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bongwizzard posted:Not all of them, just the ones about elf-dating and it's place in tactical-lite party based crpgs. Like, it's reasonable to disagree about things, right? Disagreeing about priorities is fine and normal, making assertions of objective value and what constitutes a proper RPG just makes you one of the lovely dudes trying to gatekeep the hobby
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corn in the bible posted:If you want solid tactical combat from a rtwp dnd style rpg you're looking in the wrong place. It has literally never happened, and never will. Someone should probably let Obsidian know then.
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Don't know why you're all arguing when it's clear the reason why the game is awful is that you can only equip one pet
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I'm uncool enough to admit I usually like the gameplay and stories of the infinity engine games and their descendants. To me, the infinity engine is a religion, and PoE is the poo poo.
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Eraflure posted:Don't know why you're all arguing when it's clear the reason why the game is awful is that you can only equip one pet What's worse, they don't fit all in Eder's inventory
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:RIght now Aloth is bugged. he's supposed to have two different opposing disposition preferences depending on his first game ending, right now he shits on you for both, ie., no matter what you say it's wrong because the other aloth hates it.  There's a huge upside to all these bugs. Once they're fixed, we're gonna play a completely different PoE2.
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:I do, in fact, regret not having backed a ship's wheel belt buckle that gave resistance to intellect afflictions yea, that would have been far cooler than a dumb pig. corn in the bible posted:If you want solid tactical combat from a rtwp dnd style rpg you're looking in the wrong place. It has literally never happened, and never will. I don't want "solid", I want "lite". Sometimes you feel like having to track individual rounds in individual magazines, sometimes you feel like shooting a fireball at an ogre. For Solid I prefer milsim stuff but for a more casual game fantasy is a better fit.
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Kind of wonder why Devil of Caroc (remorselles serial killer) doesn’t get the same critism as Durance about your lack of reactivity to her evilness. Maybe people just didn’t use her since rogues suck while priests are super usefull? 
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AngryBooch posted:I'm uncool enough to admit I usually like the gameplay and stories of the infinity engine games and their descendants. 
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bongwizzard posted:Not all of them, just the ones about elf-dating and it's place in tactical-lite party based crpgs. Like, it's reasonable to disagree about things, right? Combat systems need to be designed or existing systems adapted to model dating among elves. Your party is just you, your wingman and your pet. Battles are social interactions. Get on the good side of your chosen elf's friends. Seduce the elf of your desires. Convince the elf's parents that you are an acceptable elf fucker and can produce good, sexy heirs. Winning a battle means getting the desired conversation outcome (you get a special game over if you accidentally seduce the father). What are now your weapons, armor, potions and random body parts of slain enemies will be used to represent the social, cultural and economic capital you use to navigate the increasingly byzantine world of elven courtship rituals. It's the only way for the gameplay we like to survive. Because in the end, everything will be elf sex. Forever.
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Avalerion posted:Kind of wonder why Devil of Caroc (remorselles serial killer) doesn’t get the same critism as Durance about your lack of reactivity to her evilness. Maybe people just didn’t use her since rogues suck while priests are super usefull? Devil doesn't try to sound half as clever as Durance. I actually like the priest, but he's not really well written.
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Captain Oblivious posted:Disagreeing about priorities is fine and normal, making assertions of objective value and what constitutes a proper RPG just makes you one of the lovely dudes trying to gatekeep the hobby lol, "the hobby"
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Wizard Styles posted:The only way forward is to embrace it. Tactical RPG combat and its connoisseurs need to - intimately! - embrace elf sex. ok that is a little compelling. but only if they are tall tolkien-style elves.
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You post about loving pixels more than anyone else here. Literally twice as much.
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Honestly Obsidian should be applauded for making me care a bit more about consumables in the game Basically never used or HAD to use potions/scrolls/food in PoE 1 In Deadfire at least I actually search around for the really good food components and make a LOT of useful explosives Scrolls and potions are still in the dirt though
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Avalerion posted:Kind of wonder why Devil of Caroc (remorselles serial killer) doesn’t get the same critism as Durance about your lack of reactivity to her evilness. Maybe people just didn’t use her since rogues suck while priests are super usefull? Because people sympathise with vigilantes getting revenge on people who murdered their family
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Chairchucker posted:Because people sympathise with vigilantes getting revenge on people who murdered their family Yeah she's an rear end in a top hat murder robot but everyone she's murdering is an rear end in a top hat who butchered her village so whatever. Like not a single person involved with Cold Morn didn't deserve to get shanked by her.
