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dotchan posted:Since we are going full I am not a speedrunner, but that sounds like a good start!
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in this LP, is anyone familiar with the speedrun strats for this game and would be willing to tl;dr about it?
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EponymousMrYar posted:It also helps if you know where not to step to trigger certain encounters. Some you can't really not activate (the two imps that get airdropped at the top of the mountain path in 600 AD) but most you can just run by or run from. This actually is skippable. I watch Puwexil run the game now and then and he does this kind of weird shuffle thing to despawn the encounter.
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Apr 25, 2018 02:09
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You can also completely skip the Yakra fight through some magical nonsense that I don't understand. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3tv10oHvMc&t=967s Obviously don't watch past this because spoilers.
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Apr 25, 2018 06:22
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Speedruns of CT rely heavily on pausing the game at the right moment during stuff happening (or pausing and un-pausing until you get to that moment) and then loving with items and such so you end up swapping specific 0s and 1s around and end up changing your game in such a way that you benefit, rather than the game falling over on itself. The game doesn't count time in the menus so the fastest times are pretty loving insane because 99.999% of the time is spent in the menus moving poo poo around to get the game broken in just the right way.
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Apr 25, 2018 06:29
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I actually find that pretty funny. They're basically making their own game of mutilating the game.
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Apr 25, 2018 07:36
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Yeah, I'm not a fan of speedrunning except for the glitch/exploit aspect because those typically help dig under the hood of the game in question itself. Like that technosorcery of skipping Yakra Fister Roboto showed. RaspberryCommie posted:I watch Puwexil run the game now and then and he does this kind of weird shuffle thing to despawn the encounter. As for this... MF_James posted:Speedruns of CT rely heavily on pausing the game at the right moment during stuff happening (or pausing and un-pausing until you get to that moment) This is what happened. CT is somewhat weird in that it has 2 ways to 'pause' the game: an actual pause button (that Puwexil used, it just darkens the game and stops most movement) and the menu button. I remember getting into some pause button shenaniganery back in the rental days because I happened to rent a CT cart whose save game function was busted and so I had to pause and leave it on overnight in order to keep my progress 
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Yeah, you can do some wild stuff with menu fadeout glitches-- easy enough to google how to do it, but among other things you can trick the game into letting you save anywhere if you can chain getting to a save point during the fadeouts. You can skip a fair few events with that, too. And then there's one, that I haven't managed to pull off, but apparently if you hit R+down on the same frame on the equip screen, you can unequip armour. Doing this gives you like 10 magic and a bunch of elemental resistance.
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This Let's Play inspired me to check out that Lavos' Awakening romhack and hoo boy is that a brick wall of difficulty. Also, lol at that FrogXLeene ending. Frog gives Leene a big ol' licker!
