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HelloSailorSign posted:Going after the President with, “you lied about a blowjob or giving an American money to do things for you” is massively different from, “you worked with multiple foreign powers who got you elected expecting you do nice things for them.” Like, after impeachment the logical conclusion is a trial and jailing for life for what’s been signaled as happening in the US. If we're going video game analogy a more appropriate one is "You're doing the dance fine against this Dark Souls boss, don't flatline your stam and leave yourself open."
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the wildest part of this timeline is jim carrey being the best political cartoonist.
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May 22, 2018 14:59
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Shifty Pony posted:A ban on mandatory arbitration would work. If the parties decide after the disagreement arises to do arbitration that should be ok.
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May 22, 2018 15:02
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Groovelord Neato posted:the wildest part of this timeline is jim carrey being the best political cartoonist. 
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May 22, 2018 15:03
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Groovelord Neato posted:the wildest part of this timeline is jim carrey being the best political cartoonist. I think part of this is him making fun of GWB, which makes it all feel much, much better.
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HelloSailorSign posted:At the same, a significant number of Americans have time and again shown they trust Trump no matter what. The rest that support him do so because in his bumbling they’re still getting tax cuts and regulations ripped out.
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May 22, 2018 15:09
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Shifty Pony posted:A ban on mandatory arbitration would work. If the parties decide after the disagreement arises to do arbitration that should be ok. What you want is the ability to preserve being able to agree to commercial arbitration - company vs. company, for breach of contract - ahead of time but basically nothing else. Companies like breach of contract arbitration because you don't know ahead of time who will be in breach and litigation is loving expensive, so its in both parties' interest to agree ahead of time to arbitration. And that's fine, for two corporations. It's just not fine anywhere else. I think you would structure this by banning arbitration for tort claims; banning class-action waivers in arbitration; expressly permitting states to declare arbitration as against public policy; banning arbitration clauses in corporation vs. individual contracts; banning arbitration clauses in contracts of adhesion; maybe a few other things.
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I would say impeachment is necessary since it is quite obvious that humiliation or corruption is enough for almost the entirety of the GOP to still support him. If Trump isn't impeached and convicted, he still spin the story that it shows finally he was innocent and it was a witch hunt all along. Most people have tuned out to the details, so it comes down to a showdown and for that, the Democrats need both houses.
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May 22, 2018 15:12
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evilweasel posted:What you want is the ability to preserve being able to agree to commercial arbitration - company vs. company, for breach of contract - ahead of time but basically nothing else. Companies like breach of contract arbitration because you don't know ahead of time who will be in breach and litigation is loving expensive, so its in both parties' interest to agree ahead of time to arbitration. And that's fine, for two corporations. It's just not fine anywhere else. Wouldn't we need some serious increased staffing in the courts to make this viable?
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Ardennes posted:I would say impeachment is necessary since it is quite obvious that humiliation or corruption is enough for almost the entirety of the GOP to still support him. If Trump isn't impeached and convicted, he still spin the story that it shows finally he was innocent and it was a witch hunt all along. Most people have tuned out to the details, so it comes down to a showdown and for that, the Democrats need both houses. If the sun rises in the east, he'll spin a story that shows finally he was innocent and it was a witch hunt all along.
