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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Does the music get any better? That's really the only cringey part to me. Christopher Franke was definitely hitting those synths a lot harder in Season 1. There are a few cold open stingers in there that would scare my cat. This improves almost immediately in Season 2 and keeps improving. It feels like roughly the same progression early TNG's scores made across their first few seasons.
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Delsaber posted:Christopher Franke was definitely hitting those synths a lot harder in Season 1. There are a few cold open stingers in there that would scare my cat. This improves almost immediately in Season 2 and keeps improving. Christophe Franke was in Tangerine Dream, and if you want to hear what real heavy synth use is like check out the soundtracks for Sorcerer, Firestarter and The Keep. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmU6hmHB9u4 The Keep actually has two OSTs. TD originally wrote 16 tracks for the movie, and while only three appear in the film those tracks are the ones on the official OST. The actual music used in the film is I think only available as a bootleg.
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From the poking around I've done with Star Trek, it seems like there was a real decline in music from the original series to Next Generation to DS9. I don't know if that's cheaper cost of musical talent in the 60s, shifted priority to effects, or what, but the original series is musically vibrant and complex with themes and musical effects and weird sounds to evoke the weird future, while TNG was somewhat more simplistic but compensated with full orchestral arrangements. And then by the time of DS9, it still was trying to use the sort of orchestral arrangements that TNG had going on, but the music felt blander and less ambitious. I think B5's music does a drat sight better than DS9, but I'd have to go back and watch more to make sure.
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Aug 20, 2018 21:58
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Yeah I always felt that DS9's music never really matched the tone of the show. As uh, dated as B5's soundtrack may be, it was really effective in how it was used. I can clearly remember specific pieces associated with important moments in the show (especially from the ep, The Long Twilight Struggle), and the theme music in each season except maybe the fifth season all felt very iconic. Meanwhile I literally can't remember a single piece of music from DS9.
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Aug 20, 2018 22:10
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That sillyass riff when shadows appear always slays me, but I agree with other people's thoughts - at least B5s music strived to be distinct.
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Aug 20, 2018 22:13
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I don’t remember much DS9 music but the main theme owns. Also Christopher Franke owns, Tangerine Dream owns, and B5 music owns.
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Aug 20, 2018 22:39
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SlothfulCobra posted:From the poking around I've done with Star Trek, it seems like there was a real decline in music from the original series to Next Generation to DS9. I don't know if that's cheaper cost of musical talent in the 60s, shifted priority to effects, or what, but the original series is musically vibrant and complex with themes and musical effects and weird sounds to evoke the weird future, while TNG was somewhat more simplistic but compensated with full orchestral arrangements. TNG's music was consciously kept in check, especially in later seasons, by Rick Berman specifically telling them to make it more like "sonic wallpaper" than any kind of music that would draw attention to itself or be interesting in its own right. gently caress you Rick Berman
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SlothfulCobra posted:From the poking around I've done with Star Trek, it seems like there was a real decline in music from the original series to Next Generation to DS9. I don't know if that's cheaper cost of musical talent in the 60s, shifted priority to effects, or what, but the original series is musically vibrant and complex with themes and musical effects and weird sounds to evoke the weird future, while TNG was somewhat more simplistic but compensated with full orchestral arrangements. I sincerely love the music in Star Trek TOS, but it's not a universal appeal and there's a broad swath of people who find it silly and unacceptably over-the-top*. Like other elements of TOS, there was definitely a push to get TNG away from that style and to have it be its own thing, which meant less bombastic and more subdued music. Unfortunately there were producers like Rick Berman who wanted to go too far in that direction, to the point where he specifically pushed back against leitmotifs and insisted that music should not be too exciting as he felt it would take attention away from what was happening on the screen. *to which I say, look, if you can't go over the top in space, where in the gently caress can you indulge? edit: gently caress, beaten
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Aug 20, 2018 23:02
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God why is Rick Berman such a god damned stupid rear end in a top hat
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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:I sincerely love the music in Star Trek TOS, but it's not a universal appeal and there's a broad swath of people who find it silly and unacceptably over-the-top*. Like other elements of TOS, there was definitely a push to get TNG away from that style and to have it be its own thing, which meant less bombastic and more subdued music. TOS was done by Alexander Courage who also did Planet of the Apes and it’s loving glorious and I will cut anyone who disagrees.  C.f. The Doomsday Machine theme and music.