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   Guardia Millenial Fair  So last time, we kinda changed history a lil' bit. Just a little.   Sorry for putting you through all that, Marle. Are you joking? That's the most fun I've had in months! And I have some new friends, too! I've got some work to do.  Anyway, the post-time-travel conversation is short and sweet, and nobody really seems to think it that out-of-the-ordinary. Just a fun day trip to four hundred years in the past! The Japanese version insinuates that Lucca's going to look into why exactly a Time Gate appeared the way it did.  Peaceful Days  There's little new to show off, though this is a nice time to do more fair games. After winning the initial rewards, we get cat food instead. The amount you get depends on how many silver points you spent to play (a source from a quick Googling suggests 2oz/10sp, 10oz/40sp, 24oz/80sp). For the rest, I'll quote the Chrono Compendium since the cat collection mechanics are a tad complex. quote:Every time the party enters the fountain area of Leene Square, the amount of cat food decreases by 0-3 grams. If that exhausts your cat food supply there is an approximately 4-35% chance that you will lose a cat (the greater the number of cats, the greater chance one will disappear). Provided you still have some cat food, the probability that you will gain a cat is between 0-77 percent (the less cats you have, the greater the chance that an extra one will appear). jRPGs!  This merchant is back and will sell stuff, but it's kinda pointless to buy new gear at this time.  Finally, we can bother Lucca.  Oh! Crono! Hurry up and escort the Princess to the castle!Turns out Lucca's daydreaming about robots.  Lara isn't as much into science the way Lucca and Taban are. Kinda curious how she ended up with Taban in the first place, then.   You're so thoughtful. Meanwhile, Taban doesn't even really recognize Lucca's probably only friend. Lucca's family is weird.  That's pretty much it for new stuff! Might as well take Marle home and check out the digs. Courage and Pride   A good rule of thumb is that the 1000AD royalty looks identical to the 600AD royalty. Leene/Marle aren't the only ones that look like twins!   I heard you were abducted! We had soldiers searching for you! No! Crono's...   Uh, this is getting awkward quickly.   But Princess Nadia said to...  That probably wasn't how Crono envisioned his first trip to his new girlfriend's place. ----- The Kingdom Trial  So lest you think we get another breather in peaceful, dull 1000AD, suddenly Crono's on trial for abducting royalty. Mega64 posted:
This may have been a bad thing in retrospect.   At least we have a lawyer, which is a good thing since Crono's not exactly an expert with words.  We now bring forth the defendant, Crono, who is charged with abducting Princess Nadia. What shall we do with him? Fire, perhaps? Hang him upside down for a few years? You, the jury, shall decide his fate. Now, let us begin.This chancellor is a tad sadistic, and kind of a jerkwad.    No, he did not. In fact, no "abduction" took place! The two met completely by accident. In fact, the Princess ASKED Crono if SHE could join HIM! There's no real good answer here, but technically Crono did because you can't actually bump into Marle unless you actively move Crono toward her.  quote: Whereupon you both disappeared! If that wasn't criminal abduction, I don't know WHAT is! Objection! This can't have any relevance whatsoever to this case! Care to respond, Chancellor! Crono's character is at the very core of this case! We have nothing to hide.At this point, we get one of the coolest tricks in the game. Remember all the stuff we saw in the Millenial Fair? Those actions are now coming back to haunt (or help) us. Mostly help for this run, but rest assured I'll show a Jerk Crono run in the future for the complete experience.    Thank you for being so kind! How about that? Doesn't this young man deserve a medal? Yeah, good thing they're falling for the lie of Crono being a noble, upstanding guy. It'd be bad if they knew the truth, that Crono is actually...a noble, upstanding guy.  What about ransom? Nope.  Not really, no.  You're kinda bad at this, Chancellor.  Obviously this goes on a bit longer if Crono's a jerk, but good guys make for less entertaining courtroom drama, so...  https://mp4.mega64.net/ct/05/074.mp4  Your decisions affect how the jurors vote, though one juror is a bit finicky and kinda glitched. Apparently that second juror will vote Not Guilty only if you return the cat without talking to the little girl first. Otherwise that juror will vote Guilty, even if you do return the cat. I guess that juror just hates talking to children.  A verdict has been reached! Justice has been served.  This bites. Then again, if Crono was found guilty, then he'd be executed instead, so...still better than dying I guess.   Princess! And finally King Guardia XXXIII himself appears. SILENCE   All I asked was for you to behave like a princess. Even royalty must obey rules. Leave the rest up to the Chancellor and forget about the events in town.Some NPCs mentioned there being a rift between King Guardia and Marle due to his expectations of her to be "regal", while she wants to experience regular teenage life and stuff. But considering Crono's about to go to prison this could probably wait until a better time. The Hidden Truth    So much for justice, huh?   He has been found guilty, and you must now carry out his sentence.  Execution?! Strange, but I don't seem to recall hearing anything about an execution. Understood, Sir!And it looks like Crono's going to die anyway! The trial's actually meaningless! We get the same result regardless of how good or bad Crono is! Just like real life.    This stinks.
