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Also just to throw this out, flerps recent posting read as genuine and I am gonna firmly put him in the lean town category As of right now I think we should vote: Beet or Anpu (prefer beet in this circumstance) Dancer Maybe TNL I feel less confident about: Mona IP Slam I feel good about Flerp bminus
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Also while rereading I just caught this interaction IcePhoenix posted:I don't know if that's good or bad. Moatillata posted:I would like to hear this theory IcePhoenix posted:I'm not going to possibly out a townie role on d2 IP what was your theory? Just curious
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I haven't even considered Dancer, sort of forgot he was in the game. Also moat, fwiw I feel reasonably confident that mona and slamburger are town. I'm also getting towny vibes from icephoenix now. PArt of me thinks that we need to settle the anpu/beet fiasco. But I'm definitely gonna take a closer look at dancer now.
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b-minus1 posted:I haven't even considered Dancer, sort of forgot he was in the game. Also moat, fwiw I feel reasonably confident that mona and slamburger are town. I'm also getting towny vibes from icephoenix now. I kinda go back and forth I would really like a scum flip so I can feel more confident Slam and Mona are more  because I know they both can play good scum games especially slam.
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Moatillata posted:Also while rereading I just caught this interaction Soda outright said it earlier, Lie Detector I just got home from a work event, gonna eat and then do some reading
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Jul 19, 2018 23:36
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IcePhoenix posted:Soda outright said it earlier, Lie Detector reading of the thread, not, like, something unrelated to the game
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Jul 19, 2018 23:37
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IcePhoenix posted:Soda outright said it earlier, Lie Detector Ah gotcha I missed it
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b-minus1 posted:I haven't even considered Dancer, sort of forgot he was in the game. Also moat, fwiw I feel reasonably confident that mona and slamburger are town. I'm also getting towny vibes from icephoenix now. I actually agree with this. I think the vote if it’s not Beetphyxious it should be me. Can you not imagine the pandemonium and chaos if I was the victim of the jailer night kill and no one knew whether I was town or scum? It would literally ruin the game. I urge everyone to vote Beetphyxious so that we can at least lynch a scum, but if there is chaos and confusion then I would not mind being lynched.
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How do we know the night kills were performed by a jailer? Did I miss something?
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he's mixing up jailor and janitor
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flerp posted:he's mixing up jailor and janitor Oh yes I am. Thank you. Result stays the same.
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there's no need to set up a "its me or him" situation, because there are other people in this game who can be scum. i still havent been convinced of beet's scumminess, and i feel like anpu's nonsense is actually a townie thing. i dont want to lynch either of them today, as frustrated as this game has been. likewise, beet and anpu both actually post and id rather not have this game become filled with lurkers. i genuinely believe IP is scum, and i like bits of moat's case on dancer, but i dont feel super confident on dancer (also 2 be frank when i threw out dancer's name, i had named him because of a false memory of his post history being really weak, but when i reread it, i was surprised by how actually decent it was, despite its low post count). dancer has actually engaged with this game a lot more than IP has, despite IP having more posts than dancer, and to quote anpu, i believe dancer has "consistently acted truthfully and brazenly" because he seems to be thinking about posts and trying to figure things out. idk when i compare dancer's post history to IP's post history, i see dancer who seems to be putting in some amount of effort, like explaining his votes and looking like they do want to find scum, and IP, who still hasnt explained why he thinks beet is scum, and acts consistently defensive w/o showing any desire to find scum. from my pov my lurker lynch priority is IP then dancer. im gonna look thru TNL's posts in a sec and ill give my definitive Lurker Lunch List™
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Moatillata posted:I kinda go back and forth I would really like a scum flip so I can feel more confident I actually want to talk about Mona so I'm glad you said this since b- feeling good about him gave me some pause. This post specifically is what pinged me. I've cut some bits from before this point out since he touched multiple things, though the body that I've left in is completely unchanged, and bolded a couple things for emphasis Monathin posted:
The first part is the same thing that pinged me about an earlier TNL post (who we don't particularly have enough content from for me to work off of outside it). By itself I can see it as a mistake, but then literally the next line he starts contradicting it. I also hate bringing up the Insane Cop possibility so early. Trying to put doubt into an investigator's mind while we're scumhunting only serves to spread confusion and muddy information, especially with a claimed bus driver on D2. As an aside, I think it's interesting that I'm higher on "lurker lunch" lists than TNL and Dancer when I have more than twice their postcount. At least I'm still actively engaging with the game.
