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CJ posted:Can't be Togusa? loving dropped. Even Togusa had some cybernetic implants, he just didn't have nearly as many modifications as the rest of his team.
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Gambit from the X-Men posted:Look at these chumps who won't be playing Hiro Protagonist That's because Snow Crash is trash. 
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MeatwadIsGod posted:That's because Snow Crash is trash. Hell yeah, if there is one piece of work responsible for degrading cyberpunk to the level of a shameful guilty pleasure, it's Snow Crash.
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steinrokkan posted:Hell yeah, if there is one piece of work responsible for degrading cyberpunk to the level of a shameful guilty pleasure, it's Snow Crash. cyberpunk was already at that level when philip k dick was writing it
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CottonWolf posted:The TV series of Altered Carbon made some pretty incomprehensible changes from the book. I've only read (well, listened) to the first one, but my understanding is that the changes they've made would actually make the later books unadaptable, so they'll almost certainly have to come up with their own novel storyline. Nah you could probably do the second book without issue, the third one yeah.
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Yorkshire Pudding posted:Just thinking about this game has got me on a Cyberpunk kick, so I watched Altered Carbon on Netflix. It's not bad, scratches the itch, and also has a scene that's just a cop fighting a bunch of sexy naked clones. Cyberpunk 2077 will probably help a whole load of similar shows get pushed over the edge into production.
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CottonWolf posted:The TV series of Altered Carbon made some pretty incomprehensible changes from the book. I've only read (well, listened) to the first one, but my understanding is that the changes they've made would actually make the later books unadaptable, so they'll almost certainly have to come up with their own novel storyline. I’ve read all three, and I think they could get there. They’d have to tweak the motivations of his comrades for the third one, but the second is standalone enough that it shouldn’t be that difficult. Which is good, because AIUI they’ve signed up for two more. (I think the changes to the plot of the show were reasonable given their need to compress the story.)
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steinrokkan posted:Hell yeah, if there is one piece of work responsible for degrading cyberpunk to the level of a shameful guilty pleasure, it's Snow Crash. At least we're reaching the point where the present day is a somewhat interesting if very depressing Cyberpunk situation, judging from the CSPAM thread. 
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Earwicker posted:cyberpunk was already at that level when philip k dick was writing it PK Dick would have been remembered as another Kurt Vonnegut or Isaac Asimov had people like Stephenson not poisoned the well.
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Vonnegut is the only sci-fi author that really has mainstream literary cred but Dick is absolutely considered the same level of quality and importance as authors like Asimov.
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steinrokkan posted:PK Dick would have been remembered as another Kurt Vonnegut or Isaac Asimov had people like Stephenson not poisoned the well. no not really, Dick wasn't a good writer. he had some cool ideas that influenced a ton of media but so much of his actual writing is terrible
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Earwicker posted:no not really, Dick wasn't a good writer. he had some cool ideas that influenced a ton of media but so much of his actual writing is terrible WTF, Scanner Darky or DADOES are absolutely well written novels. If anything they are much better written, much more dynamic than anything by the commonly accepted sci-fi classics like Clarke or Asimov or Heinlein.
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steinrokkan posted:WTF, Scanner Darky or DADOES are absolutely well written novels. If anything they are much better written, much more dynamic than anything by the commonly accepted sci-fi classics like Clarke or Asimov or Heinlein. yeah scanner darkly is pretty good but that's definitely a pretty rare exception and even there most of the characters are pretty thin. the bulk of dick's work is stuff he shat out for quick money. don't get me wrong i love it, but it is not good
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It's mainly dick's earlier stuff like MitHC that has awkward and bland prose. He got better as a writer as he got further from his pulp novel-mill roots.
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Arglebargle III posted:You know why. Pondsmith loving loves katanas.
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Earwicker posted:yeah scanner darkly is pretty good but that's definitely a pretty rare exception and even there most of the characters are pretty thin. the bulk of dick's work is stuff he shat out for quick money. don't get me wrong i love it, but it is not good I thought Ubik was pretty good.