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May 22, 2018 15:15
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mcmagic posted:You can't view the Russia investigation as a way of getting him out of office. He's only leaving office if he dies. There is just no way there are 66 votes in the senate to remove him no matter what he does. I view it as valuable to the extent that it hurts Trump politically and makes it harder for other republicans to defend him which will suppress their base turnout in 18 and 20. I think that if the blue wave looks to be too overwhelming they'll fight to get someone they can trust into the Speaker's chair and quickly impeach trump and pence to keep the presidency from falling into Democratic party hands. They have to consider the damage that refusing to impeach them with all the evidence that Mueller is collecting out in the open will do to the party (I just realized that I never even considered republicans would impeach them to prevent them from doing harm to the country. Or literally anyone but themselves.) vs looking principled when impeaching them real fast while holding onto the presidency (and then continuing trump policies and scams with a less public face). I think the conclusion will be that it is easier to say trump is not a real republican and besides they never liked him anyway than to stand by their man. InsertPotPun fucked around with this message at 15:18 on May 22, 2018 |
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Ardennes posted:I would say impeachment is necessary since it is quite obvious that humiliation or corruption is enough for almost the entirety of the GOP to still support him. If Trump isn't impeached and convicted, he still spin the story that it shows finally he was innocent and it was a witch hunt all along. Most people have tuned out to the details, so it comes down to a showdown and for that, the Democrats need both houses. Impeachment isn't necessary, but abandoning the tradition of "You resigned or left office, so we'll drop the investigation" is required.
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One of the most clever things about arbitration is that the arbitration companies hire retired circuit court judges. This both creates incentive for current circuit court judges to...be favorably inclined to...certain interests which align with their eventual retirement plans, and ensures that their industry is stocked with the golfing buddies and law school chums of state and federal legislators and appellate court judges.
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KickerOfMice posted:I can see how the TV news (if that's what you're talking about,) might lead to that conclusion, especially if the news you are watching is owned by Sinclair Broadcasting. Also, there are just too many stupid turns in this to cover in a short segment. *ok nm, you're not American. Someone tell Avenatti that
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:Since we are officially less than 6 months from the election and now have public polling for every Senate race, here's a snapshot of what the election would look like if every single poll was exactly right and the election was today: Beto gonna win.
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Dems picking up Tennessee and Blackburn going down in flames would be almost too amazing to comprehend.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Wouldn't we need some serious increased staffing in the courts to make this viable? oh dear, a reason to expand the courts and appoint a buttload of new judges! but not necessarily - you would expect a lot of these claims to go forward in state courts rather than federal court.
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Ardennes posted:I would say impeachment is necessary since it is quite obvious that humiliation or corruption is enough for almost the entirety of the GOP to still support him. If Trump isn't impeached and convicted, he still spin the story that it shows finally he was innocent and it was a witch hunt all along. Most people have tuned out to the details, so it comes down to a showdown and for that, the Democrats need both houses. in my ideal universe he's defeated in 2020 and then officially impeached and removed from office in the lame duck
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Caros posted:
Trump Thread IV: No tweet but what we make for ourselves
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- The man most directly responsible is Seth Adam Meyers. In a few months, he will make fun of Trump at the White House Correspondents Dinner.
Go on. Then what?
- Why attack Russia? Aren't they his friends now?
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InsertPotPun posted:I think the current foofaraw about the Speaker of the House chair proves that something is coming for trump and pence. Or at least they think it is. It won't. Their base is never leaving Trump and that dictates their behavior.
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mcmagic posted:It won't. Their base is never leaving Trump and that dictates their behavior. what would be most damaging to trump with his base would be to be a loser: if he's responsible for them getting crushed in the midterms that hurts him a lot. strong daddy hurting the liberals doesn't play well with getting crushed by the liberals in the election and being tormented by investigations for two years.
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Reik posted:Beto gonna win. Polls schmolls, but dear lord I hope so. That dude is more than alright and, well let's be honest. Ted Cruz. Data Graham posted:Someone tell Avenatti that Haha, I like Avenatti purely for entertainment purposes because he's basically: THE MOOCH: LEGAL EAGLE 
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evilweasel posted:what would be most damaging to trump with his base would be to be a loser: if he's responsible for them getting crushed in the midterms that hurts him a lot. strong daddy hurting the liberals doesn't play well with getting crushed by the liberals in the election and being tormented by investigations for two years. They don't care about losing in the midterms because they don't care about getting anything done from a policy perspective.
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The only way the base leaves Trump is if a more charismatic authoritarian takes his place and I don't see that happening at least soon with the current Republican party. Trump is never getting removed through impeachment but I think if the Democrats take the House they need to at least try. The amount of things that have been happening that are absolutely corrupt can't just be hand waved away thinking that it won't absolutely de-legitimize the position of President. Even if there's no way the Senate would convict, there has to be a voting record of where people stand.
