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I thought it was implied by Ford that the tattoos were remnants of Arnold's original maze plan and he never got around to removing them, then held off on removing them entirely after Ake discovered them. I could be wrong tho I drank a lot of wine and smoked a lot of weed last night.
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So Hale was just chillin in the Mesa from when she was almost scapled by Doloros, until 11 days later when Bernard and Strand show up? Also she knew the Cradle had been blown up for 11 days (or so), so why was it a 'reveal' in the 11day timeline about that? (I know for the audience).
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esperterra posted:I thought it was implied by Ford that the tattoos were remnants of Arnold's original maze plan and he never got around to removing them, then held off on removing them entirely after Ake discovered them. The second ghost Nation guy 'teary' told Ake to 'hide it from them' before Ake scalped him. I'm assuming Ake was giving the symbol out.
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Jun 11, 2018 21:25
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Ake scalped one of his fellow ghost nation guys in one scene (consensually). If it wasn't for tattooing him then I don't know why he would have been doing that.
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Jun 11, 2018 21:26
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Jun 11, 2018 21:28
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I think the maze is some kind of mandala https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mandala When hosts contemplate it there is some programming Arnold embedded deep in them that helps them develop consciousness
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Jun 11, 2018 21:46
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Just a little aside here, a Youtuber I follow, Adam the Woo, visited the set of Escalante, the town with the church and the site of both of Dolores's massacres. He mistakenly says that only the church was used in Westworld, but in fact the entire street was used. What's really cool is that it is part of a public national park and anyone can walk around and explore it fore free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kt2T8kyPPtg
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SweetMercifulCrap! posted:Just a little aside here, a Youtuber I follow, Adam the Woo, visited the set of Escalante, the town with the church and the site of both of Dolores's massacres. He mistakenly says that only the church was used in Westworld, but in fact the entire street was used. What's really cool is that it is part of a public national park and anyone can walk around and explore it fore free. Yeah, that town has been in pretty much every Spaghetti Western and a few episodes of Carnivale, even! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Sky_Ranch
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Jun 11, 2018 22:18
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JaySB posted:1. He's been drawing/carving it on everything for 30+ years. I know what you mean but calling this "getting woke" is hilarious. "Ghost Nation is woke as gently caress, brah" ED: I really wish more episodes were like this during the season. There's been some aggressively stupid poo poo. Blazing Ownager fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Jun 11, 2018 |
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PowerBuilder3 posted:I bugs me more that they are standing. It takes massive amount of processing logic to stand. What's the first thing that goes wrong with bipedal robots today? They fall over a lot. Anyway, I think this might be my favorite episode of the entire series.
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Jun 12, 2018 00:13
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LividLiquid posted:It's a better visual the way they did it. also cheaper because they just have a bunch of extras stand in a room instead of building shelves or whatever
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Jun 12, 2018 00:15
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ArmZ posted:also cheaper because they just have a bunch of extras stand in a room instead of building shelves or whatever "I'm gonna be in Westworld, check it out." "Dude, I saw your dick, what the gently caress."
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Jun 12, 2018 00:17
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I wonder how much the extras that have to get in a big naked body pile are paid.
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drunken officeparty posted:I wonder how much the extras that have to get in a big naked body pile are paid. -must be comfortable being naked in front of others. -must be comfortable touching others genitals. -must be comfortable holding contorted poses for extended periods while naked and touching others genitals. -and it just goes on like that
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Jun 12, 2018 00:25
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The Chad Ghost Warrior vs virgin normie brave
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bring back old gbs posted:background actor scale. they say nothing and faces are barely visible. Westworld casting calls leak sometimes and it's always like: the union hasn't negotiated a standard nudity rate???? terrible representation!!!
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Do native Americans really speak their own language that slowly yuh or is it just because the actor are reciting lines in a language they don't know? I feel like it's the same in every show or movie I've seen.
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nickmeister posted:Do native Americans really speak their own language that slowly yuh or is it just because the actor are reciting lines in a language they don't know? I feel like it's the same in every show or movie I've seen. Zahn McLarnon is Lakota, so maybe you can tweet at him.
