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psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Morocco's fine. It's not really doable as a day trip though, so budget an extra 3-4 days. Also, one way international flights are expensive as hell, so budget time to get back to whichever airport you flew in to unless you want to pay 2-3 times as much.

e: My phone's about to die. Sorry dogs.

Somebody fucked around with this message at 19:01 on May 19, 2018

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maffew buildings
Apr 29, 2009

too dumb to be probated; not too dumb to be autobanned
What are you doing what are you doing what are you doing

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Hot Karl Marx
Mar 16, 2009

Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Waroduce posted:

You guys think my gf and I will be ok if we visit Morocco later this year? Thinking about taking it onto our Spain trip

just wear a canadian flag pin

Nuclear War
Nov 7, 2012

You're a pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty pretty girl
Morocco is fairly safe and also loving awesome food wise.

Soulex
Apr 1, 2009


Cacati in mano e pigliati a schiaffi!

My math professor is Morroccan.

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Police Chief of Houston has had enough of his friends saying "guns aren't the problem" and made this statement on facebook:

Kawasaki Nun
Jul 16, 2001

by Reene
The daggum fuzz just want to take everyone's guns!!!!

Lets repeal the 2nd amendment

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Mr. Nice! posted:

Police Chief of Houston has had enough of his friends saying "guns aren't the problem" and made this statement on facebook:


Lmao he's gonna wind up resigning within the week because if you threaten a texan's guns, you're just hosed.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Mr. Nice! posted:

Police Chief of Houston has had enough of his friends saying "guns aren't the problem" and made this statement on facebook:


Hey, something mattered to someone in 2018 at least, maybe there's hopahahahahah :smith:

Third World Reagan
May 19, 2008

Imagine four 'mechs waiting in a queue. Time works the same way.

orange juche posted:

Lmao he's gonna wind up resigning within the week because if you threaten a texan's guns, you're just hosed.

He will be fine.

facialimpediment
Feb 11, 2005

as the world turns
Fredo Fredoed with multiple countries.

https://twitter.com/nytimes/status/997882835716493315

quote:

Erik Prince, the private security contractor and the former head of Blackwater, arranged the meeting, which took place on Aug. 3, 2016. The emissary, George Nader, told Donald Trump Jr. that the crown princes who led Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were eager to help his father win election as president. The social media specialist, Joel Zamel, extolled his company’s ability to give an edge to a political campaign; by that time, the firm had already drawn up a multimillion-dollar proposal for a social media manipulation effort to help elect Mr. Trump.

The company, which employed several Israeli former intelligence officers, specialized in collecting information and shaping opinion through social media.

It is unclear whether such a proposal was executed, and the details of who commissioned it remain in dispute. But Donald Trump Jr. responded approvingly, according to a person with knowledge of the meeting, and after those initial offers of help, Mr. Nader was quickly embraced as a close ally by Trump campaign advisers — meeting frequently with Jared Kushner, Mr. Trump’s son-in-law, and Michael T. Flynn, who became the president’s first national security adviser. At the time, Mr. Nader was also promoting a secret plan to use private contractors to destabilize Iran, the regional nemesis of Saudi Arabia and the Emirates.
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A lawyer for Donald Trump Jr., Alan Futerfas, said in a statement that “prior to the 2016 election, Donald Trump Jr. recalls a meeting with Erik Prince, George Nader and another individual who may be Joel Zamel. They pitched Mr. Trump Jr. on a social media platform or marketing strategy. He was not interested and that was the end of it.”

I haven't heard about any of this poo poo, so it's really surprising how far ahead of everything the Mueller team is.

facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:06 on May 19, 2018

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Nothing will happen. If I could modify over/under to before/after I’d put the date of the next one at June 14.5.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



Seriously I have made this argument face to face with several texans, wrt "what about all the schools that get shot up, easy accessibility of guns to people who would use them to do evil"

their response universally "guns aren't the problem it's bad people that are the problem, guns don't kill you, people do"

See also the Good Guy with a Gun fallacy.

