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Lobok posted:
That's a dumb, old man take on it but you can't say that social media hasn't fundamentally changed how individuals within society are able to interact with one another on both micro and macro scales site fucked around with this message at 17:28 on May 18, 2018 |
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Yeah all the backlash to that panel has maybe not aged well considering that the sitting president does most of his communication with the outside world via social networking, and we're currently getting to watch a racist idiot derail his life in real time thanks entirely to Twitter, and all the other poo poo that's spilled offline into affecting the irl world like doxxing, swatting, radicalization into ISIS or the alt right... It's a really really big deal, whether it is a net good or not.
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May 18, 2018 17:26
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That's definitely true but also, social media is still completely irrelevant to a lot of people. The number of people I interact with in my daily life who use or even know how to use Twitter is probably less than five. Facebook is more, but even then, I know plenty of people who don't use it, or used to use it but no longer do, or use it very little. While the existence of social media has significant knock-on social effects, you don't need to use or understand it in order to experience those effects. They just happen, kind of like how the stock market keeps on influencing society regardless of whether the individuals being influenced are trading stocks or not. In that respect, it's a far cry from physically tangible technological advancements that change what the inside of an average home looks like. I could easily see someone like Cap just being more or less unaware of what's going on with Twitter or what Facebook is. I bet he'd like Youtube though. It's like a living repository of all the pop culture he missed over the decades. And it's in colour!
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May 18, 2018 17:35
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Lobok posted:
I like the implication of this edit that observing Americans on social media would make Cap abandon his ideals. Because it's true.
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May 18, 2018 19:17
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Random Stranger posted:I like the implication of this edit that observing Americans on social media would make Cap abandon his ideals. I thought that was the real one.
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May 18, 2018 21:53
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purple death ray posted:Except whoops Captain America is the nazis. I'd read a comic that was Steve punching himself in the face repeatedly but idk if anyone else would. Not anymore; that was retconned as actually being an alternate Cap after all, and now Coates put Cap explicitly on the side of Antifa
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May 18, 2018 22:05
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Unless something has changed, Nazi Cap is the original body and Good Cap is a construct.
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May 18, 2018 22:07
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Rhyno posted:Unless something has changed, Nazi Cap is the original body and Good Cap is a construct. Not even the cosmic cube can stand against the might of the Retcon™! Just give it time.
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May 18, 2018 22:32
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Skwirl posted:I thought that was the real one. The "Exactly" is supposed to be "Exactly. Never." because she also asks a bunch of other stuff like how many times Cap has watched NASCAR. I edited it down to a snappier three panels only about MySpace.
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May 18, 2018 22:59
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Lobok posted:The "Exactly" is supposed to be "Exactly. Never." because she also asks a bunch of other stuff like how many times Cap has watched NASCAR. I edited it down to a snappier three panels only about MySpace. Ahh.
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May 18, 2018 23:05
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Halloween Jack posted:Europe and the US aren't more racist than they were in 1998. It was just impossible for you to film a cop shooting you.
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May 18, 2018 23:20
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Rhyno posted:Unless something has changed, Nazi Cap is the original body and Good Cap is a construct. I haven't been following Marvel in a long time, is that actually what happened? Kind of like "Peter Parker is the clone, Ben Reilly is the original"?
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May 19, 2018 00:36
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Medullah posted:I haven't been following Marvel in a long time, is that actually what happened? Kind of like "Peter Parker is the clone, Ben Reilly is the original"? The living Cosmic Cube (Kobik) changed Cap's history so he was always a Hydra Nazi. She hid his original persona deep in his soul or something. The she felt bad and gave original flavor Steve a new body while Nazi Steve kept the original. They fought, good won but Nazi Cap didn't vanish, he was arrested and tossed in an ultramax prison. They later had a heart to heart talk and the issue ends strongly hinting that Hydra is gonna break EvilSteve out soon.
