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AreWeDrunkYet
Jul 8, 2006


This may be the best part.

quote:

On Friday, Trump said Giuliani was “a great guy but he just started a day ago.” He made clear Giuliani was still “learning the subject matter.”



It's my first day.

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mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
https://twitter.com/liesandperfidy/status/993517097232748544

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!
What do chocolate cake and cops have in common?

They both kill dogs

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



So wait, the dogs only are good for sniffing out weed? Like they weren't trained for anything else or is detecting any other drug via dog a load of bullshit?

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost

Mr. Nice! posted:

So wait, the dogs only are good for sniffing out weed? Like they weren't trained for anything else or is detecting any other drug via dog a load of bullshit?

Presumably all those false hits on weed once it's legal would mean that they wouldn't be admissible as drug dogs anymore, cause they'd get hits all the time on legal weed, which would be a 4th amendment nightmare, even if the cop was looking for a different drug. There's already a threshold of false hits dogs must meet in order to be certified for LEO work, otherwise crooked officers would just train dogs to hit on literally anything and everything so they could search whenever they wanted.

So with the drug dogs decertified, gosh, I guess we'll have to kill them all!

That Works
Jul 22, 2006

Every revolution evaporates and leaves behind only the slime of a new bureaucracy


You'd think the cops would enjoy another excuse to freely establish probable cause.

BadOptics
Sep 11, 2012


Hot take: Euthanize the police and send the K-9's to rehab centers.

Also, how effective are drug dogs anyways? I remember reading about how dogs trained for certain compounds are basically as good as random searches. I.e. a waste of resources.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



mlmp08 posted:

Presumably all those false hits on weed once it's legal would mean that they wouldn't be admissible as drug dogs anymore, cause they'd get hits all the time on legal weed, which would be a 4th amendment nightmare, even if the cop was looking for a different drug. There's already a threshold of false hits dogs must meet in order to be certified for LEO work, otherwise crooked officers would just train dogs to hit on literally anything and everything so they could search whenever they wanted.

So with the drug dogs decertified, gosh, I guess we'll have to kill them all!

ah I didn't think about false positives for legal weed. That makes more sense.

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


mlmp08 posted:

Presumably all those false hits on weed once it's legal would mean that they wouldn't be admissible as drug dogs anymore, cause they'd get hits all the time on legal weed, which would be a 4th amendment nightmare, even if the cop was looking for a different drug. There's already a threshold of false hits dogs must meet in order to be certified for LEO work, otherwise crooked officers would just train dogs to hit on literally anything and everything so they could search whenever they wanted.

So with the drug dogs decertified, gosh, I guess we'll have to kill them all!

Crooked officers -would- train? Safe bet they been doing that for decades.

Arc Light
Sep 26, 2013



BadOptics posted:

Hot take: Euthanize the police and send the K-9's to rehab centers.

Also, how effective are drug dogs anyways? I remember reading about how dogs trained for certain compounds are basically as good as random searches. I.e. a waste of resources.

No idea about the rate of false positives on other drugs, but my department's K-9 units were super reliable for pot.

That said, their real value for us was in tracking down and/or pursuing fleeing suspects. I saw plenty of dudes who could outrun a cop, but I never saw one outrun a dog. The fur missile always got them. Apart from dogs used purely for screening purposes (like TSA dogs), Illinois' police dogs would probably just shift more towards subduing unruly suspects.

Doc Hawkins
Jun 15, 2010

Dashing? But I'm not even moving!


That Works posted:

You'd think the cops would enjoy another excuse to freely establish probable cause.

Or to kill dogs, for that matter.

Immanentized
Mar 17, 2009
IoT Status "lol, buy lube"

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Speaking of screening dogs:



I'm here to take your lunch
:woof:

Waroduce
Aug 5, 2008
Man, Fox News is some legit alternate reality poo poo. I'm sitting in a holiday inn in Wichita Kansas that's got 3 tvs all showing Fox and they just ran 10mins on Gina Haskell about how and I quote "DEMOCRATS DONT LIKE GINA BECAUSE SHE IS TOO TOUGH ON TERROR" and going on about how dare anyone question her years of service. Talk about the primaries and how some guy wants to bring back coal, the latest Trump tweets. It's insane


It really is beautifully crafted propaganda.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

Waroduce posted:

Man, Fox News is some legit alternate reality poo poo. I'm sitting in a holiday inn in Wichita Kansas that's got 3 tvs all showing Fox and they just ran 10mins on Gina Haskell about how and I quote "DEMOCRATS DONT LIKE GINA BECAUSE SHE IS TOO TOUGH ON TERROR" and going on about how dare anyone question her years of service. Talk about the primaries and how some guy wants to bring back coal, the latest Trump tweets. It's insane


It really is beautifully crafted propaganda.

lava is beautiful but i don't want it in my house

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Fox and Friends had a great exercise in survey writing this morning. Paraphrased, it said AG Sessions planned to prosecute 100% of people who illegally cross the border. Do you think this is tough enough to deter illegal immigration?