:psyduck:

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



:staredog:

Nostalgia4Infinity
Feb 27, 2007

10,000 YEARS WASN'T ENOUGH LURKING

orange juche posted:

Seriously I have made this argument face to face with several texans, wrt "what about all the schools that get shot up, easy accessibility of guns to people who would use them to do evil"

their response universally "guns aren't the problem it's bad people that are the problem, guns don't kill you, people do"

See also the Good Guy with a Gun fallacy.

:psyduck:

This isn’t a phenomenon limited to Texans though.

I mean you get this ITT quite often.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

orange juche posted:

Seriously I have made this argument face to face with several texans, wrt "what about all the schools that get shot up, easy accessibility of guns to people who would use them to do evil"

their response universally "guns aren't the problem it's bad people that are the problem, guns don't kill you, people do"

See also the Good Guy with a Gun fallacy.

:psyduck:

The best part is when people who love their guns say "all these laws wouldn't stop gun shootings, you would have to ban ALL guns" and I'm like go on...

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country

orange juche posted:

Seriously I have made this argument face to face with several texans, wrt "what about all the schools that get shot up, easy accessibility of guns to people who would use them to do evil"

their response universally "guns aren't the problem it's bad people that are the problem, guns don't kill you, people do"

See also the Good Guy with a Gun fallacy.

:psyduck:

Part of the problem is that school shootings are caused by a bunch of factors, not just access to firearms. Even the toughest background check on the books wouldn't stop a teen from stealing his dad's shotgun.

sharknado slashfic
Jun 24, 2011

Someone who I know for a fact votes straight R every election said to me yesterday "Why do all these people need guns?"

PookBear
Nov 1, 2008

they're right bad people with guns are the problem which is why guns should be highly regulated

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



You cant control for bad people, but you sure as gently caress can control guns to make it harder for bad people to get access to ways to do bad things.

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



And before someone goes background checks should be more stringent, a lot of school shootings are kids stealing dads guns, and going and lighting up the place. They didnt buy poo poo so background checks would be wholly ineffectual at stopping the problem.

Proud Christian Mom
Dec 20, 2006
READING COMPREHENSION IS HARD
sorry i need the guns to fight off the government

also

blue lives matter

support our troops

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler
I don't see why it's so hard for people to say that it's possible to let people own anything they want if they prove themselves responsible and still regulate those things tightly enough that some kid can't go buy one in 20 minutes.

We can really have the best of both worlds if we want to.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


orange juche posted:

And before someone goes background checks should be more stringent, a lot of school shootings are kids stealing dads guns, and going and lighting up the place. They didnt buy poo poo so background checks would be wholly ineffectual at stopping the problem.
Maybe you should be held criminally liable if someone commits a crime with a gun that you didn't take reasonable measures to secure?

Flying_Crab
Apr 12, 2002



orange juche posted:

And before someone goes background checks should be more stringent, a lot of school shootings are kids stealing dads guns, and going and lighting up the place. They didnt buy poo poo so background checks would be wholly ineffectual at stopping the problem.

Permitting and storage requirements. Hold owners severely accountable if their kid steals a gun and uses it in this manner. Canada, New Zealand, etc. would be good models for US firearm regulation without having to ban specific guns.

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


THESE ARE MY SPECIAL TOYS! HOW DARE OBUMMER TELL ME THAT I SHOULD TAKE MEASURES TO SECURE THEM! LEAVING ASSAULT WEAPONS LAYING AROUND THE LIVING ROOM TO OWN THE LIBS! BTW Has anyone seen our kid lately? He's been awful quiet lately...

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
It doesn't help that there really isn't a reliable mass shooter profile. Most of them don't have a diagnosable mental illness, just behavioral and anger problems that half the teenagers in America have.

Eej
Jun 17, 2007

HEAVYARMS

BigDave posted:

It doesn't help that there really isn't a reliable mass shooter profile. Most of them don't have a diagnosable mental illness, just behavioral and anger problems that half the teenagers in America have.

https://twitter.com/TheOnion/status/997526054557376512?s=19

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


BigDave posted:

It doesn't help that there really isn't a reliable mass shooter profile. Most of them don't have a diagnosable mental illness, just behavioral and anger problems that half the teenagers in America have.
I'm sure there's signs most of the time but people are too loving self involved to care until it's too late. Ignoring or, like at Sandy Hook, outright enabling. Lanza was so obviously disturbed that it's like a horror movie with the whole audience screaming "Don't go in there!" Our worthless gun culture gave his mom the idea that guns would be a good way to connect with her obviously sociopathic son, oh and don't bother securing them either. The stupid bitch might as well have helped him gun those kids down.

