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Coldforge posted:She's been around the Watershapers for many years; she meets you a few times for a couple minutes. She's obviously a very powerful cipher (more powerful than a mighty Watcher cipher, at least in some respects), and she's pretty big on deceit and guile. I gathered the exact opposite. Without the Watershapers, she has nothing, and she was terrified to know that something had befallen them. Her shock there was the most honest interaction we had with her.
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So was the queen confirmed as a Cipher? I didn't finish her storyline but it was never confirmed exactly what was behind her powers iirc. Assume she was a Cipher but idk how that fits into lore.
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derra posted:I gathered the exact opposite. Without the Watershapers, she has nothing, and she was terrified to know that something had befallen them. Her shock there was the most honest interaction we had with her. Without the Dragon powering the Watershapers, she has nothing.
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Urthor posted:So was the queen confirmed as a Cipher? I didn't finish her storyline but it was never confirmed exactly what was behind her powers iirc. Assume she was a Cipher but idk how that fits into lore. It was confirmed in some in-game book I think. It talked about how Huana usually make the badassest warriors the leaders, but the Kahanga tribe is different that they favor the brainier types, and specifically mentions Onekaza being a cipher as an example. Or something to that effect. EDIT: As another wholly unrelated sidenote, here's another example of Wael being The Best God: https://imgur.com/a/gNbtyD4  (SPOILERS for what may happen in one of the god group chats if you crossed Wael in PoE 1.)
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SunAndSpring posted:Good, the imperialists and the pirates and the caste system deserve to own each other, while I deserve to be hailed as the person who single-handedly dealt with the Eothas thing. Man this is a textbook USA Centrist. Let EVERYONE keep suffering and realize I did the right thing for a moment but the status quo remains anyways.
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May 21, 2018 05:00
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Is it recommended to do all of the factions quests? I'm getting close to done with this playthrough I think, but I haven't done any of the Valian stuff. But it kinda doesn't make sense to go looking for work there given I've mostly been pro Rauatai. Thinking about saving the Valian/Hauna stuff for another play.
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Ginette Reno posted:Is it recommended to do all of the factions quests? I'm getting close to done with this playthrough I think, but I haven't done any of the Valian stuff. But it kinda doesn't make sense to go looking for work there given I've mostly been pro Rauatai. Thinking about saving the Valian/Hauna stuff for another play. Only if you want to see all the content or you're an obsessive completionist. Play how you want.
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Ginette Reno posted:Thinking about saving the Valian/Hauna stuff for another play. I did this just so that I'd have something new to look forward to on a second playthrough. For similar reasons, I never used Aloth/Tekehu/Serafen either. Never dove down their dialogue trees, never did their personal quests. This way when I replay the game I'll have a bunch of brand new stuff to see. I mean, I tend to be an obsessive completionist, but I also know I am definitely going to do another playthrough of this game after it gets some patches and this way I'll have some fresh content to see during that playthrough.
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Nordick posted:It was confirmed in some in-game book I think. It talked about how Huana usually make the badassest warriors the leaders, but the Kahanga tribe is different that they favor the brainier types, and specifically mentions Onekaza being a cipher as an example. Or something to that effect. Josh Sawyer leaving Obsidian cannot help the fact the lore is going to become even more inconsistent with almost 100% turnover in the original PoE writing team. Also holy poo poo that reactivity LUL
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Khizan posted:Eh, there are two major changes that take place in a factioned playthrough. I'll grant you Ondra's Mortar being uncontrolled is a big deal (though I would have at least liked the option to turn on the fog machine again when I leave like Aeldys does if you back the Principi with her leading it), but it's unsatisfying when all the allies and assets you secure/deny for any and all factions are meaningless just because decisive naval battles apparently never happen if a Watcher isn't there to start them. It's a letdown on the reactivity front. And, yeah, potentially supporting a Principi/VTC deal to trade slaves for mutual benefit or allying the Wahaki with the Queen are, or at least are presented as, important actions that swing the balance of power. It's just not really reflected at all.
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Nordick posted:EDIT: As another wholly unrelated sidenote, here's another example of Wael being The Best God: https://imgur.com/a/gNbtyD4 Ah haha I'm glad that I was on Wael's good side.
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Coldforge posted:Only if you want to see all the content or you're an obsessive completionist. Play how you want. I'm not, really. I did some of the Huana quest line before saying gently caress it because I started leaning towards Rautai since I'm romancing Maia this play. I did end up doing I think every last bounty in the game though. Only other things I really need to do are the cartographer quest and Aloth's. I dunno what even I'm supposed to do with Aloth's though because I've explored a lot of the islands and not seen any Leaden Key stuff. Khizan posted:I did this just so that I'd have something new to look forward to on a second playthrough. For similar reasons, I never used Aloth/Tekehu/Serafen either. Never dove down their dialogue trees, never did their personal quests. This way when I replay the game I'll have a bunch of brand new stuff to see. The companion quests I plan to finish although I don't know if Tekehu even has one. And Pallegina will probably hate me soon since I'm siding with Rautai but I've barely used her this play so whatever. Plan to use her and shark guy more next play, and Xoti too. Those three have gotten less play since I'm a Wizard/Priest. Aloth has gotten a lot because I still wanted to use the higher level Wizard spells, and Eder is there almost 24/7 because A) Eder owns and B) need his mechanics.