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mcmagic posted:They don't care about losing in the midterms because they don't care about getting anything done from a policy perspective. it's not about getting things done or not done. it's about being strong or weak.
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I have a bad feeling about Florida. I think Rick Scott's gonna win.
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WeAreTheRomans posted:McCain, famously A true maverick.  E: SpeakSlow posted:Try new Putin Cider, made from apples collected at irradiated Russian nuclear missile launch sites! Why go to war when you can just Putin Cider? 
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evilweasel posted:What you want is the ability to preserve being able to agree to commercial arbitration - company vs. company, for breach of contract - ahead of time but basically nothing else. Companies like breach of contract arbitration because you don't know ahead of time who will be in breach and litigation is loving expensive, so its in both parties' interest to agree ahead of time to arbitration. And that's fine, for two corporations. It's just not fine anywhere else. I think it would be better to blanket ban mandatory binding arbitration with exceptions for specific circumstances such as the company vs company situation you mentioned. Otherwise I would worry about it devolving into a game of whack-a-mole as corporations keep trying "creative" contract arrangements and Republican judges try to drive a truck through the smallest of loopholes.
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InsertPotPun posted:I think the current foofaraw about the Speaker of the House chair proves that something is coming for trump and pence. Or at least they think it is. The Republicans will never impeach Trump. His base would react violently and probably split the GOP in half for the foreseeable future.
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Radish posted:The only way the base leaves Trump is if a more charismatic authoritarian takes his place and I don't see that happening at least soon with the current Republican party. Hard to make that claim when Special Counsel still hasn't submitted it's findings. jklfdsa posted:The Republicans will never impeach Trump. His base would react violently and probably split the GOP in half for the foreseeable future. Those pissbabies will never bring it.
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Pakled posted:I have a bad feeling about Florida. I think Rick Scott's gonna win.
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jklfdsa posted:The Republicans will never impeach Trump. His base would react violently and probably split the GOP in half for the foreseeable future.
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InsertPotPun posted:I think trump's base is part easily distracted party hard liners that will fall in line with the slightest breeze, and loving assholes who will just...stop caring and not vote at all. It's fuckin' this. If Mueller report shows that Trump is a doer of crimes, impeachment becomes a lot more likely. The establishment shitheads in Washington would be fine with Pence being president, and it's looking increasingly likely Pence won't be caught up in this.
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evilweasel posted:it's not about getting things done or not done. it's about being strong or weak. I don't think they will view Dear Leader's being strong or weak in the context of what happens to congressional Republicans. Chilichimp posted:It's fuckin' this. There is literally no crime Trump could be found out to have done that would result in impeachment unless it's a Dem House.
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mcmagic posted:They don't care about losing in the midterms because they don't care about getting anything done from a policy perspective. This is wrong and you know it. Don't be too McMagic, McMagic.
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InsertPotPun posted:I think trump's base is part easily distracted party hard liners that will fall in line with the slightest breeze, and loving assholes who will just...stop caring and not vote at all. The Trump base is anything but leaves on a breeze. This guy validated their bullshit, and they chose to see him as strong. They're hard-bolted onto this until the end, whatever that may be. e- He is quite literally their avatar. VVVVV Agreeing with McMagic. 
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TyroneGoldstein posted:This is wrong and you know it. Don't be too McMagic, McMagic. You think Trump's base cares about policy? lol
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mcmagic posted:I don't think they will view Dear Leader's being strong or weak in the context of what happens to congressional Republicans. It's extremely likely to be, which is why I even brought it up. There's enough never-trump decorum senators on the republican side to possibly lead to impeachment if the evidence of crimes is compelling enough.
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The other significant problem is the people who recognize that Trump is extremely bad, but don't care to realize that the rot runs deep into the rest of the GOP at this point.
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