BigDave
Jul 14, 2009

Taste the High Country
From the Secret Service:

USSS posted:

 Nearly half were motivated by a personal grievance related to a workplace, domestic, or other issue.

 Over half had histories of criminal charges, mental health symptoms, and/or illicit substance use or abuse.

 All had at least one significant stressor within the last five years, and over half had indications of financial instability in that timeframe.

 Over three-quarters made concerning communications and/or elicited concern from others prior to carrying
out their attacks. On average, those who did elicit concern caused more harm than those who did not.

https://www.secretservice.gov/forms...PSW2EjWk-4Xgnqv

Mr. Nice!
Oct 13, 2005

c-spam cannot afford



Nik Cruz, Stephen Paddock, and the guy whose dad promised not to give his guns back to him (but did anyways) all personally owned the weapons they used.

boop the snoot
Jun 3, 2016
Can I just vote to end gun chat now and move it to the other thread?

Casimir Radon
Aug 2, 2008


Paddock might have been a lot harder to stop since there apparently a lot of warning signs. Of course just because a safety measure doesn't stop 100% of mass shootings doesn't mean you go and discount it completely. Any time a mass shooting happens it pushes other would-be spree shooters a little more over the edge and gives them a pretty clear idea about how they can achieve some notoriety.

psydude
Apr 1, 2008

Smart guns could probably prevent a lot of these school shootings with dad's guns, but the only store in the country that tried to sell them so far got a bunch of death threats so yeah. And yes, I know that the current one is just a handgun, but I'm sure demand for smart-gun technology would bleed over into retrofit kits that would allow people to secure non-smart firearms.

mlmp08
Jul 11, 2004

Prepare for my priapic projectile's exalted penetration
Nap Ghost
Smart gun tech would be cool, but it’s all finicky bullshit vaporware for now.

Pay a premium for a shittier gun? Nope.

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene

BigDave posted:

It doesn't help that there really isn't a reliable mass shooter profile. Most of them don't have a diagnosable mental illness, just behavioral and anger problems that half the teenagers in America have.

It doesn't help that primary and secondary schools don't have licensed mental health practitioners on staff the same way they have nurses and a cop or two plus various first aid/safety training for teachers. They have counselors, sure, but they're often one person dealing with a whole school and they're focusing on everything from dyslexia to physical disabilities. Having a trained MHP on staff who can evaluate at-risk kids and approach not only the kid but the family on addressing those risks would probably go a long way towards identifying and treating mental or behavior issues before the kid comes to school one day with a gun and a list.

Stultus Maximus
Dec 21, 2009

USPOL May

Casimir Radon posted:

Maybe you should be held criminally liable if someone commits a crime with a gun that you didn't take reasonable measures to secure?

This + registry + bullet tax.

my kinda ape
Sep 15, 2008

Everything's gonna be A-OK
Oven Wrangler

Stultus Maximus posted:

This + registry + bullet tax.

What's a bullet tax and what's it supposed to do?

orange juche
Mar 14, 2012



FAUXTON posted:

It doesn't help that primary and secondary schools don't have licensed mental health practitioners on staff the same way they have nurses and a cop or two plus various first aid/safety training for teachers. They have counselors, sure, but they're often one person dealing with a whole school and they're focusing on everything from dyslexia to physical disabilities. Having a trained MHP on staff who can evaluate at-risk kids and approach not only the kid but the family on addressing those risks would probably go a long way towards identifying and treating mental or behavior issues before the kid comes to school one day with a gun and a list.

MAH KID AINT GOIN TO NO HEADSHRINKER gently caress YOU LIBS

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KirbyKhan
Mar 20, 2009



Soiled Meat

my kinda ape posted:

What's a bullet tax and what's it supposed to do?

Its an old Chris Rock bit. Dont have to take the guns away, but people will think twice about shooting a motherfucker if that bullet costs $5,000.

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