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Was gonna combine this and the next update but I got tired after doing this part and figured I'll just split them up to two shorter ones and post the other one tomorrow or Friday. Also at some point I'll do an alternate run showing all the bad stuff and other minor different decisions, possibly as soon as after I get the next update up. Mega64 fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Apr 26, 2018 00:27
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I'm trying to think of something to say here, but yeah. The king is a true blue rear end in a top hat.
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Apr 26, 2018 00:34
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Mega64 posted:So lest you think we get another breather in peaceful, dull 1000AD, suddenly Crono's on trial for abducting royalty. On the other hand, he wouldn't have gotten a trial if this hadn't happened! On the other other hand it didn't matter anyway.
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Apr 26, 2018 00:48
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Nah, the Chancellor's the rear end in a top hat. The King's just being a bad king. I've always loved the trial music and The Hidden Truth is a great remix of it.
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Apr 26, 2018 00:56
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I love how nobody ever brings up the fact that it was Crono who brought her home in the first place. Like, if you were going to kidnap somebody why on god's green earth would you bring them home in person, to the point of walking IN the front door with them. I just... what? 
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King Guardia and Marle have issues but really? The Chancellor's the main dickbag here. Didn't he get the memo that we saved his 400-year predecessor from being locked in a chest? It was probably really cramped and stuffy in there! What's the deal!? And making a very mockery of the system he's supposed to uphold!?! For all that this trial section is (a bunch of flags being set and the game going 'do you remember doing this? 'cause I do!') it's presentation and setup are just really neat. The initial gotcha question (you HAVE to run into Marle) sets the tone that the game does cares what actually happens and pretty much nothing else. That one juror is kind of bad though. How are you supposed to know who to take the kitty back too if you don't talk to the girl? (There's a minor tangible benefit to getting all 5 juror's to note guilty you but it's no big deal.) Head Hit Keyboard posted:I love how nobody ever brings up the fact that it was Crono who brought her home in the first place. Like, if you were going to kidnap somebody why on god's green earth would you bring them home in person, to the point of walking IN the front door with them. Paranoia would say that he brought her home to push suspicion away from himself after he had done various mind-control buggery on her like 'have a nice chat with' or worse 'having fun at the fair together.' And who knows what he did to her when they disappeared! Clearly there is a mastermind at work here! EponymousMrYar fucked around with this message at 01:15 on Apr 26, 2018 |
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Head Hit Keyboard posted:I love how nobody ever brings up the fact that it was Crono who brought her home in the first place. Like, if you were going to kidnap somebody why on god's green earth would you bring them home in person, to the point of walking IN the front door with them. I...I never said terrorists were intelligent!!
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Apr 26, 2018 01:16
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Some Numbers posted:I've always loved the trial music and The Hidden Truth is a great remix of it. Agreed, and the stained glass artwork in the courtroom is stellar as well. Chrono Trigger is such a beautifully crafted game.
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Apr 26, 2018 01:51
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I always appreciated the minor detail thanks to the time travel shenanigans that Guardia now has a justice system and a courtroom. The game foreshadows this with the Chancellor mentioning creating a justice system for criminals such as the one who stole Queen Leene, back in 600AD.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:00
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Yeah, the music in this whole section is superb. I mean chronotrigger.txt but still.
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theshim posted:Yeah, the music in this whole section is superb. True, we can just emptyquote that through most of the game.
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Apr 26, 2018 02:05
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The reason that second juror gets mad is because if you talk to the girl and DON'T return her cat, it comes back to bite you in the trial - you deliberately ignored a little girl, you monster. So for whatever reason, talking to her at all triggers his response, I suppose. Actually saving the cat is probably a different juror. At least, that's how I've rationalized it.
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Am I the only one who finds it weird that Lucca talks about how impossible it is to make robots but she made Gato?