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May 19, 2018 00:53
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Rhyno posted:The living Cosmic Cube (Kobik) changed Cap's history so he was always a Hydra Nazi. She hid his original persona deep in his soul or something. The she felt bad and gave original flavor Steve a new body while Nazi Steve kept the original. They fought, good won but Nazi Cap didn't vanish, he was arrested and tossed in an ultramax prison. They later had a heart to heart talk and the issue ends strongly hinting that Hydra is gonna break EvilSteve out soon. Doesn't that make the Good Cap the "real" one if it's the original Cap's mind? You wouldn't say Doc Ock in Peter's body was the real Peter just because it's the original body.
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May 19, 2018 01:04
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iirc it gets even looser cuz the cap kobik made was like generated from the memories she absorbed when she overwrote the real steves life or some poo poo. so the new steve is like an idealized construct or something i dunno secret empire was dumb
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May 19, 2018 01:24
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I wonder if they'll have Deadpool kill Stevil (he's pissed about being duped into killing Coulson) or if it'll be another showdown between the two Caps
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May 19, 2018 01:29
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i wouldnt be surprised if stevil shows up in tncs cap run
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May 19, 2018 01:34
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site posted:i dunno secret empire was dumb This is also correct information. Idran posted:Doesn't that make the Good Cap the "real" one if it's the original Cap's mind? You wouldn't say Doc Ock in Peter's body was the real Peter just because it's the original body. Maybe mentally but Evil Cap still has the original body.
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May 19, 2018 01:40
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El Gallinero Gros posted:I wonder if they'll have Deadpool kill Stevil (he's pissed about being duped into killing Coulson) or if it'll be another showdown between the two Caps Don’t think that’s gonna be a problem anymore after Duggan’s final issue of Deadpool. Deadpool completely wiped his own mind because of all trauma he’d been through and to remove himself from the people’s lives he’d ruined by association. Also he straight up said he wouldn’t kill him because that would make Steve’s life easier and he still puts the blame equally on his shoulders.
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May 19, 2018 04:45
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Rhyno posted:This is also correct information. Didn't Kobik give Cap a new body when she restored his youth though (while covertly changing his past)? So technically there is no real Captain America body?
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May 19, 2018 05:08
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I'm pretty sure the Steve Rogers that met Kobik wasn't in his original body to begin with. Wasn't there some fuckery involving The Red Skull and a time cube in Mark Waid's old run. Plus whatever Franklin did in Heroes Reborn m
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May 19, 2018 05:17
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I always thought Franklin Richards was supposed to be special but after reading four decades of Fantastic Four and X-men comics I realize he's just a big fish in an ocean of reality warpers. Like the low key ones where they don't even know there changing the rules of the universe and live every normal lifes. Has the number of people with powers like Franklin been addressed?
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May 19, 2018 10:40
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It was also suggested in Secret Empire that Hydra's line (ours is the original timeline, the Allies used a cosmic cube in WW2 to change reality so that Captain America wasn't a traitor and they won the war) might actually be the case. In that case, the "original" Steve was always Hydra, thereby technically fulfilling the terms of Spencer's dumb, "not an imaginary story, it's the really for real Steve Rogers!" hype tweet from forever ago.
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May 19, 2018 12:50
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I'm reading the new Avengers issues by Aaron and I have a few questions...'cause I haven't read a marvel comic in a long while. 1) What is up with Thor's arm and golden Mjolnir? In The Mighty Thor he still had the axe and the black armor arm. 2) So, reading this thread, cap is a construct and the real steve is a nazi. That about sums it up? Is falcon still Captain America? Was there a reaction from (in-comic world) regular people about having Captain America be a nazi and then taking the job from the other one? 3)Why is She-Hulk all "Hulk Smash" now instead of how she's always been? 4) How the hell do people still talk to Captain Marvel after the whole Civil Warr II bullshit and how is she in charge of Alpha Flight (which I asume its not the canadian super team but a new SHIELD? 5) What happened to SHIELD?
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May 19, 2018 15:53
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They haven't really shown how Thor gets a gold arm and golden hammer (it's probably not Mjolnir), but he mentions going to the dwarves to make a bunch of hammers, so it's pretty much just that.