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Data Graham posted:TNG's music was consciously kept in check, especially in later seasons, by Rick Berman specifically telling them to make it more like "sonic wallpaper" than any kind of music that would draw attention to itself or be interesting in its own right. Come to think of it, I honestly couldn't tell you if Voyager actually had any music aside from its main theme.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Come to think of it, I honestly couldn't tell you if Voyager actually had any music aside from its main theme. And the main theme/opening credits was by far the best part of Voyager.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Come to think of it, I honestly couldn't tell you if Voyager actually had any music aside from its main theme. If you played the DS9 theme to me when I was sleeping I'd probably pee because that's the pee break music. "Oh, time to get up and pee if I'm gonna do that."
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Apparently I still associate the Voyager opening with the 3rd Rock from the Sun opening, because I watched it to hear the music and I immediately thought of that. Visually similar and they were on the air at the same time.
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Pick posted:God why is Rick Berman such a god damned stupid rear end in a top hat Drugs. Grand Fromage posted:And the main theme/opening credits was by far the best part of Voyager. Voyager didn't deserve that opening theme.
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Aug 21, 2018 05:31
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The Next Generation, and Deep Space 9 were the only good Star Treks.
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Woah idiot, you forgot TAS
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The No Surrender, No Retreat suite is fantastic (Warning: SPOILERS up to and including season 4). And if you're really weirded out by B5's music, just wait until you hear the music used for "A Call to Arms" and Crusade. Lemniscate Blue posted:Voyager didn't deserve that opening theme. Absolutely. It's like they put all their creative effort (by hiring Jerry Goldsmith  ) into making those amazing opening credits and said, "Well, good work, gang. Let's take the next 7 years off."
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mojo1701a posted:
More than 7, considering Enterprise's opening theme. Or Enterprise in general.
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I wish all sci-fi TV would do the B5 thing and roll an entirely new opening credits sequence every season.
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My wife is sad that Claudia Christian isn't in season 5. I guess she gave WB the cold shoulder for the season and just outright ignored them when they needed to know if she wanted to be back?
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Aug 22, 2018 02:21
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Do any shows even do an opening theme anymore? Pretty much everything has just like a sting over a logo anymore I think. I guess The Orville does a theme, maybe that will be updated.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Do any shows even do an opening theme anymore? Pretty much everything has just like a sting over a logo anymore I think. HBO does amazing openings. My favorite is Westworld. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elkHuRROPfk
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GLOW has one of the best current opening themes but I guess it's not conducive to binge watching so Netflix only shows it on the first episode of each season.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HqErTHlDMg
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I said come in! posted:My wife is sad that Claudia Christian isn't in season 5. I guess she gave WB the cold shoulder for the season and just outright ignored them when they needed to know if she wanted to be back? There's a longer "three-edged sword" version of the story, but the gist is that she wanted a few episodes off to do a movie but wanted to get paid for them. This would have meant being forced to give raises to the rest of the cast, and the show got S5 via going cheap. Christian's agent decided to play hardball, figuring she was indispensible. By the time it became clear how very wrong that was, both Christian and JMS were pissed at each other and the possibility of working things out became nil. I should probably add that the agent decided to play hardball at the last possible minute, leaving no time to negotiate even if that had been possible.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Do any shows even do an opening theme anymore? Pretty much everything has just like a sting over a logo anymore I think. Voltron Legendary Defender's theme is stuck in my head. If you mean network TV, I have no idea. Person of Interest had a theme song, with narration describing the premise of the show.