Man plans to spank children for 4 hours per day. Do you think this is tough enough to make them behave?

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

mlmp08 posted:

Fox and Friends had a great exercise in survey writing this morning. Paraphrased, it said AG Sessions planned to prosecute 100% of people who illegally cross the border. Do you think this is tough enough to deter illegal immigration?

Man plans to spank children for 4 hours per day. Do you think this is tough enough to make them behave?

Not only that, but they plan to take any children accompanying them and stick them in a program that is on record for LOSING 700 children last year. Just vanished. We don't know where these kids went.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016

CommieGIR posted:

Not only that, but they plan to take any children accompanying them and stick them in a program that is on record for LOSING 700 children last year. Just vanished. We don't know where these kids went.

that's a net gain for them.

lightpole
Jun 4, 2004
I think that MBAs are useful, in case you are looking for an answer to the question of "Is lightpole a total fucking idiot".

BadOptics posted:

Hot take: Euthanize the police and send the K-9's to rehab centers.

Also, how effective are drug dogs anyways? I remember reading about how dogs trained for certain compounds are basically as good as random searches. I.e. a waste of resources.

They are good but they have a short working period.

MonkeyWash
Jan 14, 2005
Donkey Rinse



Waroduce posted:

Man, Fox News is some legit alternate reality poo poo. I'm sitting in a holiday inn in Wichita Kansas that's got 3 tvs all showing Fox and they just ran 10mins on Gina Haskell about how and I quote "DEMOCRATS DONT LIKE GINA BECAUSE SHE IS TOO TOUGH ON TERROR" and going on about how dare anyone question her years of service. Talk about the primaries and how some guy wants to bring back coal, the latest Trump tweets. It's insane


It really is beautifully crafted propaganda.

I'm sorry you have to visit this lovely city. Fox News is perfect garbage for the majority of garbage people here. At least it's no longer on at the Wichita VA, I was able to stop taking my universal remote with me every time I went.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

boop the snoot posted:

that's a net gain for them.

But the children :smith:

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!
Not too long ago I sat through Fox News’ presentation to agencies about their 18/19 year.

Things they actually said:
They are the network for grown ups
Fox News is the leader in news entertainment
Most of their audience is old and “affluent”
Most of their audience are thought leaders
Their fans show higher levels of trust and loyalty (no poo poo)

Beyond the sillier talking points, they were very apolitical. I thought them branding themselves as news entertainment was pretty telling.

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.
Weren't they legally required to say that at some point in the past ten years?

Like, they have to include "entertainment" because their information is so often dishonest and made up that they don't qualify as "news"?

Or am I just remembering a rumor someone once said and thinking of it as fact? (much like fox News)

Crab Dad
Dec 28, 2002

behold i have tempered and refined thee, but not as silver; as CRAB


Didn’t their owner say that just as a matter of fact

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
The whole lawsuit to lie thing is made up. Advertising a number of programs as news entertainment is true, but hardly unique.

bloops
Dec 31, 2010

Thanks Ape Pussy!

WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:

Weren't they legally required to say that at some point in the past ten years?

Like, they have to include "entertainment" because their information is so often dishonest and made up that they don't qualify as "news"?

Or am I just remembering a rumor someone once said and thinking of it as fact? (much like fox News)

I don’t recall. Their pitch was far more similar to a Viacom than something I’ve seen out of CNN or MSNBC.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Hot Karl Marx posted:

What do chocolate cake and cops have in common?

They both kill dogs

Hell, they kill their own k9s all the time, even if inadvertently, unless that's what you meant. Can't go a month or 2 without hearing about one getting left in the car like a common TCC poster.

boop the snoot posted:

that's a net gain for them.

Feature, not bug, etc.

Smiling Jack
Dec 2, 2001

I sucked a dick for bus fare and then I walked home.

Milo and POTUS posted:

without hearing about one getting left in the car like a common TCC poster.