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Q&A Summary https://www.reddit.com/r/projecteternity/comments/8jpwee/deadfire_qa_w_josh_sawyer_51518_summary/
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She explictly admits to not being too picky and often killing the cold mourners with whover else they happened to be around.
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Oh, has anyone figured out what if any reactivity there is if you accept Skaen's bargain then betray Skaen at the very end of the first game? Like, after the Thaos fight? Just curious, it's really tempting to shiv Skaen but there's literally no purpose to it in the first game since it happens after the final combat. Avalerion posted:She explictly admits to not being too picky and often killing the cold mourners with whover else they happened to be around. Virtually no different from the PC then
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alcaras posted:Q&A Summary I'm probably going to wait for the Veteran/PotD rebalance before I do a full playthrough, so it's good to know it's a priority. Also nice to know the door is open to promoting sidekicks to be full companions, even if there's no commitment either way. I know everyone wants Ydwin the most but Fassina and Rekke are the two I'd be most excited to have as real companions. Fassina quitting her job at Arkemyr's store was a very  scene and I want more of her being belligerent.
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Avalerion posted:She explictly admits to not being too picky and often killing the cold mourners with whover else they happened to be around. Well if they knew the cold morners they're probably assholes too imo
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Rope kid nerfing beckoners and I just started one for my first playthrough yesterday wtf I think -2 to summon phrase cost and one extra summon each time would be reasonable, but i know poo poo about the balance in this game. If they nerf them too hard then why not just play a troubadour that gets brisk recitation.
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The problem with Beckoners is that there’s an undocumented thing where their summons have better stats in almost every single fashion despite their lower health, so they effectively have no real drawbacks at all.
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There's mention of Chanter multiclass being too strong in there. I wonder if that's referring specifically to Beckoner (so a Watcher/adventurer-specific problem, since companions can't pick Beckoner) or to Chanter as a whole. If it's Chanter in general, I'm curious what the nerf would target. Summons? Some way to make chants weaker if you're multiclass? I'm not sure. I know my favorite thing about making Pallegina a Herald is that even if I don't use any invocations, she can just keep on chanting buffs out to everyone passively on top of the aura buff she already has.
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Entropy238 posted:Rope kid nerfing beckoners and I just started one for my first playthrough yesterday wtf This would be a buff compared to their current implementation  Beckoners currently give -1 phrase cost and double the summons, but most of the best summons only summin a single entity by default anyways so they would be exactly as strong as current Beckoners with even cheaper summons.
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Zore posted:This would be a buff compared to their current implementation Eh, it would be a significant penalty to skeletons, drakes, ogres, etc.
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Each Kill Fed His Fury, unlike the upgraded version, seems to actually add 5 might con resolve and stacks with inspirations. Set to Their Purpose is nuts. I haven't tested And With Furious Vengeance and And Sip From The Marrow but they look promising to me. Has anyone tested if Chants are extended by Salvation of Time?
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Virtually no different from the PC then I lied to her in her quest because it seemed rude to slaughter a bunch of innocent lumberjacks to get at one dude. I felt a little bad about her ending slide but she does get turned into a nice breastplate
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Hieronymous Alloy posted:Eh, it would be a significant penalty to skeletons, drakes, ogres, etc. But a buff to the Phantom, the Dragon, and the bigger drake. And Ogres/Drakes are only at 2 by default so going from 4->3 isn't that huge. It only really hurts the swarmy skeletons and little wyrms.
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I'm extremely lucky I can keep playing because none of the major bugs (used a generated save since I never beat PoE 1, don't really care about Aloth, already playing on Story) affect me in any way. Other than the companion conversation system being kind of wacky and Old City questing being completely hosed up but I can deal with the former and just have to not break the latter.
