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Tahirovic posted:I wonder if the lack of Victoria III is based on financial estimates or if just nobody has a good idea how to actually do it. Keep in mind they have to figure out how to make a new version of the pop system and the economy. Last I read nobody really has a clue how those worked exactly. I was under the impression that pops from Victoria and characters from ck2 were confirmed features of the new Rome game. Although probably a "streamlined" version. Edit: ck2 not cow
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uPen posted:Stellaris has really turned around. It was hot garbage for a long time but the 2.0 update turned it into an actual (good) game.
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Top Hats Monthly posted:As yet unanounced Bronze Age Game->Imperator->Atilla TW->CK2->EU4->March of the Eagles->Victoria II->Darkest Hour->DEFCON->Colonizing Mars->Stellaris ftfy
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Drone posted:I always get the feeling that Kaiserreich is a good concept executed by a team that couldn't gamedesign their way out of a wet paper bag. c/d? Kaiserreich's problem is actually pretty easy to understand; it's open and a huge public undertaking. There are way to many people on the boat and no one to really control things. (There's probably quality control folks etc etc, sure, but nothing to keep the whole game "tight.") This was unfortunately pretty much a guarantee to happen, as Darkest Hour's was still how DH was sold to this day, making it a popular thing from the onset. And people wanted to chip in and make it better and, sure, HoI's is probably better then DH content wise at this point, but it got real messy while all the groundbreaking for DH was done by one or two people before it took off and got super popular. (Being stuck doing everything by unwieldy events helps in DH's favor too.) They don't seem to have nearly enough people to tell them "no." What really needs to happen is that someone swings around with enough moxie to make their own mod like KR and start the process anew, until HoI5. 
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DrSunshine posted:I don't quite "get" people playing HOI4->Stellaris campaigns. Whatever the state of the world is when you leave it at HOI4, it's still got to be just one civilization by the time you get to Stellaris. You may as well just start as the Commonwealth of Man or the United Nations of Earth in Stellaris, and ditch the mega-campaign before then. About the only time I saw that transition done well was the old Game Designers Workshop pen and paper RPGs where they did a futuristic game (2300 AD) which was on the same timeline as their post-apocalyptic war RPG (Twilight: 2000). Earth got better! (and considerably more French - mainly because the in-house game they played to game out the future history was "won" by the guy who was playing the French)
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May 22, 2018 14:47
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Is this an actual conversion tool? Because I'd think that it would be a hell of a lot easier to simply create a custom race based on what you think the world looks like/should look like after you're done with the campaign. Or is the tool to insert your hoi civilization as a pre-spaceflight race somewhere on the map?
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Someone did a tool, not sure if that's what's being discussed. https://www.reddit.com/r/paradoxplaza/comments/7u4zy6/hoi4_to_stellaris_converter_01_released/
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Lum_ posted:About the only time I saw that transition done well was the old Game Designers Workshop pen and paper RPGs where they did a futuristic game (2300 AD) which was on the same timeline as their post-apocalyptic war RPG (Twilight: 2000). Earth got better! (and considerably more French - mainly because the in-house game they played to game out the future history was "won" by the guy who was playing the French) Holy poo poo I loved Twilight:2000! Do you have a link to this?
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Yep, as linked just above me, there's an actual HoI4->Stellaris tool now. It's not my jokes about having made a tool but really telling you to use the in-game designer. It's a legit thing that will apparently have multiple powers starting out different places.
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IAmThatIs posted:Holy poo poo I loved Twilight:2000! Do you have a link to this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2300_AD http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/413/2300--AD-Mans-Battle-for-the-Stars?it=1 - main rules system for 2300 AD http://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/422/2300-AD-Earth-Cybertech-Sourcebook?it=1 - sourcebook which details the state of Earth in 2300 (Texas is independent, the US is reunited otherwise but still a recovering nation, Asia's a mess, Europe is basically French because they had the good sense to be neutral in the Twilight War) From Wikipedia: quote:To create 300 years of background history for their science-fiction RPG 2300 AD, GDW staff members participated in an in-house simulation called "The Great Game", with Frank Chadwick as referee. Starting with the world situation in 2000 following the Twilight War, players controlled one or more countries and guided them through 300 years of development, including the discovery of faster-than-light space travel, colonization of other Earthlike planets, and contact with a variety of sentient aliens. The staff member playing France, John Harshman, did exceptionally well, leading to France being the supreme superpower in 2300. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twilight:_2000#Original_setting Also, don't bother with the reboots of Twilight 2000, they're complete trash. Lum_ fucked around with this message at 15:53 on May 22, 2018 |
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Oh my god, this sounds like the best GSG. Like a combination of HOI4 and V3 but presaging Stellaris. Paradox needs to make this.