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Urthor posted:Josh Sawyer leaving Obsidian cannot help the fact the lore is going to become even more inconsistent with almost 100% turnover in the original PoE writing team. Wait, what
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En Garde Motherfuckers posted:Wait, what He's taking a break from directing design and isn't involved in the DLCs but I don't believe he's leaving. Just wanting to work on other projects there and not as team lead is the sense I got.
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En Garde Motherfuckers posted:Wait, what He's just taking a break from directing games, Urthor is confused. Specifically he'll still be working on balancing for Pillars 2 and it sounds like he might be involved with a couple narrative revisions to the main game, but it's entirely possible he just handed over narrative control and is aware of stuff they're looking at.
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Khizan posted:This is perfect for the factionless ending, imo. Sorry, that's probably flippant, but ultimately all the main 'nation' factions have a poo poo-ton of cultural problems, and the Huana are the only one of the three who aren't trying to conquer a foreign culture and destroy/remold it in their own (flawed) image. A genuinely 'good' ending would be sponsoring the progressive reform faction of the Huana, or creating an alliance of the new blood Principi with the Roparu Revolution, but neither of those is an option so 
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May 21, 2018 05:22
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Oh okay, I thought I missed something wild. Nevermind!
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Apraxin posted:...and's that why the conquest of India by the enlightened British Empire was morally just and resulted in the best outcome for the benighted natives! The Huana aren't native to the Archipelago. The real natives still live there. Attacked and sometimes enslaved by the Huana.
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May 21, 2018 05:26
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This place, called Deadfire, is more like, a dumpster fire
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Xae posted:The Huana aren't native to the Archipelago. The real natives still live there. Attacked and sometimes enslaved by the Huana.
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I haven't seen it mentioned here so might as well ask- Has anyone else had an issue where you'll get the companion wants to talk icon but when you talk to them they have nothing new to say? I think it just popped with Aloth and Maia reaching -1 and +2 respectively but there's no new dialogue.
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Eminent Domain posted:I haven't seen it mentioned here so might as well ask- Yeah I've had it happen a lot. Talking to them makes it go away but I don't get why it's there in the first place. Bug I guess since they don't have anything new to say.
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Happened to me, definitely.
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Eminent Domain posted:I haven't seen it mentioned here so might as well ask- It's happened to me, but I feel like it mostly happened when I had done something I thought might involve that character and opened dialogue right afterwards and found the dialogue options related to the event and went through them. Then a screen or so later the icon would pop up but the dialogue option wouldn't be there cause I'd taken it already.
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Paladin/monk is cool and good in case it wasn't obvious. Gibbing enemies with flaming fists rules, and the paladin tankyness is nice for the early levels where monk isn't too hot. Edit: also my rogue/illusionist is more immortal than my paladin. I have them using the dagger and wand modals so she never gets hit in melee and she interrupts everything constantly. The sneak attack bonus more than makes up for the reduced damage. Ive also noticed that thanks to specialization there's no reason to use a grinoire. Nasgate fucked around with this message at 06:44 on May 21, 2018 |
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Seriously, why does the PC Paladin AI keep using Sacred Immolation? gently caress OFF with that poo poo! Finally figured it out why all of a sudden my main kept dying. Yup, he's been autocasting it. Friendly heads up not to select it as a skill if you want to use the aggressive AI. edit2: Nasgate suggested making a copy of the aggressive AI settings and then modifying it to not cast the immolation spell. That worked. FYI if you're reading this. edit: I can see the spell getting maybe getting better once you can get rezzed automatically if you die from it, but until then ouch. Mizaq fucked around with this message at 08:48 on May 21, 2018 |
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Heithinn Grasida posted:I'm really glad there are some good spears, but I do want to make a complaint about them. Of the three unique spears, two of them are hunting tools, one of which is a hunting tool for a hunter gatherer society. The third unique is a stone weapon from a time pre-dating metallurgy. I know fantasy rpgs have to cleave to western fantasy archetypes, but the "primitive spear" is one of the most annoying. Why can't you just let us have Gungnir? It's really weird. Wouldn't a spear beat a sword in a fight? Especially once you start getting into fantasy materials so the shaft of a spear is super strong. A spear is the best part of a sword, the pointy stabby bit but now it's at the end of a pole -- so you get to do the danger stuff at distance because the worst part of a sword is getting stabbed by one. Nothing about the spear seems inherently primitive to me, and they seemed quite common in the eras of no-guns combat.
