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so he was on 50% of the votes needed and then claims, with three hours to go mmhmm and people are trying to misrepresent him as having five votes at that point, thus being under more pressure
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Interlude Although I've already made my case for Bowmore and am ending up with my vote there. I need to explain why I think Max is also probably scum. This is not to say I don't still feel ways about Moat who has contributed very little while seemingly staying involved. They've been less present today though so I want to spend my time looking at Bowmore and Max who've stuck their necks out a bit more. Also Pod is the only other person feeling the Moat vote at the moment, and he's not entirely clear of suspicion either. Usually when people start agreeing with me remotely about anything, I start layering the tinfoil, for now I'm just going to stay focused. Also @everyone, it has recently come to my attention that I do post AA-ishly and am hard to understand. I apologize.
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May 3, 2018 01:37
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I'm calling a time out here: Bowmore I feel like you are going out of your way to be an rear end in a top hat to me. I would really appreciate it you would stop. I'm doing exactly what Keane suggested which is to step away since clearly this game is getting to me. I've been dealing with Keane and Max and now you. I feel like I'm being pretty attacked right now. There is a difference between game attack and what I feel are attacks that are stepping over the line.
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May 3, 2018 01:40
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SalTheBard posted:I'm calling a time out here:
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May 3, 2018 01:41
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bowmore posted:yeah there haven't been any personal attacks bowmore posted:love it when people take their ball and go home Taking a shot at me like this is pretty loving lovely especially since Keane is the one that told me to step away. That is what I mean. I said "Hey this is effecting me in a real way, I'm stepping away." and instead of respecting that you take a pot shot at me.
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May 3, 2018 01:44
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if you truly are a town cop, stop digging the hole deeper alternatively, if you are scum, please keep going
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May 3, 2018 01:47
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lets stick my neck out some more ##vote sal i am reminded of another time sal claimed early under little pressure, he was scum (submarine game). sorry sal, i think you're scum this game
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May 3, 2018 01:50
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Max Max has been present and is fairly experienced. In general I consider him a tougher read, but I feel like his doggedness up to this point is artificial. Specifically regarding Sal: Max posted:Hmm, I forgot about Sal and BK entirely. I'd put them at even footing with Bow in that case. There is definitely more to Sal at the point this post was made. Not a significant amount more, but more actual game content and this is the first misrepresentation. Max posted:Right now I'd vote AA -> Bow. SalTheBard posted:Why? I looked at Bow's history, there is nothing. Max posted:Oh hey you're back. I get this explanation, but this type of behavioral excuse doesn't actually seem justifiable in this case given the type of interaction they had. Now when they get to Sal, they are much more aggressive. I find it strange that a player with more actual game content falls under more scrutiny than bowmore in this instance: SalTheBard posted:Back? I've been posting all day since the game started? I mean some people do have to work and can't check the thread 24/7. Max posted:Why do you need AA's permission? The instigation doesn't stop! Max posted:Posting something of substance, not joking about raising your hand. An unnecessary call out that only makes Sal look worse when he had actually been contributing.
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May 3, 2018 01:51
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SalTheBard posted:Taking a shot at me like this is pretty loving lovely especially since Keane is the one that told me to step away. That is what I mean. I said "Hey this is effecting me in a real way, I'm stepping away." and instead of respecting that you take a pot shot at me.
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May 3, 2018 01:53
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SalTheBard posted:I'm calling a time out here: I think so too.
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May 3, 2018 01:53
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bowmore posted:I'm sorry if what I said upset you, you probably do need a time out gently caress you seriously.
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May 3, 2018 01:54
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Text is hard to take tone from but that sounded so condescending.
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May 3, 2018 01:55
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My apology was meant to be sincere
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May 3, 2018 01:55
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time out was probably the wrong words to use
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May 3, 2018 01:56
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It seems like the game is stressing you out so maybe take 5 minutes to chill or just take care of yourself, no point stressing over mafia
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May 3, 2018 01:57
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bowmore posted:It seems like the game is stressing you out so maybe take 5 minutes to chill or just take care of yourself, no point stressing over mafia Agreed.