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ArmZ posted:the union hasn't negotiated a standard nudity rate???? terrible representation!!! There was a big controversy prior to S1 when the casting call for nudes got leaked and they were paid standard extra rates, but because of the balleyhoo they got a raise: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/live-feed/westworld-sexually-explicit-casting-contract-828287
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Jun 12, 2018 00:44
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Pretty sure it was a stylistic choice, and it was effective.
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Cojawfee posted:Zahn McLarnon is Lakota, so maybe you can tweet at him. Good idea. I'll ask him later and see if he responds.
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nickmeister posted:Do native Americans really speak their own language that slowly yuh or is it just because the actor are reciting lines in a language they don't know? I feel like it's the same in every show or movie I've seen. Zahn McLarnon isn't a native Lakota speaker and needed help from a language coach to prepare for his role in the show.
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Fun Fact: Zahn McLarnon is half Irish!ArmZ posted:just got to watch the ep. it was good. I hope mclarnon gets more good roles in the future. On Longmire he plays an rear end in a top hat Rez cop who it turns out has a heart of gold (and justice). On The Son he plays a warrior who captures Young Pierce Brosnan, first as a slave, then as his surrogate father teaching him Native ways. He kills it in both.
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Astroman posted:Fun Fact: Zahn McLarnon is half Irish! Ah, that's where he got those sweet little manboobs from!
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Astroman posted:On Longmire he plays an rear end in a top hat Rez cop... never struck me as an rear end in a top hat, just someone who had to be above reproach given his job and background. it turned to static with walt, but let's be honest, longmire is a dirty cop. great lawman though.
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Varance posted:Ake accidentally shutting down or not knowing how to re-engage cold storage is probably the reason why the cooling system failed prior to the events of the first episode of the first season, in which case, bravo for having that level of continuity. It's a bit of a stretch, though. That happened ~10 years after Arnold's death (they mention Ake had been out there 9 years - when they created the Ghost Nation - and was seriously out of date) and Arnold's death is what ~25-30 years before the events of the main plot of the show.
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nickmeister posted:Do native Americans really speak their own language that slowly yuh or is it just because the actor are reciting lines in a language they don't know? I feel like it's the same in every show or movie I've seen. There was an interview several pages ago: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/06/zahn-mcclarnon-westworld-breaks-down-his-tour-de-f.html McClarnon says that he can speak it, but he's not fluent and had a dialect coach help.
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Astroman posted:Fun Fact: Zahn McLarnon is half Irish! He was great in Longmire. I’m glad he’s been getting so much work in the last few years.
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nickmeister posted:Do native Americans really speak their own language that slowly yuh or is it just because the actor are reciting lines in a language they don't know? I feel like it's the same in every show or movie I've seen. etalian posted:Zahn McLarnon isn't a native Lakota speaker and needed help from a language coach to prepare for his role in the show. geeves posted:There was an interview several pages ago: https://www.pastemagazine.com/articles/2018/06/zahn-mcclarnon-westworld-breaks-down-his-tour-de-f.html Thanks for the interview link. I had written then deleted something in a previous post about how I didn't think McLarnon was a fully fluent speaker based on his cadence and sometimes his consonants weren't as guttural as they should be. That is entirely typical for someone of his generation - he spent time on Lakota reservations and so would have been exposed to the language as a kid. It's common for Lakota to have partial but not full fluency. His parents' generation would have been subjected to the worst of the boarding school years, where many Natives where shipped off to boarding schools and literally beaten if they spoke their language and taught to be ashamed of everything Native. They were also banned from practicing many traditional rituals like the Sun Dance, it was pretty brutal repression and cultural genocide. In my experience, many Lakota age 70+ are fluent and often spoke it as their first language at home. Then the next generation (age 40-60 or so) is partly fluent because they heard it some but due to the boarding schools many parents didn't pass on the language. Then you get to the 1970s and the American Indian Movement when government laws enforcing repression were repealed, boarding schools shut down, tribal colleges established, etc. So, the language and culture has experienced a revival in the last few decades but it partially skipped McLarnon's generation. A fully fluent/native speaker would speak faster but it's tough to pronounce if you're mostly a native English speaker. There are a lot of guttural consonants and combinations of consonants not found in English (kshto, gmu, hla, gna, kpo, kte, gpo, mni as some example syllables) plus tons of nasal vowels. I can pronounce it ok but slowly, it's hard to produce the sounds rapidly without a lot of practice. *disclaimer* I am not remotely an expert, my knowledge is based on going to tribal schools, living on the rez, and now working at a tribal college where I've taken two language and a culture course. I'm familiar with the basics but am not Lakota.