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Harrow posted:There's mention of Chanter multiclass being too strong in there. I wonder if that's referring specifically to Beckoner (so a Watcher/adventurer-specific problem, since companions can't pick Beckoner) or to Chanter as a whole. If it's Chanter in general, I'm curious what the nerf would target. Summons? Some way to make chants weaker if you're multiclass? I'm not sure. lurksion fucked around with this message at 15:49 on May 16, 2018 |
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Flavahbeast posted:I lied to her in her quest because it seemed rude to slaughter a bunch of innocent lumberjacks to get at one dude. I felt a little bad about her ending slide but she does get turned into a nice breastplate That's their fault for standing there  . They should realize that my party of murder hobos can easily slaughter them. A lack of self preservation is a common issue in RPGs though. People willingly challenge your murder god pc whereas in the real world those lumberjacks would probably just let you kill that dude because they'd be smart enough to realize they stand no chance against you.
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Zore posted:But a buff to the Phantom, the Dragon, and the bigger drake. Doesn't even really matter how many and which invocations it would buff and nerf. The invocations summon different numbers of monsters so any flat modifier of these base numbers is going to be unbalanced by design.
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corn in the bible posted:If you want solid tactical combat from a rtwp dnd style rpg you're looking in the wrong place. It has literally never happened, and never will. Hey man, you also need a good memory to remember that Gorglblorgs Reticulating Assblaster Of Trepidation is good against Frompts Monoculturing Prong Of The Cloaca, but only against human types below level 7.
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Vanguard Warden posted:On AI Insurrectionist posted:More in AI I am in great part playing to figure out AI right now, while also learning basic mechanics of different classes. I know it’s a breeze for some, but slow going for me. I am not quite sure when to use a negative condition, e.g. the "not" button. Simple logic I know, but some of it seems less than obvious. I have the some of the same questions as above. How do you set an AoE to avoid friendlies? I haven’t tried a "not" with the ">" commands yet. If I want to set someone up as a casting buff/heal machine, not exactly sure how? Close, but haven’t quite got it. Might be the timer bug someone mentioned? I saw one example poster ITT that had long cool downs. Sadly, I don’t get that. Wish there was a better tutorial or something I guess.
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So I'm nearly done a playthrough of POE1 as an unarmed Monk, and my previous playhtough (years ago) was Cipher. I love both, so multiclassing seems like the obvious next step. I want to be hitting stuff really hard and occasionally tossing off psychic nonsense, so these subclasses seem ideal for that. I ALSO will probably use the Berath Blessing that gives double starting skills, because why not. Is there any stat distribution I should focus on? Any items I should keep an eye out for?
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lurksion posted:IMO Chanter could probably use a nerf to starting phrases. Being able to dump a full cost invocation at the start of combat is probably too strong. A 5 phrase invocation that "costs" 30 seconds of combat gets applied for free, and 5 phrases are available again when its effects dissipate. It does seem odd to me that a Chanter's starting phrase count is always equal to their highest-cost invocation. Maybe something like "highest-cost invocation - 2" or something, so you start with 1 phrase at the beginning, and while the number of phrases you start with grows it never reaches "open combat by dumping your strongest invocation immediately" level.
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Harrow posted:It does seem odd to me that a Chanter's starting phrase count is always equal to their highest-cost invocation. Maybe something like "highest-cost invocation - 2" or something, so you start with 1 phrase at the beginning, and while the number of phrases you start with grows it never reaches "open combat by dumping your strongest invocation immediately" level. 1+ ("highest cost invocation divided by two") perhaps, would be VERY roughly in line with Ciphers that way
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Would Frenzy Berserker/Helwalker be a good combo? Does the raw damage you take from frenzy help build wounds?Harrow posted:It does seem odd to me that a Chanter's starting phrase count is always equal to their highest-cost invocation. Maybe something like "highest-cost invocation - 2" or something, so you start with 1 phrase at the beginning, and while the number of phrases you start with grows it never reaches "open combat by dumping your strongest invocation immediately" level. I have never been impressed with chanter's offensive invocations. Summons are great, but those tiny cone attacks seem pretty shrimpy in comparison.
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