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May 3, 2018 01:57
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Atomic Soda posted:- cause yami is a new player, and it felt like a negative comment for an action i thought was a good one. This is basically just Atomic Soda yet again repeating opinions that have not evolved since they were originally expressed. There is no genuine suspicion here, no attempt to persuade anyone of anything. Just the same attempt to legitimize shallow.opinions through sheer repetition.
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May 3, 2018 02:01
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Atomic Soda posted:lets stick my neck out some more ##vote sal Just a casual bandwagon vote against a claimed cop.
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May 3, 2018 02:02
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I'm going to try something different and check out AS and give Sal a break for a bit:The Ninth Layer posted:I find these comments suspect for several reasons. In re-reading AS's posts, I don't see a evolving reads as much as I see flitting about from one target to another with little explanation. To TNL's point, when challenged there's not much in the way of defense- defends the first post of Pod's she had issue with as a "good idea" but "negatively phrased" and the second as "giving advice but maybe rolefishing?" States I'm suspicious but provides no supporting documentation at the time. Request more reads from Asiina but hasn't provided much of her own? Gets back to suspicion of me as "doesn't think it was a good post." Then votes Sal with the argument "claimed early before," which I can't recall specifically as I was already dead in the game she mentions at that point, but the vote itself strikes me as jumping on the wagon. In summary I like TNL's case. I think you're looking for a free ride through D1 and I don't want to give it to you just yet. Let's see what happens. ##vote Atomic Soda
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May 3, 2018 02:06
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The Ninth Layer posted:This is basically just Atomic Soda yet again repeating opinions that have not evolved since they were originally expressed. There is no genuine suspicion here, no attempt to persuade anyone of anything. Just the same attempt to legitimize shallow.opinions through sheer repetition. no they haven't evolved, they are the same reasons i had when i first voted. i have since unvoted. did you want me to make up reasons/arguments? it is interesting you talk about sheer repetition when that is what i am getting from you. i'm sorry you think my opinions are shallow, you have obviously made your mind up. why do you think i voted sal tnl, think hard.
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May 3, 2018 02:08
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##unvote
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May 3, 2018 02:13
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Atomic Soda posted:no they haven't evolved, they are the same reasons i had when i first voted. i have since unvoted. did you want me to make up reasons/arguments? it is interesting you talk about sheer repetition when that is what i am getting from you. "I wanted you to express genuine interest in catching the killer among us." Or any adjustment of opinion since the start of the game. Regarding the last sentence I feel my eyes begin to roll. What would be the logic behind Atomic Soda, as a cop, drawing attention to an otherwise unnoticed Podima post as an attempt to rolefish? Why would any cop want to initiate this conversation? If this is what AS is implying, it is somewhat dizzying.
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May 3, 2018 02:18
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We have about ninety minutes until the deadline.
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May 3, 2018 02:32
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Voting Sal now is foolish. If Sal is scum, we will end up with a rock solid case on him very shortly. If Sal isn't, the worst case is that we force the scum to manage him. I'm thinking.
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May 3, 2018 02:33
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The Ninth Layer posted:"I wanted you to express genuine interest in catching the killer among us." Or any adjustment of opinion since the start of the game. can i ask you genuinely how you expect me to respond to this? and your constant repetition of the same question has let me move on how? i very much regret saying anything about pod despite my suspicions, a spectacularly failed attempt to post more reads earlier. i actually regret being in this game at all atm haha but whatever. you ask for 'any adjustment of opinion since the start of the game', thanks for that. my opinion has adjusted on pod hence the unvote. you seem to really want me to go over and over the same ground again. this whole post exists to call me stupid, and while that might be the case, it's still not very nice. i'm town but please feel free to kill me, you'll probably be better off without my posting.
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May 3, 2018 02:41
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Anomalous Amalgam posted:However, I will survive this tragedy of having lost my casework and begin anew, stronger, and more confident. Setting the cop thing aside because i'm still processing, why are you spending this much effort drawing connections between max and bowmore on the premise that max is scum... and then voting bowmore?
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May 3, 2018 02:46
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Moatillata posted:How excited were you to be the cop Sal? Just gonna point out here that moat has not actually addressed my concerns at all and continues to make snipey comments.