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quote:GDW staff members participated in an in-house simulation called "The Great Game", with Frank Chadwick as referee. Starting with the world situation in 2000 following the Twilight War, players controlled one or more countries and guided them through 300 years of development, including the discovery of faster-than-light space travel, colonization of other Earthlike planets, and contact with a variety of sentient aliens. DrSunshine posted:Oh my god, this sounds like the best GSG. Like a combination of HOI4 and V3 but presaging Stellaris. Paradox needs to make this. Spoiler for the Expanse: Future seasons/books not yet filmed include literally all those things so an Expanse GSG would work nicely.
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May 22, 2018 16:58
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Grillfiend posted:ftfy The absolute insanity of this would be amazing
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Lum_ posted:Spoiler for the Expanse: uhhhn 
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Gamerofthegame posted:hoi4 is fun in multiplayer, it's hot garbo in multiplayer A bold take.
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May 22, 2018 18:21
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Schrödinger's multiplayer
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Dwesa posted:The opposite happened to me, 2.0 has glacial pace, the game still feels shallow, now even more than before and it seems to me like the devs cannot make up their minds. Maybe in 3 years, I might try it again. I'd heard this is pretty much what happened. I think somewhere on reddit it was mentioned that Doomdark didn't have a strong background in 4X games, and was focusing more on the emergent story side of things. Unfortunately, the rest of the game suffered for this and Wiz was brought in to bring a more coherent design to Doom's vision.
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JerikTelorian posted:I'd heard this is pretty much what happened. I think somewhere on reddit it was mentioned that Doomdark didn't have a strong background in 4X games, and was focusing more on the emergent story side of things. Unfortunately, the rest of the game suffered for this and Wiz was brought in to bring a more coherent design to Doom's vision. The problem of course is that everything is a compromise, everything is a kludge. I sort of wish they'd just stop all the DLC for Stellaris and start working on Stellaris 2.
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y'all are crazy, stellaris has been getting better with every patch
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I've thought Stellaris was pretty fun since 1.0. Why am I a horrible person?
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Fuligin posted:y'all are crazy, stellaris has been getting better with every patch It's been a real 5 steps forward 3 steps back 1 step sideways sort of thing with each update though. We payin' to try to bolt a good game on top of a bad game but it'll never be really great because the foundation is so hosed.
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Baronjutter posted:It's been a real 5 steps forward 3 steps back 1 step sideways sort of thing with each update though. We payin' to try to bolt a good game on top of a bad game but it'll never be really great because the foundation is so hosed. I mean I use to think that too, but wiz is pretty ruthlessly tearing those foundations down and building anew. Rest in piss tiles. As an actual 4x it's much more tightly paced, and when diplo is finally implemented it might actually be a Very Good Game.
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Fuligin posted:y'all are crazy, stellaris has been getting better with every patch A lot of goons really want to hate it.
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Fuligin posted:I mean I use to think that too, but wiz is pretty ruthlessly tearing those foundations down and building anew. Rest in piss tiles. As an actual 4x it's much more tightly paced, and when diplo is finally implemented it might actually be a Very Good Game. Yeah he is, and I think he's mostly on the right track, but I think the end result would be better if he was just ruthlessly making a new game from the ground up and releasing it in a year or two.
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Fuligin posted:I mean I use to think that too, but wiz is pretty ruthlessly tearing those foundations down and building anew. Rest in piss tiles. As an actual 4x it's much more tightly paced, and when diplo is finally implemented it might actually be a Very Good Game. Yeah, I don't think Stellaris is hopeless like, say, HoI4 is, but it sucks to be over a year(is it 2 now? I don't even know) since it released and still talking about how amazing it might be one day.