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Mizaq posted:Seriously, why does the PC Paladin AI keep using Sacred Immolation? gently caress OFF with that poo poo! Goddamit, I don't want to have to micromanage everything all of the time. Finally figured it out why all of a sudden my main kept dying. Yup, he's been autocasting it. Friendly heads up not to select it as a skill if you want to use the aggressive AI. Go to ai behaviour, copy the aggressive ai. Delete sacred immolation as an option. Khanstant posted:It's really weird. Wouldn't a spear beat a sword in a fight? Especially once you start getting into fantasy materials so the shaft of a spear is super strong. A spear is the best part of a sword, the pointy stabby bit but now it's at the end of a pole -- so you get to do the danger stuff at distance because the worst part of a sword is getting stabbed by one. Nothing about the spear seems inherently primitive to me, and they seemed quite common in the eras of no-guns combat. Spears are cheaper to make is the main reason. The quick version of why swords are best(assuming equal skill) is shown well by PoE actually. You get the stabby of spears and the slashing of axes. It's not as good at either, but you always have options. If someone is too close, your spear is an unwieldy dagger and lmao if you miss with an Axe you're wide open.
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finally had one of the companions come on to the watcher, and it was Maia. i ended up talking to her bird and hylea heavily implied that Maia was only pretending to care about the watcher so that she could persuade you into doing Rauatai military bidding. is that correct, or just another example of the gods loving with the watcher? if it's correct then i'm going to make her walk the loving plank, although it would explain why one of her first dialogue questions is "hey hypothetically if someone on the boat wanted to mutiny on you, what would you do?"
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Nasgate posted:Go to ai behaviour, copy the aggressive ai. Delete sacred immolation as an option. this is why halberds are the best weapons. you have the reach of the spear and you can stab but also slash
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Subjunctive posted:If all the paths available through those factions are strongly right-leaning, and you're left-leaning, is it centrist to reject those paths on offer? The Huana are authoritarian left, the Principi are libertarian left, the RTC are authoritarian right, and the VTC are libertarian right.
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I'm actually shocked at the amount of people here who are going Rauatai because they're the most obviously evil fascists in a video game since the Legion.
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Freaking Crumbum posted:finally had one of the companions come on to the watcher, and it was Maia. i ended up talking to her bird and hylea heavily implied that Maia was only pretending to care about the watcher so that she could persuade you into doing Rauatai military bidding. It's absolutely Hylea just asking questions, though I don't know if it's intentionally her loving with you so much as it is just her thinking of every possible idea at once and just being kind of flighty get it flighty
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Your Parents posted:I'm actually shocked at the amount of people here who are going Rauatai because they're the most obviously evil fascists in a video game since the Legion. Call me groggy, but I like making characters with some in-game personality and history that isn't mine. My Pillars 2 character was a stoic/rational ex-slave from the Deadfire who tended to solve problems with force so it made sense to me that my character would side with the well-ordered Spartan empire. I personally don't think that's the best choice for a real Deadfire -- that's definitely and unambiguously working with the Huana -- but it's a video game and there is no real Deadfire. I can do things that I personally think are awful and lovely in my game without them actually reflecting on me.
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Mr. Prokosch posted:It's a common imperialist tactic to claim that the primitives cannot learn, grow, or improve without outside intervention. In truth, colonized peoples were always encountered in a particular moment of their own history, a history the imperialist has no knowledge of or interest in, and therefore believes does not exist and instead institutes an image of perfect pre-contact sameness. We have history, they have tradition. The caste system does not work in an over-crowded urban environment. It likely worked better in small horticultural villages. When you go to Huana villages, you don't see the lower castes suffering like in the city, with the possible exception of a village that's starving due to imperial displacement. If you show how it doesn't work to the Prince, they make very strong efforts towards reform because they don't want their own people to suffer. This post was really good, thanks.
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Xerophyte posted:Call me groggy, but I like making characters with some in-game personality and history that isn't mine. My Pillars 2 character was a stoic/rational ex-slave from the Deadfire who tended to solve problems with force so it made sense to me that my character would side with the well-ordered Spartan empire. I personally don't think that's the best choice for a real Deadfire -- that's definitely and unambiguously working with the Huana -- but it's a video game and there is no real Deadfire. I can do things that I personally think are awful and lovely in my game without them actually reflecting on me. Same I don't think anyone's saying "don't go RDC" just "don't go RDC and pretend you're siding with the good guys"
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Xerophyte posted:Call me groggy, but I like making characters with some in-game personality and history that isn't mine. My Pillars 2 character was a stoic/rational ex-slave from the Deadfire who tended to solve problems with force so it made sense to me that my character would side with the well-ordered Spartan empire. I personally don't think that's the best choice for a real Deadfire -- that's definitely and unambiguously working with the Huana -- but it's a video game and there is no real Deadfire. I can do things that I personally think are awful and lovely in my game without them actually reflecting on me. The Huana are terrible authoritarians subjugating the natives of the Deadfire, who are wilder races people dismiss as cannon fodder because they're not kith, and the majority of their population, while not overtly slaves, are in no better position than slaves.
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