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Why did Ake so readily hand over William to his daughter? Seemed a little haphazard
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Sharks Eat Bear posted:Why did Ake so readily hand over William to his daughter? Seemed a little haphazard Didn't want the liability of having him around anyway
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He also sort of saved William. He likely would have died if nobody had found him.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Didn't want the liability of having him around anyway The liability of him dying on his watch, I assume you mean. The show did forget to show us them doing anything about William getting shot a bunch.
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Ake is not vengeful or violent, despite the show previously stereotyping the Ghost Nation this way. They were simply following their narratives to not get caught and mindfuck by QA. But left to his own choices he'd rather William, or anybody for that matter, not die. No matter what choices were made in previous lives. I really want to know what ghost nation wanted with Sizemore though. Maeve wasn't interesting enough at the time but they sure wanted Sizemore in their camp. Knowing now they weren't going to simply murder him, what was the plan?
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Ake is not vengeful or violent, despite the show previously stereotyping the Ghost Nation this way. They were simply following their narratives to not get caught and mindfuck by QA. I thought Ake said something to the effect that he didn't let William die so he could make him suffer more, as death was too easy a release (?). And then his daughter waltzes in and says she's gonna gently caress him up worse and that's proof enough to let him go? And now I'm losing track of the timelines -- didn't his daughter escape from the Ghost Nation earlier? Or does that happen later? In any event it's not like a major issue, but just kind of feels overall sloppy how they're giving William some serious plot armor when the whole point of his plot this season has been that he doesn't have armor anymore... Judge Schnoopy posted:I really want to know what ghost nation wanted with Sizemore though. Maeve wasn't interesting enough at the time but they sure wanted Sizemore in their camp. Knowing now they weren't going to simply murder him, what was the plan? I'm wondering if Ghost Nation's interest in acquiring as many real humans as possible was trying to get intel on finding the door/accessing the real world. They wanted Sizemore, they captured Stubbs and William's daughter...
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Johnny Five-Jaces posted:I thought this episode was garbage, personally To me this felt like a great episode of a different season of this show. Some kind of alternative Season 2.
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Judge Schnoopy posted:Ake is not vengeful or violent, despite the show previously stereotyping the Ghost Nation this way. They were simply following their narratives to not get caught and mindfuck by QA. wrong "Death is a passage from this brutal world. You don't deserve the exit." "Then why heal him? I want him to hurt. We want the same thing. But my way will be much, much worse." Aki and his band are plenty violent and vengeful. They actually do a really good job of portraying traditional Lakota attitudes towards conflict and resolution. It's rather all-or-nothing, if you want to war with us we will gently caress you up. If you want a peace, we will hold the treaty sacred to an incredible degree. That's largely why the Sioux (Lakota, Dakota, Nakota groups) are understandably raw about how the Treaty of Laramie agreements have been repeatedly abrogated by the US federal government. They were made a promise of a large tract of unceded land, that was repeatedly annexed and reduced by the US gov't. Oh, the Black Hills are sacred to you? Too bad, we found gold there and we're going to annex it to make room for white settlers. The Lakota position is basically: look, you made these treaty agreements then repeatedly broke them. What the gently caress? Give us our land back per your treaty, assholes.
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There are other seasons... and this season is not the right one.
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Pellisworth posted:wrong I assumed Ake was lying here to keep up the ghost nation facade to humans, and that Willam was a means to get information about the door. Like Sizemore, and William's daughter. They let all three roll in and get away despite having means to capture them repeatedly. Though my theory could also easily be due to bad plot armor bullshit. Occams razor and all... E: to my point, the hosts are off their leashes. Do we have any confirmed human kills from the ghost nation? Ake saw Ford had died, got his people together, and haven't been shown to hurt anybody. The only arrows we see used were a lovely trap. Dolores even kills a ghost nation dude saying he didn't deserve to make it. Something she says about hosts not willing to murder for their freedom. Judge Schnoopy fucked around with this message at 05:50 on Jun 12, 2018 |
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