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Fuligin posted:I mean I use to think that too, but wiz is pretty ruthlessly tearing those foundations down and building anew. Rest in piss tiles. As an actual 4x it's much more tightly paced, and when diplo is finally implemented it might actually be a Very Good Game. Yeah, I'm with you. Ripping out both alternate FTL styles like that is a move in scale almost unheard of in games nowadays, but he did it because it'll make the game better, and he's shown no problem doing that with other things. Baronjutter posted:Yeah he is, and I think he's mostly on the right track, but I think the end result would be better if he was just ruthlessly making a new game from the ground up and releasing it in a year or two. I'd agree if it wasn't for the fact that paradox actively develops their games for what seems to be an eternity now, so I think in the end this will make it faster. JerikTelorian fucked around with this message at 01:13 on May 23, 2018 |
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Mans posted:A bold take. technically accurate still Beamed posted:Yeah, I don't think Stellaris is hopeless like, say, HoI4 is, but it sucks to be over a year(is it 2 now? I don't even know) since it released and still talking about how amazing it might be one day. tbh I think it is. It's a game that tries to have random variance in otherwise fairly generic and lifeless empires via tech and events, except tech just means you might lag beyond the various milestones purely out of chance (looking at you, neighbor who got destroyers while I was still piddling at tier one weapons) and for both that and events there are objectively correct and superior choices, even if they sometimes swap around on major patches. (Except strikecraft being dumpsters, of course.) This in combination with the fact that there really isn't a lot of choice in the first place makes things very weird. And bad. It feels like they were inspired by Sword of the Stars and it's whole random tech tree, giving the various races different feels and then giving empires within the same species different tech possibilities ontop of that, while just attaching it to a short tech tree out of Civilization. And even then, both SotS and Civ (although the former especially) had a tactical combat system of some sort where differences in tech paths could be leveraged in your tactics and approach, where in Stellaris you shove your fleet into their fleet and hope the numbers pan out. I don't think the whole core design premise for Stellaris can lead to a good game. It probably ought to have been EU4 in spaaaace, with a million idea groups replacing tech or something.
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It would be fun to have a big tech overhaul for Stellaris, where each ethos gives more unique techs, there is a unique tree for like bio/hive minds, whole sub trees can randomly exist or not exist in a given game, etc.
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Stellaris is good as hell, and where are the Rome dev diaries
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JerikTelorian posted:Yeah, I'm with you. Ripping out both alternate FTL styles like that is a move in scale almost unheard of in games nowadays, but he did it because it'll make the game better, and he's shown no problem doing that with other things. Yeah, but I liked both of those FTL systems a lot better than the one they kept, so why would I ever bother to play again? And what was wrong with tiles? They made perfect sense.
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Drone posted:So for the goons that were able to go to PDXCon this year: was going to the event itself worth it? Someone (Ofaloaf?) had mentioned before that they kinda ran out of things to do my mid-afternoon on Saturday. Did Sunday's events/panels/etc. and the party thing make up for it?
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Charlz Guybon posted:And what was wrong with tiles? They made perfect sense. its make work that mostly exists to add on pointless micro
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Charlz Guybon posted:And what was wrong with tiles? They made perfect sense. The thing that infuriated me was that when you started to get to mid to late game stuff, it became increasingly annoying to deal with different species, migration, constant building of the same poo poo, and where the AI wanted to grow a pop on newer worlds. It was just beyond tedious and became more and more cumbersome as the game dragged on. If this new system helps deal with that, I'll be pretty happy. It will also be interesting to see if some planets will get more than 25 slots in it.
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tiles also were a vector for player agency to directly turn into a game advantage, because the AI is worse at using tiles than a smart player kinda like how wokers in the civ games are one of the ways a human wins over the AI
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The lame thing about tiles is the game doesn't take advantage of it at all. There should be adjacency bonuses and choices to be made and instead it's just a dull tedium of clicking.
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uPen posted:The lame thing about tiles is the game doesn't take advantage of it at all. There should be adjacency bonuses and choices to be made and instead it's just a dull tedium of clicking. I think there are adjacency bonuses for the capital buildings, but I can't recall any aside from that. Like how in democratic government types in Stellaris there's an "electoral mandate" mechanic, but the only thing it does is make every leader in the history of your society either elected on a "build four mining stations" platform or a "build four research stations" platform. Stellaris seems to have quite a few mechanics that barely exist.
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Groogy posted:There were more adjacency bonuses at launch but people didn't like them from what I can recall? I think the reason was that they were too strong. Mines would boost adjacent mines and so players would ignore tiles and just put mines on every tile.
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