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Orange Devil posted:Guys, the term is "nocebo", not "noncebo". similarly, viewers expressed discomfort even after being informed of the nocebo effect.
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I do think Hamm (after all this great narrative) being some kind of penultimate episode reveal character/bad guy would be outstanding...
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Double Post, sorry. Totally different topic. You wanna have some interesting discourse? Let's talk about the little tar-frog inception creature. Is it real. I mean, physical? Do you think it leaves footprints and crawls into people's ears and if you saw it you could pick it up or squash it. Is it corporeal? Is it not corporeal, but still visible? Is it some kind of manifestation of some kind, but still visible to a bystander? Is it a television-al representation of an idea? (I lean towards this, but...) If it's the latter, why does Ptonomy note blood on the side of his face? Also: The Maze is the mental place you go when you're teeth-chattering, yeah? So as far as we know that was all caused by the Monk. Unrelated, then, to the Tar-frog. So we have not YET seen what it being inside of Ptonomy causes. Right? Unless the Monk is the cause of the Tar Frog, but I doubt it because we see Ptonomy get up and go "Wtf" to the ear-blood/goo BEFORE he goes to The Maze. My head hurts. Discuss amongst yourselves? [edit] I really want the very final scene of the last episode of this season to be Tar Frog, sitting cross legged in a nice little chair, sipping tea, speaking to us in John Ham's voice.
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Apr 19, 2018 21:51
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I think we kind of caught Shadow King in a lie about the teeth chattering. He deflects it onto the monk but the rest of the monks displayed hysterical laughter, contagious suicidal ideation, and teeth chattering BECAUSE of their proximity to the Shadow King's body. Also this episode seems to imply that the oil chicken of delusion is related to the monk and the teeth chattering. It is obviously contagious having affected Syd and now Ptonomy and I wonder if the delusion is that they can trust the Shadow King.
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Apr 19, 2018 22:12
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I thought that SK was lying his rear end off, but all seems to indicate that the "disease" is the monk's doing, as entrapping people in their own mind-mazes makes them immune to delusions. Which, by the way of the egg explanation earlier in the first episode, might be represented in the latest by the shadow king's coffin (which is suspiciously almost like an egg). As for the order going batshit crazy, the point of the Hamm Blurb was that it doesn't take much to push people over the edge? Like, it could be the literal thumping that rattled the monks and all it took was one to break for poo poo go downhill.
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Apr 19, 2018 22:37
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Dmitri-9 posted:I think we kind of caught Shadow King in a lie about the teeth chattering. He deflects it onto the monk but the rest of the monks displayed hysterical laughter, contagious suicidal ideation, and teeth chattering BECAUSE of their proximity to the Shadow King's body. the way I read the sequence was he makes the monks all go nuts, not intentionally its just the presence of his body is psychically damaging I guess. Farouk might not be aware of this. He has a high opinion of himself and if he was aware of the possibility he might just automatically discount it on the basis I'm amazing and therefore not poisonous garbage. Anyway I think the high dive champion monk is affected by this and knows this. Why he goes to nightclubs knowing this I'm not sure since he seems to roughly speaking anti evil. I think they said something about the nightclub being a place he had been and not just a psychic battleground. Not sure where I come down on the delusion chicken thing. I didn't feel like the monk was responsible because its really gross and he seems to be giving people what they want. I admit I could be totally off point. Feel like the season would be better watched in one long chug like I did the first season
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Apr 19, 2018 22:52
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His coffin being an egg was very intentional I think.
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Dmitri-9 posted:I think we kind of caught Shadow King in a lie about the teeth chattering. He deflects it onto the monk but the rest of the monks displayed hysterical laughter, contagious suicidal ideation, and teeth chattering BECAUSE of their proximity to the Shadow King's body. I dunno, I think it might be possible that something else inhabited the Shadow King's body. Or the absence of him in his body caused something worse to happen. There must be a reason that he wants his body back so much when we've already seen that he can control other people and still use his powers. The body itself might contain some power, and without a driving conscious, it's let loose.
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Feenix posted:Double Post, sorry. Totally different topic. *teeth chattering intensifies*
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I just rewatched this last episode and how the gently caress I could forget about the cow I think it is quite the sign of David having an episode when everybody goes "holy loving poo poo A COW?!?!" and he doesn't even care, particularly *after* he did some brain fiddling "jesus christ this show is bonkers" - critical consensus
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Apr 20, 2018 02:59
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What was the loudspeaker saying when kerry was eating with cary? Something about words with 2 meanings?
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Milo and POTUS posted:What was the loudspeaker saying when kerry was eating with cary? Something about words with 2 meanings?
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Apr 20, 2018 04:22
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I expected Syd to be swapped with the cow.
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dead comedy forums posted:I just rewatched this last episode and how the gently caress I could forget about the cow Originally David’s reaction was “what the Christ” and then after a few times he just kind of gave up and rolled with it. My favorite part is that Cary’s main concern about a random cow in the base was that he didn’t want it messing up his lab.
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Apr 20, 2018 06:16
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Any speculation on wtf was up with the cow? Was it there because of David, the monk, or Shadow King, or something else? And the monk in the corner with the weird body horror flesh cables wired in to the cyborg was ... disturbing.
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Apr 20, 2018 19:31
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The cow has a smattering of black ash on/around it, just like from when Farouk was killing/transforming the guards, but I don't know what to make of that because it wasn't him or David doing the attacking this time. Is the cow somebody? Is there yet another character that can zap people into ash/animals? Does the cow just have regular farm dirt on it? L E G I O N
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Apr 20, 2018 20:00
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The more I think about it, the more I think Sublime fits perfectly with Legions world. A sentient virus from the dawn of time is weird as hell, but not as weird as the show is. In general, Legion has the feeling of Morrison's X-men.