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May 3, 2018 02:47
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BottleKnight posted:I agree with this case entirely. Specifically, the motive behind hearing a defense and then not engaging with it at all. I've grappled a lot with how much to take into account the defense of someone who I think is scum but it mega depends on context and I think responding to "this is what i genuinely think in mafia in general" with "i'm not claiming this is some air tight slam dunk" reads a lot to me as a scum thinking "well, i already went out on my ledge for today targeting a townie, i can't waste the social capital to do it again so i'm just gonna stick with it." Hmmmmm on both counts, but also masonries are awesome and it's sad that you don't appreciate them!
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May 3, 2018 02:49
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Podima posted:Hmmmmm on both counts, but also masonries are awesome and it's sad that you don't appreciate them! I prefer carpentry, myself.
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May 3, 2018 02:50
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The Ninth Layer posted:"I viewed this statement as very defensive." Rather than defend or expound on her case on Podima, AS rattles the three same talking points to shut Asiina down and attempts some table turning. I see your point from a purely logical perspective, but I'd also point out that you're hammering this talking point quite a bit as well! My gut tells me that AS put pressure on me in a way I consistently get pressured on in early game before I really start firing on all cylinders, and that's not inherently scummy. I'll keep my eye on it.
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May 3, 2018 02:50
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Podima posted:Just gonna point out here that moat has not actually addressed my concerns at all and continues to make snipey comments. I think I kind of want to punt and vote moat, maybe.
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May 3, 2018 02:50
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bowmore posted:so he was on 50% of the votes needed and then claims, with three hours to go Please name names, who are these scummy people spreading FAKE INFORMATION if you feel that's dire enough to call out.
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May 3, 2018 02:51
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Lot of drama in this thread. Are we all not hardened assassins seeking to root out the treacherous interlopers! Let us remember patience and civility. Podima posted:Setting the cop thing aside because i'm still processing, why are you spending this much effort drawing connections between max and bowmore on the premise that max is scum... and then voting bowmore? Because while Max is probably cautious scum, bowmore looks more like obvious scum. That whole either/or scenario really does it for me given that they were basically a nonentity ITT at that point in time. Also less support. Same reason why I moved off moat.
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May 3, 2018 02:52
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"Why are you still trying to convince me of anything? As you said, I have made up my mind. I am playing to the audience now and have been for a while." I wonder whether I should feel guilty simply for doing my job as a guilded contract killer. Assassination is never personal for me, but it is easy for me to say on my end of the blade. Yet I dare not let doubt creep into the steadiness of my grip. When all is said and done I will accept judgment, but not before.
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May 3, 2018 02:54
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CCKeane posted:I think I kind of want to punt and vote moat, maybe. Anomalous Amalgam posted:Also less support. Same reason why I moved off moat. Gentlemen, we are a force united. The power lies in your hands. Anyways we've got a hour and a bit till deadline, now that the immediate stuff is addressed I'm going to go back and continue my deep reread from where I left off.
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May 3, 2018 02:54
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Podima posted:Just gonna point out here that moat has not actually addressed my concerns at all and continues to make snipey comments. I had noticed this too, and frankly little else of what Moat has posted up until now.
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May 3, 2018 02:56
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For what it's worth I have reason to believe our guild was hired around the premise of investigation results and how they might be changed or altered. This is why I was suspicious of AS claiming Podima's advice was rolefishing rather that prudent advice, but it also leads me to believe there could easily be several investigators in this guild.
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May 3, 2018 02:58
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At this stage my other thoughts have cooled as such, that I do not think I can argue in good faith for the suspicions. Sal's claim will drat his one way or another, voting for him is a fool's errand. I would prefer to vote Bowmore, for his current string of posting, but I suppose I feel more reasonable about Moat - though I retain my suspicions that not everyone who had been on board for Moat had the Guild's best interests at heart.
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May 3, 2018 02:59
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The Ninth Layer posted:For what it's worth I have reason to believe our guild was hired around the premise of investigation results and how they might be changed or altered. This is why I was suspicious of AS claiming Podima's advice was rolefishing rather that prudent advice, but it also leads me to believe there could easily be several investigators in this guild. I think it's probably sensible to think things through fully, yes.
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I think bowmore is best vote. Would vote moat tmrw if he doesn't return. I'm probably out for remainder of night. Ciao.
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