big crush on Chad OMG posted:

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

The General Altimax Arctic is usually a good budget buy and decent all rounder
The Michelin X-Ice is also a good relatively inexpensive option

spandexcajun posted:

All seasons with AWD / FWD / 4WD are fine in the Denver metro area, even fine for driving up to the ski resorts in the winter. You don't really need snow tires unless you live in the mountains here or maybe have a powerful RWD car.

wolrah posted:

Reminder that the majority of benefits of winter tires don't care what wheels are driven.

All cars use all four wheels for stopping and maintaining directional control. Driven wheels are only relevant to acceleration, which is rarely the actual issue when it comes to winter driving.

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Model 3

Calendar, Web Browser, and Energy applications are now all available in the Model 3, like they already were in Model S and Model X.

Calendar: The Calendar app allows you to view your phone’s calendar for the current and next day. The Calendar is conveniently integrated with Phone and Navigation so you can dial into a meeting or route to your next meeting with a single tap. For events to appear, you must connect your phone to your car via Bluetooth and allow calendar access by enabling Calendar Sync in the Tesla mobile app settings.

Web Browser: The Web browser app allows you to access the internet. Navigate to your desired website by entering the URL in the address bar. Easily return to your favorite sites by adding them to your Favorite using the heart icons.

Energy App: View energy consumption in real time for your Model 3. When there is an active navigation route, touch the Trip tab to view the projected energy consumption for the trip.

bawfuls posted:

When people talk about "snow" tires or "winter" tires in this thread, it might be helpful to be more specific. Are you talking about all tires with a "M+S" on the sidewall, or actual studded snow tires?

The former is what governs many chain control checkpoints on US highways in the winter, but if you're living in snow for long stretches of the year the latter are a worthwhile seasonal swap (whose effectiveness is actively ruined by lots of dry road driving).

drgitlin posted:

Winter tires need not have studs to work properly, the reason they have grip in the snow is due to the tread pattern and rubber compound: https://arstechnica.com/features/2018/03/car-safety-tech-has-never-been-better-but-winter-driving-remains-all-about-tires/

wolrah posted:

Reminder that the majority of benefits of winter tires don't care what wheels are driven.

All cars use all four wheels for stopping and maintaining directional control. Driven wheels are only relevant to acceleration, which is rarely the actual issue when it comes to winter driving.

wolrah posted:

Reminder that the majority of benefits of winter tires don't care what wheels are driven.

All cars use all four wheels for stopping and maintaining directional control. Driven wheels are only relevant to acceleration, which is rarely the actual issue when it comes to winter driving.

bawfuls posted:

Right, and there is overlap between these and M+S tires. My point is there's a broad range of tires that one could call "winter" or "snow" tires so people should be precise in their language when making comparisons.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

This is incorrect. People should be precise in understanding what are fairly clearly established standards from the tire industry. M+S tires are all-season tires. They have some mud and packed snow capability and that's it. For a tire to be a winter tire it has to have the mountain and snowflake symbol on it. There are a few four-season tires with the mountain and snowflake but not many and those tend to be truck tires.

spandexcajun posted:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJesZgW0Rlk

I think with proper snow tires, the electronic traction control and low center of gravity + weight distribution the RWD Model 3 will be a fine winter vehicle. I'm sure the AWD version is amazing.

pun pundit posted:

Anecdotally, drivers in 4wd vehicles were much more likely to be stuck out in the deep snow off motorway runoffs near Oslo, probably because they thought their four driven wheels made them invincible to skidding in turns.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

This is incorrect. People should be precise in understanding what are fairly clearly established standards from the tire industry. M+S tires are all-season tires. They have some mud and packed snow capability and that's it. For a tire to be a winter tire it has to have the mountain and snowflake symbol on it. There are a few four-season tires with the mountain and snowflake but not many and those tend to be truck tires.

Duck and Cover posted:

With the cover the Tesla wheels are so very ugly. Without the cover they only look alright. I have spoken so it shall be.

bawfuls posted:

Here is an image from the Arstechnica article linked upthread about winter tires, showing a tire with both M+S designation and the snowflake-within-peaks. I don't know about other states, but in CA when the CHP does chain control, there are typically three levels of control and one of the requirements is "snow tires" where they consider M+S adequate for this. Hence plenty of room for confusion.

Finger Prince posted:

Spoken like someone who's never been caught out by a sudden snow storm with their summer tires on in a light weight RWD convertible

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or driven their friend's 4WD Xterra through the mountains and into Calgary during a huge snowstorm, equipped with snow tires, but boneheadedly forgot to put it into 4WD.
Acceleration becomes VERY relevant.

CAT INTERCEPTOR posted:

Wrong. That last line so wrong. Driven wheels are completely relavent at all times in all conditions (even mroe so in snow and ice) and especially for directional control.

Edit - Your driven wheels affect braking (Partly due to weight distribution of the driveline AND AWD having a mild ABS effect) and they definitely affect the way the car handles either on or off power. Driven wheels most certainly also affect available grip levels wether accelerating, braking, turning or sliding. And of course it defines the car's base weight distribution which has a major impact everywhere on the above.

wolrah posted:

Technically correct, but I'm not talking about this from a perspective of skilled drivers trying to get the best performance out of their vehicles (or just screwing around for fun), I mean from the perspective of the average person who just wants to get from A to B while remaining in control. If those people get to a point where the driven wheels matter aside from the previously mentioned steep hills they're basically in the hands of their car's computers one way or another.

Performance winter driving is a completely different matter of course.

spandexcajun posted:

Someone mentioned XPEL PPF before. I got my model 3 wrapped with clear llumar (same as XPEL pretty much) with what the detailer called "level 3 protection" wrapped the whole front end, front bumper, full hood, front quarter panels. Also rocker panels, rear quarters panels and part of the rear under the trunk.

IDK, I was just going to do the front bumper and got talked into it. No regrets but it was more $$$ then I expected to pay. I also got a paint prep and ceramic coating, windows tint and chrome blackout.

The ceramic coating was for sure worth it, after a wash the car looks stunning, like the best wax job ever every time it's washed. It is also easy to wash since dirt / road grim does not stick to the ceramic coating as well.

I'm hoping in 3 - 5 years my paint will basically look new still, I have never had a vehicle nice enough to care before.

Here is my co-workers Model 3 performance (the one I got a ride in) fully wrapped in Matte Army Green:

https://www.instagram.com/p/BoFGdYvB_3X/?taken-by=coloradodetail

It looks amazing in person. Not the colour I would have picked but it turned out great, a unique Model 3 to be sure.

ilkhan posted:

Aren't studs more useful for ice than snow?

ExecuDork posted:

* Has anybody taken a AWD EV offroad? The Model X looks like a big dumb SUV, has anyone tried it out?

ExecuDork posted:

* Has anybody taken a AWD EV offroad? The Model X looks like a big dumb SUV, has anyone tried it out?

ratbert90 posted:

If there was a Dark Green model 3 with a Tan interior, I would have immediately and unequivocally bought that. As that's the best combination of colors in a car ever.

Powershift posted:

This is dumb. If the wrap doesn't have UV protection, it will yellow, if it does, the paint underneath will age at a different rate than unprotected paint on the doors and such, if you're being that anal about it anyways and are already throwing down the bills, why not do a full wrap and keep the lovely paint job nice and pristine for the next owner or whatever.


The sun is a giant glowing rear end in a top hat in the sky that wants to gently caress up everything we do, so you should cover everything or cover nothing.