:drat:

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Idgi. Couldn't the dogs be used to catch pretty much any other form of contraband, including black market weed? Just cause weed is legal doesn't mean that people aren't going to try to avoid paying taxes on it, like with cigarettes.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

psydude posted:

Idgi. Couldn't the dogs be used to catch pretty much any other form of contraband, including black market weed? Just cause weed is legal doesn't mean that people aren't going to try to avoid paying taxes on it, like with cigarettes.

Not to mention underage kids holding weed, illegal Mexican weed being smuggled in to avoid tarrifs and taxes, weed in restricted areas (courthouses, jails, secure hospitals, etc).

We would still need to know who has weed and where, even if it does get legalized.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
bad dogs

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
I don’t trust k9 officers more than other cops because I can make Monty think the greatest collection of cat poo poo is inside your gas tank if I wanted to, and I’ve had a friend get searched because a k9 went berserk. They didn’t find anything and my friend says the cop provoked the dog into signaling there was stuff in the car so they could justify the search.

Also my friend is black and I feel like in 2018 that’s an important part of the story.

E: also the k9 scratched his car but nothing was ever done by the cops to fix that, even though he pursued it a bit before deciding he didn’t want to put himself on anymore police radar and gave up.

MA-Horus
Dec 3, 2006

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of how awesome I am.

No bad dogs, only bad cops.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
DONEZO.

https://twitter.com/jakesNYT/status/993877269834883074?s=19

We'll see how much it matters based on what Congress likely doesn't do. could end up being a collective world meh, or Iran starts going for nukes.

Riot Carol Danvers
Jul 30, 2004

It's super dumb, but I can't stop myself. This is just kind of how I do things.

mlmp08 posted:

The whole lawsuit to lie thing is made up. Advertising a number of programs as news entertainment is true, but hardly unique.

Okay, that's what I was leaning towards. Thanks.

Milo and POTUS
Sep 3, 2017

I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?
https://twitter.com/CrankScorpio/status/993852514452889602

Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

WAR CRIME SYNDICAT posted:

Weren't they legally required to say that at some point in the past ten years?

Like, they have to include "entertainment" because their information is so often dishonest and made up that they don't qualify as "news"?

Or am I just remembering a rumor someone once said and thinking of it as fact? (much like fox News)

https://twitter.com/seanhannity/status/791132954298818561?s=19

CRUSTY MINGE
Mar 30, 2011

Peggy Hill
Foot Connoisseur
I'll go into depth on police canines later, I work in outfitting them. In the end, the results come down to individual handlers and their methods for upkeep in training. A trainer doesn't always have access to the dog, so a lot of a dogs' mentality will fall back on the handler. If the handler is a piece of poo poo, the dog is going to slack out of proper training and do poo poo like scratch cars when they think they smell something, instead of sitting like they are trained.

I can't go into actual narcotics and explosives kits, but once you pop the seals on those, it's only good for so long, so you have to train quickly with actual scents, and that limits exposure unless your budget is just overflowing. Even then, they're analog scents. Kinda like how some essential oils are used to simulate rotting corpses.

Dead Reckoning
Sep 13, 2011

Waroduce posted:

Man, Fox News is some legit alternate reality poo poo. I'm sitting in a holiday inn in Wichita Kansas that's got 3 tvs all showing Fox and they just ran 10mins on Gina Haskell about how and I quote "DEMOCRATS DONT LIKE GINA BECAUSE SHE IS TOO TOUGH ON TERROR" and going on about how dare anyone question her years of service. Talk about the primaries and how some guy wants to bring back coal, the latest Trump tweets. It's insane
You hosed up by not going to the Anchor on Douglas, Morts, or any of the places near the Delano clock tower. Wichita is legitimately a nice little city.

BadOptics posted:

Also, how effective are drug dogs anyways? I remember reading about how dogs trained for certain compounds are basically as good as random searches. I.e. a waste of resources.
They can be pretty accurate, but they're also counting horses: their tendency to "hit" is at least partially based on their handler's expectations. Phone posting, but in one study, a significant number of explosive detection dog teams generated a "hit" in at least one room of a training course when handlers were told that explosives were present... despite the fact that there weren't actually any explosives.

Dead Reckoning fucked around with this message at 17:18 on May 8, 2018

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Tiny Timbs
Sep 6, 2008

fyi this is why you don't "give Melania a break"

https://twitter.com/PhilipRucker/status/993873517010702336
https://twitter.com/thedailybeast/status/993878216883482624

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