took them forever to approve even limited RDP-only VPN access, so the fact that they are even entertaining this (even temporarily until project end) is unexpected. And I really don't like having unfinished projects on my resume, so besides getting the yearly + shipping bonus, this is an interesting compromise even if it means going back job hunting a few months from now. On the other hand, I also would feel lovely as hell backing out on a signed offer. Being in high demand is hard. 
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Sepist posted:Do both? Crunch mode on a game wouldn't be compatible with full time employment at another company I'd imagine
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I'm gonna need you to focus
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The only way I would accept a counter offer is if it comes with a golden parachute. A severance package. All my stocks, retirement benefits, bonuses, etc. are immediately paid out and fully 100% vested.
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What do you dudes use for certs in your labs/sandboxes? Let's Encrypt? Something else? Do you run your own CA like a turbosperg? (like me)
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CLAM DOWN posted:What do you dudes use for certs in your labs/sandboxes? Let's Encrypt? Something else? Do you run your own CA like a turbosperg? (like me) Own CA for work and home labs. For just a handful of certs in an environment that's self contained, it's not too much hassle. If either weren't isolated and had Internet access, I'd probably use Let's Encrypt.
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CLAM DOWN posted:What do you dudes use for certs in your labs/sandboxes? Let's Encrypt? Something else? Do you run your own CA like a turbosperg? (like me) Just use one wildcard certificate for all servers/applications/environments. like the MSP I talked to today did.... don’t do it.
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^^^ if I use a wildcard cert I burst into flames irlProteus Jones posted:Own CA for work and home labs. For just a handful of certs in an environment that's self contained, it's not too much hassle. What do you use for web-facing services? I moved my lab to Azure and haven't bothered with building a CA up there so I've been using self-signed and f that
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Sepist posted:I've accepted a few counter offers. I would put my notice in but have them counter a number that was outrageous. They would meet me somewhere close to it and I would stay knowing that it was just salary talk leverage for the next role. The times I've done that, the next performance review usually came with a "we can't pay you anymore you're at the top" and then I would leave for real. In one instance they countered again but at that point they did too much damage. That is very clever. Unfortunately I already signed the offer letter for my new position so I think it's probably too late for such a tactic. I will remember this for the future though.
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LochNessMonster posted:Just use one wildcard certificate for all servers/applications/environments. When I started at current company we had a wildcard cert on everything. I even found an IIS server that had it with an unprotected private key. We've since migrated to LE for everything. CLAM DOWN posted:^^^ if I use a wildcard cert I burst into flames irl Just use LE.
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CLAM DOWN posted:^^^ if I use a wildcard cert I burst into flames irl Same here, I just can’t force myself to use either self signed or wildcard certs. So I roll my own CA for sandbox/labs at home and use LE for internet facing stuff.
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CLAM DOWN posted:^^^ if I use a wildcard cert I burst into flames irl Oh, that's not what I use my home lab for. For my home use I use it more as just an isolated environment to recreate some architectural designs we come up with at work and then try to break them and figure out how to stop someone else from doing so. It's mostly network, wireless gear, and supporting devices/services. A shitload of pcaps, network replay and wireless injection stuff. Usually I'm mostly ensuring all the low hanging fruit is addressed, but occasionally I'll come across some weirdness that's not immediately evident. At work the lab setups are in conjunction with the backend teams for continued design development for things like logging, anonymization, etc. to address things like compliance for PCI, HIPPA, etc.. So it's more of a compliance thrust for that one. I've been flagged (as in I got an email informing of the fact) that I'm the GDPR "Champion" for my group, so I get some training with the corp lawyers doing a deep dive into it. I'm going to have some very busy lab time in the near future.
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CLAM DOWN posted:What do you dudes use for certs in your labs/sandboxes? Let's Encrypt? Something else? Do you run your own CA like a turbosperg? (like me) I use cloudflare’s CFSSL toolkit. I have a PS script that hits the API and spits out a cert and key.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:I have to do my first interview from the paid side of the table today. Three of them, actually, and four more on Thursday. Second is the contrasting question, tell me about an unsuccessful project and what could have been done differently. No one expects this, so they'll need to gather their thoughts, but I want to know they can identify an area of improvement.
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CLAM DOWN posted:What do you use for web-facing services? I moved my lab to Azure and haven't bothered with building a CA up there so I've been using self-signed and f that AWS cert manager, presumably there will be an Azure version of it along soon enough
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Thanks for the input all, I'll give Let's Encrypt a try I think.Thanks Ants posted:AWS cert manager, presumably there will be an Azure version of it along soon enough I've only used AWS before so I was hoping for exactly this I actually really like Azure overall though, and their dashboard/panel blows AWS out of the water. I got MSDN Enterprise at this new job so I'm set for now.
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I have a pair of questions that I always use. The first is, and phrase this however you like, is tell me about a successful project you were recently involved with. If you cant answer this, you aren't ready for the interview, because you should always have 2 or 3 projects you can't wait to fit into the conversation. A surprising number of people struggle here. These are great questions. The 2nd one caught me by surprise the first time someone asked me and I really struggled with anwsering it. Mostly because I tried my damned best to solve all the things that went wrong and I couldn’t come up with something to do different which I hadn’t already tried.
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Sepist posted:I'm gonna need you to focus 
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MC Fruit Stripe posted:I have a pair of questions that I always use. The first is, and phrase this however you like, is tell me about a successful project you were recently involved with. If you cant answer this, you aren't ready for the interview, because you should always have 2 or 3 projects you can't wait to fit into the conversation. A surprising number of people struggle here. These are the same questions I ask in interviews. They also work well when I interview for people outside my team. For senior technical positions, I'll recommend to disqualify people who can't answer these with decent answers. I agree with Stripe on the 2nd question. People usually get caught off guard. I usually make them talk about the same successful project, but can also talk about unsuccessful ones. With the successful projects, I've had several people claim it couldn't' have gone better, which is a red flag in itself.
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Is it bad if I guffaw when asked about a "successful" project? Because I don't think I've ever been a part of one that wasn't mismanaged or had to cut corners due to user apathy or scope creep.
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