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V-Men posted:Voltron Legendary Defender's theme is stuck in my head. If you mean network TV, I have no idea. Person of Interest had a theme song, with narration describing the premise of the show. The only problem with the Voltron: Legendary Defenders opening credits is they're now incorrect and outdated for every single character dynamic.
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Do any shows even do an opening theme anymore? Pretty much everything has just like a sting over a logo anymore I think. Most shows still have a theme. They just have a full credits version and a sting version. Elementary is a good example: there's the main credits with the Heath Robinson mousetrap and the principal cast list, and the sting with a couple of bars of the theme and the shot of the New York skyline where the principal cast are named rapidly before the guest stars.
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V-Men posted:Voltron Legendary Defender's theme is stuck in my head. If you mean network TV, I have no idea. Person of Interest had a theme song, with narration describing the premise of the show. Yeah, Person of Interest came to mind after I posted that. I haven't watched a lot of current shows lately so my sample size is probably skewed. I was thinking more in the vein of Lost, Agents of SHIELD, Once Upon a Time. Now that I post that it seems like it's more just a thing on ABC.
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Halfway thru season 2 (Londo noooo  ) and I gotta say the music is growing on me 
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turn left hillary!! noo posted:Do any shows even do an opening theme anymore? Pretty much everything has just like a sting over a logo anymore I think. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=krqqqgixNq8 It gets various updates through the series, always the same music though.
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Kurr de la Cruz posted:Halfway thru season 2 (Londo noooo I really really didn’t like the season 1 music at the time of airing. By the end of season 2 I was loving sold. By the end of season 3 it’s doing heavier lifting than pretty much the rest of the show. Don’t read this poo poo The climax of the season 3 finale is pretty much the best build to “this whole thing has gone to poo poo” ever
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J33uk posted:I really really didn’t like the season 1 music at the time of airing. By the end of season 2 I was loving sold. By the end of season 3 it’s doing heavier lifting than pretty much the rest of the show. Don’t read this poo poo The climax of the season 3 finale is pretty much the best build to “this whole thing has gone to poo poo” ever Yeah, I was gonna post, that -- watching Babylon 5 for the first time, as a kid -- the Season 3 finale was the first time I sat up and paid attention to what incidental music could do during television. I think the season 3 finale stands out in how cinematic and self-consciously epic television could be as well, compared to what its peers were creating. Is there anything comparable in scope to the kinds of set pieces this show was producing, at least back then? Edit: Maybe Xena, I think that's the only other series that gets anywhere near as close.
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Open Source Idiom posted:Edit: Maybe Xena, I think that's the only other series that gets anywhere near as close. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUma9jogBDU
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That sequence always puts me in mind of Holst.
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Bieeanshee posted:That sequence always puts me in mind of Holst. That's because it rips off "Mars, Bringer of War" quite shamelessly.
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That was when Ron Jones was scoring TNG, before being fired because he refused to follow Rick Berman's edict that music should be bland and unnoticeable. gently caress you, Rick Berman.
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Oh hey morden got a haircut Zooty zoot zoot!
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I'm doing a full rewatch since it's on Amazon Prime, and I have not seen it since I was a kid. Up to Season 3, and this show was so ahead of it times in terms of pacing, and seeding plot threads early on, with a slow burn towards a satisfying payoff. Loving it even more than I did back then, with a new appreciation for Sinclair (was not a fan of him when I was younger). That being said, it seems like 80% of the time Security opens fire with a PPG, they then check the target's pulse, and confirm they are dead. Is the PPG just that consistently lethal? Do they not have lower settings, or something less lethal?
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Just finished my binge rewatch (in my wife's case, first time watch) last night with "Objects in Motion," "Objects at Rest," and "Sleeping in Light" last night. Needless to say, there was way too much dust in the ol' living room.
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