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I'm not sure what to think. - We don't know if there is a sk. - If there is a sk, we don't know if they've killed scum. Here's what we know - Anpu wants beet dead because he says beet is scum. - Beet wants Anpu dead Both scum and sk obviously want to eliminate all lethal threats. So why are Beet and Anpu are still alive? Is it possible that neither are scum/sk? If scum Anpu thought Beet was sk, he would obviously call Beet scum (which he started doing on d2) and try to get him lynched. But we didn't lynch Beet on d2. So if Anpu is scum, why wouldn't he kill Beet n2? I think the same question can be applied if Anpu was sk AND thought Beet was a member of the scum team. On the flip side, if Beet actually was sk (or scum), why didn't he kill Anpu n2? MAybe he had info that Anpu was town? not really sure what to think right now, or if any of this makes sense. help me understand
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I think Max's claim of townie bus driver may have helped protect anpu, either through him actually being one and redirecting a kill or scum just avoiding Anpu entirely out of fear of hitting one of their own.
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My top overall scum pick is still Moat. Of the lurkers, my top pick is TNL. I'm also at the point where given my feelings about Moat, if he's pushing Dancer than I'm less inclined to follow that advice. But all the lurkers seem scummy to me and you won't have an argument from me to lynch any of them today although I feel like its the easy way out.
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IcePhoenix posted:I actually want to talk about Mona so I'm glad you said this since b- feeling good about him gave me some pause. I would not be making the Insane Cop argument if it were not for the fact that this is an Eccogame and Ecco specifically warned us to pay attention to flavor and sane cop was the N0 flip. Those all read to me like deliberate signposting of a cop in this setup needing to question their sanity. Were this any game but an eccogame I'd write it off but other people who have played in Eccogames can back up my assumption there as reasonable.
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Also, mechanics speculation: not that it affects anything with regards to scumpicks, but I'm inclined to think the janitor kills are the scum kills simply because of the balance implications: A self-janitoring SK can *really* screw over the town if he/she is killing scum and the town doesn't know it.
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Slamburger posted:Also, mechanics speculation: not that it affects anything with regards to scumpicks, but I'm inclined to think the janitor kills are the scum kills simply because of the balance implications: A self-janitoring SK can *really* screw over the town if he/she is killing scum and the town doesn't know it. Why would this be the case? We know that the "frozen in place" flavor is the cop NK.
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Monathin posted:Why would this be the case? We know that the "frozen in place" flavor is the cop NK. How do we know this? I know the flavor introduction mentions someone getting frozen but why couldn't that be the SK? What about that means it has to be the cops?
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Slamburger posted:How do we know this? I know the flavor introduction mentions someone getting frozen but why couldn't that be the SK? What about that means it has to be the cops? Echoing this when was it ever said definitively which was which
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Also I don't think the cop sanity thing is unreasonable having played many ecco games myself
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EccoRaven posted:Oh no! The mafia gambling ring has been secretly infiltrated by the coppers! Time to roll up your sleeves and turn these pigs into bacon. Not definitive but pretty close IMO I see your point about the insane cop but I still do not like it!
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Tao Jones, Julia Parmenos, Boss (mafia-aligned sane cop), has been magickally frozen in time night 0.
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Moatillata posted:Okay, of all the lurkers I feel like dancer may be the most likely to be scum look i don't like dancer lurking, seemingly being around at deadline and not voting. IF i continue my line of thought on IP being scum (from my post last (irl) night) does that implicate dancer as to why they didn't vote? they didn't want to bus their scum bro? okay thinking out loud now. if IP was town, were scum all in on the lynch already? if not, why did they not jump across and hammer? as the numbers dwindled we're getting closer to the danger zone in terms of numbers and yesterday as a no lynch is actually a worse outcome for scum than town. losing one town might only shorten the game by a day, but if we are guessing the number of scum are around 3 (maybe sk too, idk), losing one scum drags it out for more than 1 day, does it not? so i'm thinking most if not all of the scum were not in on the attempted ip lynch with ip being scum. thoughts?
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IcePhoenix posted:As an aside, I think it's interesting that I'm higher on "lurker lunch" lists than TNL and Dancer when I have more than twice their postcount. At least I'm still actively engaging with the game. because the posts you do have dont do anything. in my opinion, i find it more damning that you have more posts than them, and yet, your post history has equal or lesser value than their post history. as i feel like i have to keep repeating, you have voted for mmt/beet for 3 days, and yet, the only post where you explain your position on mmt/beet is on d1 with a meta read on mmt. like, i really do feel like i need to quote every one of your posts to really highlight how little youve done, despite having more posts than dancer and TNL like, TNL's post history is bad, and there's really nothing there of value, but i cant do anything with TNL's post history because he looks like he can just be a lurky town just as much as a lurky scum because i got nothing to go off of. but with you, i see someone who is interested in at least posting, but is unwilling or unable to post why they suspect the person theyve been on for 3 days, spends a lot of their posts defending themselves or trying to figure out their suspicious, or are just posts that frankly dont pertain to scumhunting at all. this is my case, like ive stated. i would like my case to be engaged on as it pertains to you, because it doesnt have anything to do with TNL or dancer or your number of posts. it has everything to do with the content of your posts.