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May 19, 2018 15:55
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Vincent posted:I'm reading the new Avengers issues by Aaron and I have a few questions...'cause I haven't read a marvel comic in a long while. 1. We don't know yet, we'll probably see it in issue #2 of Thor 2. The Falcon is back to being the Falcon. Most in-universe reaction to Secret Empire has been about the same as the out-of-universe reaction, which is "let's not think about it, it was dumb." 3. Civil War II. Jen's PTSD from Bruce Banner's death (well, "death," since he's back) and her own near-death at the hands of Thanos were sufficiently traumatizing to alter her Hulkishness. Her solo series showed her coming to grips with that and starting to process and overcome it, but I guess Aaron didn't think that was as interesting or whatever. 4. Civil War II ramifications are a lot like Secret Empire ramifications, we try not to talk about that. Also Alpha Flight is now more like SWORD than SHIELD; it's the "defend Earth from outer space poo poo" group. She's in charge of it because... because. 5. It was forcibly disbanded after Secret Empire. Give it a little while and it'll be back, I'm sure, but currently there is no SHIELD.
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May 19, 2018 16:37
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So is the original version of Nick Fury back, also? I know his son taking over the title wasn't part of Secret Empire but it seems like back to basics is the approach here.
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May 19, 2018 16:50
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Thanks to the both of you!
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May 19, 2018 16:51
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El Gallinero Gros posted:So is the original version of Nick Fury back, also? I know his son taking over the title wasn't part of Secret Empire but it seems like back to basics is the approach here. OG Nick Fury is currently chained to the Moon as a quasi-Watcher-replacement and is narrating the new Exiles. It's kinda weird.
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May 19, 2018 16:54
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DivineCoffeeBinge posted:OG Nick Fury is currently chained to the Moon as a quasi-Watcher-replacement and is narrating the new Exiles. It's kinda weird. That is weird. Is the new Exiles good?
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May 19, 2018 17:15
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It's only a few issues in, so it's almost too early to say. I'm enjoying it, but I'm not sure how much of that is the book's quality and how much of it is my nostalgia for a title I really loved, so...
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May 19, 2018 17:18
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I think it’s ok. It’s moving at a pretty quick pace right now, which is fun. I’ve been reading a lot of the secret wars battle world books. Weirdworld 0 by Aaron and Del Munro is gorgeous and the story is a blast. But my favourite issue so far is Hank Johnson, Agent of Hydra. Everything about that issue is amazing.
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May 19, 2018 18:03
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The sleeper secret wars mini was modok assassinEl Gallinero Gros posted:That is weird. Is the new Exiles good? Eh. I want to like it more than i actually do. It's got some pacing issues and i was really disappointed that the book was advertised with hey look its tessa thompson Valkyrie, but its actually just a regular boring old english speaking asgardian who looks like her
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May 19, 2018 18:22
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What's Silk up to these days? Was she in Secret Empire?
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May 19, 2018 18:27
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I dunno about secret empire but last i saw of her she was guesting in Pak's hulk
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May 19, 2018 18:35
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site posted:I dunno about secret empire but last i saw of her she was guesting in Pak's hulk Thanks, is that Web Warriors still going? Is/was it any good?
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May 19, 2018 19:03
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Had to look up what this was. Never read it but it looks like it ended back in 2016
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May 19, 2018 19:22
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bessantj posted:Thanks, is that Web Warriors still going? Is/was it any good? I think the critical reception was a resounding meh. I thought it was alright but it definitely wasn't anything amazing unless you're just craving more of those characters (tbf, craving more Spider-Ham is never wrong)
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May 19, 2018 20:23
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I'm catching up with my friend's copies of Old Man Logan. What's this about Hawkeye killing Bruce Banner? Edit: I mean present day Hawkeye and not Old Man Hawkeye.
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May 20, 2018 17:10
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NaziCap gaslit banner into thinking he wasn't actually cured of the hulk (which the recent no surrender event retconned into him not actually being cured but anyways), so banner got paranoid and gave Clint a special arrow to kill the hulk. During civil war 2 there was a confrontation between banner and the avengers and Clint thought he saw banner changing into the hulk so he shot him with the arrow
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