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VALIS is an objectively good book, even by mainstream standards
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Subjunctive posted:
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JBP posted:Pondsmith loving loves katanas. Now I want a Cyberpunk katana unboxing holo-vid. "It's transparent aluminium nano-tape!"
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MeatwadIsGod posted:I was kinda hoping for the option of completing the game with no cybernetics at all, if only to have a Hell difficulty after beating the game a few times. In my futuristic cybergame, I don't want to be. :broke brains:
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DXHR had a no cybers achievement. At least for the DLC. I don’t remember if it mattered for the base game, but it was possible.
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You mean aside from your robot arms and Ray-Ban and entirely rebuilt torso?
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Just saying it was there, my dude.
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I imagine a no augmentation run of this game would be like a no powers run of Dishonered. Even if it's possible it would be super boring.
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gently caress yeah time for cyber punk 2077. *Makes a contemporary 2010 person*
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Glenn Quebec posted:gently caress yeah time for cyber punk 2077. *Makes a contemporary 2010 person* you are being kind of weird. lotek/antitech characters and mentalities within cyberpunk worlds have been a thing for pretty much the whole history of the genre. it makes sense that someone might want to try playing that way for a challenge Earwicker fucked around with this message at 17:24 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Earwicker posted:you are being kind of weird. lotek/antitech characters and mentalities within cyberpunk worlds have been a thing for pretty much the whole history of the genre. it makes sense that someone might want to try playing that way for a challenge Abandon the weakness of the flesh for sicknasty laser eyes 
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Gonna build me a character with a fully metallic mohawk made of chromed out chain link fence and bicycle spokes complete with hidden compartments for my echolocator and meat snack for when I’m on the go. Should go great with my single-lens color changing jet ski sunglasses. edit: Gonna name him Chromehawk. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 18:50 on Jun 25, 2018 |
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Earwicker posted:you are being kind of weird. lotek/antitech characters and mentalities within cyberpunk worlds have been a thing for pretty much the whole history of the genre. it makes sense that someone might want to try playing that way for a challenge Maybe in something like shadowrun where you get magic to make up for the lack of cybernetics.
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Glenn Quebec posted:Maybe in something like shadowrun where you get magic to make up for the lack of cybernetics. or you just leave it as a challenge run after youve bearen the game multiple times
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Glenn Quebec posted:Maybe in something like shadowrun where you get magic to make up for the lack of cybernetics. Shadowrun is my jam, but that's not really the cyberpunk story, is it? The gulf between the rich and poor has widened and technology has matured to the point where the rich can literally buy being better than everyone else. Who cares what you look like if you can buy a new face? How do you compete with people whose parents could afford to buy them neurological upgrades?
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Glenn Quebec posted:Maybe in something like shadowrun where you get magic to make up for the lack of cybernetics.
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Ravenfood posted:Nah, most stories feature someone who usually roams around screaming "we didn't ask if we should!!!!!" about tech. Yeah I know but playing as that guy sounds dumb as heck. Inb4 "I never asked for this"
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wiegieman posted:How do you compete with people whose parents could afford to buy them neurological upgrades? 
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Glenn Quebec posted:Yeah I know but playing as that guy sounds dumb as heck. I dunno man, it has a certain appeal. Similar to playing a magebasher in a magic-oriented fantasy game.
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I mean who wants to do an SL1 run in Dark Souls when the game is about using souls to pump your RPG stats?
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Ravenfood posted:Nah, most stories feature someone who usually roams around screaming "we didn't ask if we should!!!!!" about tech. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOovtZXYqj4
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Look Sir Droids posted:I mean who wants to do an SL1 run in Dark Souls when the game is about using souls to pump your RPG stats? That's not the same thing. Cyberpunk looks like the kind game wants to make a story that makes sense around the three classes to chose from. An anti tech hobo doesn't make sense next to the other classes And wouldn't make sense in the larger story they are gonna try to present. It's not like dark souls and using a dagger instead of a sword or not leveling
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Ragg posted:How do you know a megacorp hasn't hidden some nasty feature in your cyberware and one day you wake up and sell out everyone you care about This was one of the few good things about Human Revolution and I wouldn't mind something like it showing up for a quest.
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