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Moatillata posted:Also just to throw this out, flerps recent posting read as genuine and I am gonna firmly put him in the lean town category cool, do you prefer me more because of anything more than meta though? or is it still just that?
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can somebody please tell me that my case on IP isnt pure nonsense? like, does IP actually have a really good post history and im just blinded by some willful ignornance? because rn i feel like im screaming into a void
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Anpu posted:I actually agree with this. I think the vote if it’s not Beetphyxious it should be me. this reeks of desperation and trying to push an ultimatum. the only derailing of the thread is because you've been singularly unwilling to look at anyone else and that's been to the detriment of town. it is completely indefensible as i've pointed out there are more than one scum in the game. if you can't succeed in pushing a lynch on me why are you ignoring them the other scum? how does that benefit town apnu?
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flerp posted:there's no need to set up a "its me or him" situation, because there are other people in this game who can be scum. i still havent been convinced of beet's scumminess, and i feel like anpu's nonsense is actually a townie thing. i dont want to lynch either of them today, as frustrated as this game has been. likewise, beet and anpu both actually post and id rather not have this game become filled with lurkers. i also think ip is scum, for reasons outlined earlier and my navel gazing about the lack of hte lynch. so i would vote him if i cannot convince people to vote apnu. i'm not keen on dancer much, but my suspicion of him is light and i feel like i'm chaining too many people together at that point. tnl was originally higher on my list but i think it's 50/50 between them and dancer. anyway, chasing after tnl or dancer just feels like a lurker lynch and for day 3 if that's the best town have we're in trouble.
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flerp posted:can somebody please tell me that my case on IP isnt pure nonsense? like, does IP actually have a really good post history and im just blinded by some willful ignornance? because rn i feel like im screaming into a void No his post history is barren, and he's a good lynch for today. The *only* mitigating factor in my mind is his care-free attitude about providing no details on his beet vote, and not claiming etc actually feels like an apathetic town play at this point. I would think scum would at least feel some shame in providing so little especially since they almost got lynched, and try and overcompensate with some made up crap. IP just doesn't seem to care at all.
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Beetphyxious posted:look i don't like dancer lurking, seemingly being around at deadline and not voting. IF i continue my line of thought on IP being scum (from my post last (irl) night) does that implicate dancer as to why they didn't vote? they didn't want to bus their scum bro? Hmmm, these are all great points. Let's look at the final day 2 votes that resulted in a no-lynch IcePhoenix (6): Max, Atomic Soda, Monathin, Beetphyxious, flerp, b-minus1 Beetphyxious (3): Anpu, Moatillata, IcePhoenix Moatillata (1): Slamburger Anpu (1): Dancer b-minus1 (0): The Ninth Layer (0): Dancer (0): Monathin (0): Not Voting (1): The Ninth Layer Anpu voted Beet for obvious reasons. Icephoenix wasn't gonna vote himself obviously. I think beet may be on to something. If ICephoenix is scum, then there's likely a scum among anpu, moat, slam, dancer, and tnl. Anpu has soft claimed a role with verifiable results, and I'm operating on good faith that slam is town. That leaves moat, dancer and tnl.
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My not claiming is the exact opposite of apathy, it was entirely deliberate.
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anyways ##vote icephoenix as i believe he is the most likely to be scum also, deadline is in under 3 hours
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 The Current Day 3 Votecount   Beetphyxious (2): Anpu, IcePhoenix Anpu (1): Monathin, -Monathin, Beetphyxious Moatillata (0): IcePhoenix, -IcePhoenix Not Voting (7): b-minus1, Dancer, flerp, Moatillata, Monathin, Slamburger, The Ninth Layer With 10 players alive, it takes 6 votes to be executed.  The current deadline is July 19th, 2018 at 11 p.m. EDT -- that's in about 3 hours, 33 minutes from this post.:] I really don't get IP or TNL over dancer I mean the dude was literally lurking and caught during no lynch and has since completely disappeared. That seems p damming to me
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##vote Dancer I will be around until deadline.
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b-minus1 posted:Hmmm, these are all great points. Let's look at the final day 2 votes that resulted in a no-lynch If you assume (correctly) that I'm townie in this experiment, how many of the votes on me do you think were not townie (scum or sk)?
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b-minus1 posted:I'm not sure what to think. okay in this hypothetical either apnu or i (if one were scum) wouldn't want to be so obvious as to target the other? especially when we're quite vocal posters, it's probably too risky.
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IcePhoenix posted:If you assume (correctly) that I'm townie in this experiment, how many of the votes on me do you think were not townie (scum or sk)? heh, what's that thing about apnu says about trying to create chaos, not clarity? ##vote icephoenix
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