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Apr 20, 2018 20:05
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Sublime is a good idea. Though with that and the talk about Morrison, now I want to see Legion use Cassandra Nova. That would be incredible. And they could have Aubrey Plaza play her.
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twistedmentat posted:The more I think about it, the more I think Sublime fits perfectly with Legions world. A sentient virus from the dawn of time is weird as hell, but not as weird as the show is. I'd assume something alive from the dawn of time would have a pretty vast intelligence and a giant collection of facts. Heck, that guy would make a good narrator.
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Apr 20, 2018 20:18
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McGrady posted:Any speculation on wtf was up with the cow? Was it there because of David, the monk, or Shadow King, or something else? And the monk in the corner with the weird body horror flesh cables wired in to the cyborg was ... disturbing. I think the cow is either psychic camouflage -- a weird artifact of someone deflecting attention away from themselves despite obviously being out of place -- or it's David's powers going haywire and creating physical manifestations of his state of mind. Knowing a little bit about comics Legion also makes me think these two options aren't even necessarily exclusive. 
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:I think the cow is either psychic camouflage -- a weird artifact of someone deflecting attention away from themselves despite obviously being out of place -- or it's David's powers going haywire and creating physical manifestations of his state of mind. The cows also pointing in the direction of the next person to save. Or maybe it isn’t. Definitely one of the two though.
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Apr 20, 2018 21:20
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I kept thinking the cow was Syd the whole Ep and was waiting for David to figure it out.
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qbert posted:I kept thinking the cow was David the whole Ep and was waiting for David to figure it out. FTFY
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bring back old gbs posted:I'd assume something alive from the dawn of time would have a pretty vast intelligence and a giant collection of facts. Heck, that guy would make a good narrator. At this point the biggest surprise of the season would be if Jon Hamm's narrator is not in some way a character.
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Apr 20, 2018 22:20
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Ever since Jon Hamm's bit about the red/green switching I've been hyper-aware of everything that is colored green. Lenny's Exit sign she was drawing, all the doors in D3, Kerry's spray bottle he squirts David with, and of course more giant floating hands. Also somehow only just realized that you can tell what is in the Mind vs what is Reality by the aspect ratio changes. Fake Edit: the Green/Red thing is even weirder if you think about Season 1 and how anytime the Shadow King was loving with things there was an abundance of red light/coloration But it could also just be the easy way to explain perceived reality to us plebs and nothing more.
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Apr 20, 2018 22:23
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Presumably just depicting the same era but the kid walking into traffic really reminded me of Toby Maguire in Pleasantville.
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algebra testes posted:Cute callback to the pilot with "I like Cherry Pie now". Humble predictions: social issues
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Apr 20, 2018 22:48
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Pussy Quipped posted:His coffin being an egg was very intentional I think. An egg, but also a seed? That's the two things it brought to my mind.
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Pussy Quipped posted:Ever since Jon Hamm's bit about the red/green switching I've been hyper-aware of everything that is colored green. The cheerleader uniform/pop-pom's were a more subdued red/green motif.
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Apr 20, 2018 23:32
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bring back old gbs posted:I'd assume something alive from the dawn of time would have a pretty vast intelligence and a giant collection of facts. Heck, that guy would make a good narrator. Also, really handsome. if they defeat the Shadow King this season, Cassandra Nova would be a great new villain who could step in. Its funny how Gifted is already using the Stepford Cuckoos because they would fit in real well here too.
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Apr 21, 2018 12:42
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Nevvy Z posted:Oooooh Hamm as Sublime seems to work pretty well based on what I remember. I just googled Sublime and plz don't tell me you guys are excited to have sentient bacteria as the villain of this season.
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Apr 21, 2018 13:58
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:I just googled Sublime and plz don't tell me you guys are excited to have sentient bacteria as the villain of this season. He was also a drug that Quieten Quire and Magneto were mainlining.
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Apr 21, 2018 18:49
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Sublime sounds like the kind of ridiculous high concept character that would be all flash and no substance but it actually turned out well. I have zero faith in anyone making it work on the big screen but this show is exactly the type of vehicle for it to work in and if I can't have Hamm as Sinister, Sublime is the next best casting for him.
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Apr 21, 2018 19:04
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:I just googled Sublime and plz don't tell me you guys are excited to have sentient bacteria as the villain of this season. Bacteria aren't peasants. 
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PaybackJack posted:Sublime sounds like the kind of ridiculous high concept character that would be all flash and no substance but it actually turned out well. I have zero faith in anyone making it work on the big screen but this show is exactly the type of vehicle for it to work in and if I can't have Hamm as Sinister, Sublime is the next best casting for him. Keep in mind his primary form is John Sublime. We don't even have to get into the bacteria thing, he can just be John Sublime, Psychic Guy with Infectious Memes. Also Agents of SHIELD did sentient bacteria with Hive and it turned out pretty good. I trust this show. also if we're going full bat poo poo morrison x-men I want no-girl
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Apr 22, 2018 04:53
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If we get No Girl, we also need Glob Herman.
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Apr 22, 2018 07:06
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I have no clue what this thread is talking about anymore. Meta AF
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Apr 22, 2018 08:20
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I looked up Glob Herman and at the very least he could wear a shirt and pants.
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MOVIE MAJICK posted:I just googled Sublime and plz don't tell me you guys are excited to have sentient bacteria as the villain of this season. Shadow king is a multiversal manifestation of the dark side of the human consciousnesses, spawned by the first nightmare. So sentient bacteria doesn't sound that bad.
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Milo and POTUS posted:I have no clue what this thread is talking about anymore. Meta AF Just like the show!
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