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Am I the only one who finds it weird that Lucca talks about how impossible it is to make robots but she made Gato? It's especially odd when you realize that Gato is effectively the toughest enemy in the entire game. No matter what you inflict upon those metal joints, he'll still be there for you to beat for 15 silver points.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Am I the only one who finds it weird that Lucca talks about how impossible it is to make robots but she made Gato? Gato's roughly humanoid but doesn't walk around, and Lucca is specifically talking about how difficult it is to make a walking robot.
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Gato can walk around. But uh, he's 9-12 times the size of every human we've seen. That's not very humanoid.
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Apr 26, 2018 03:06
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The trial scene is a little window into what our world would be like if video games were written by Franz Kafka.
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Rabbi Raccoon posted:Am I the only one who finds it weird that Lucca talks about how impossible it is to make robots but she made Gato? 
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There were a lot of people in the crowd at that trial, I'm sure they'll realize the Chancellor is subverting the will of the jury before Crono gets axed. The entire trial sequence is amazing. I still can't help myself from always eating that dude's lunch.
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habeasdorkus posted:There were a lot of people in the crowd at that trial, I'm sure they'll realize the Chancellor is subverting the will of the jury before Crono gets axed. You MONSTER
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Apr 26, 2018 04:10
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Fight Gato. Eat guy's lunch. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.
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Apr 26, 2018 04:21
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Wait, you can eat his lunch more than once?
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Apr 26, 2018 04:22
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Doesn't it respawn if you leave the screen? I seem to remember doing that while grinding out Silver Points. This may all be a fever dream of mine...
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Apr 26, 2018 04:24
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Actually, I never thought this before but I'm wondering if Crono being slated for execution here is indicative of an event far far later in the LP...
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Returning the little girl's kitty aside, I always go out of my way to be a giant rear end in a top hat at the fair because the trial's rigged anyway. Might as well go down swinging.
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nine-gear crow posted:Returning the little girl's kitty aside, I always go out of my way to be a giant rear end in a top hat at the fair because the trial's rigged anyway. Might as well go down swinging. There's actually a good reason to got Paragon Crono, which I assume we'll see in the next update.
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Blind Sally posted:Doesn't it respawn if you leave the screen? I seem to remember doing that while grinding out Silver Points. I don't think it does, but it's been a few years since I fired up the game. That would make it even better, though. Guy keeps having to replace the lunch I stole, just for me to come back again and eat it!
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Apparently the logic for the bugged juror is this: -If you talk to the girl before bringing her cat back, then guilty -Else, if you bring the girl's cat back, then not guilty -Else, 50% chance of not guilty -Else, guilty So if you completely ignore the girl, he flips a coin. Also the bug is pretty obvious - the first two lines should be switched.
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Some Numbers posted:Nah, the Chancellor's the rear end in a top hat. The King's just being a bad king. Turning a blind eye to a corrupt adviser deliberately locking up an innocent citizen because of daddy-daughter issues is definitely being an rear end in a top hat. There's no excuse for the king and the judge to take part in this bullshit, especially when his daughter says this guy is okay.
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Shitenshi posted:Turning a blind eye to a corrupt adviser deliberately locking up an innocent citizen because of daddy-daughter issues is definitely being an rear end in a top hat. There's no excuse for the king and the judge to take part in this bullshit, especially when his daughter says this guy is okay. Too bad the first thing that happened was Crono getting accused and detained. So the first that the King hears of it is the Chancellor's word versus his Daughter's. A chancellor who has for all intents and purposes serves him faithfully versus a daughter who sneaks out of the castle to go visit the fair without an escort (among other things IE her implied behavior as faux-Leene.) Considering that while Crono was shown to be an upstanding person, he still instigated their meeting and they still disappeared for a bit. In terms of rear end in a top hat awards, the Chancellor takes the trophy while the King is still firmly at 'Strict Dad' levels of dickishness and the Judge doesn't really register on that since he gives a fair sentence (by Guardia law.)
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