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Skyarb posted:Fanning chain pistols is hilarious. I don't think its broken because of how innacurate it is. At the range it becomes useful a shotgun probably would have done a better job. Though this is all based on videos I have watched.
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The good guns suck to fight against, but since I started running a Romero Talon with a regular ol' Caldwell revolver, I have killed a lot of poor idiots and not died yet. The Romero Talon is an insanely satisfying gun.
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Sep 27, 2018 10:06
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stupid question but on youtube vids I see people talking about upgrading health bars. How do you even do that?
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Sep 27, 2018 11:00
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texting my ex posted:stupid question but on youtube vids I see people talking about upgrading health bars. How do you even do that? I'll have to back up a bit first. When you get "killed" you're down but not out as long as your partner is still alive. If they're alive they can revive you. However every time you get downed you you permanently lose a health chunk. That health chunk can be regenerated in two ways. The better way is to just start the banishing on a boss. The other way is once you escape and get back to the main menu you can spend trait points to regenerate the health chunk. This obviously is wasting trait points that could be spent on traits.
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Sep 27, 2018 11:59
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What’s everyone’s take on scaling both gun costs and/or player bounty rewards by hunter tier gap? If you kill a tier 1 as a tier 3 you get $25 bucks, if you down a tier 3 while playing a tier 1 you get $80 bucks. Gun costs for higher tier hunters could be multiplied as well. Could be one way to recycle people through high and low tier hunters/guns on a regular basis.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:03
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Sard posted:The good guns suck to fight against, but since I started running a Romero Talon with a regular ol' Caldwell revolver, I have killed a lot of poor idiots and not died yet. The Romero Talon is an insanely satisfying gun. At least 50% of my deaths are due to melee, and melee weapons are very powerful at every stage of the game. Guns like the Talon that give you a melee weapon and a gun in the same slot are almost always worth it, especially when you're in those early tiers. If there was a side by side with a bayonet or a bladed stock it would be the most insane close quarters weapon in the game.
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Sep 27, 2018 16:04
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Captain Beans posted:What’s everyone’s take on scaling both gun costs and/or player bounty rewards by hunter tier gap? If you kill a tier 1 as a tier 3 you get $25 bucks, if you down a tier 3 while playing a tier 1 you get $80 bucks. Gun costs for higher tier hunters could be multiplied as well. Could be one way to recycle people through high and low tier hunters/guns on a regular basis. To me the tier of the hunter is completely irrelevant. Not to sound like a broken record but the skill gap between someone whos under 100 and someone whos prestiged a couple of times is gigantic. I would suggest you get more money for each prestige level of the hunter you killed but theres also no incentive for anyone to actually prestige (but most people do because their lizard brain likes to see numbers go up, myself included).
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Sep 27, 2018 17:13
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:At least 50% of my deaths are due to melee, and melee weapons are very powerful at every stage of the game. Guns like the Talon that give you a melee weapon and a gun in the same slot are almost always worth it, especially when you're in those early tiers. If there was a side by side with a bayonet or a bladed stock it would be the most insane close quarters weapon in the game. there are shotguns with melee, they're either very good (see: Romero talon) or kinda total poo poo (see: spectre bayonet) overall I'd say they're actually pretty well balanced.
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Sep 27, 2018 17:23
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As a new player to the game, and terrible at everything, I can confirm the romero talon is the best gun to ever exist.
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Sep 27, 2018 18:19
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Rysithusiku posted:there are shotguns with melee, they're either very good (see: Romero talon) or kinda total poo poo (see: spectre bayonet) Oh, I know. But the Talon only has one shot, the Hatchet has a short barrel, and the Spectre bayonet has the bad barrel + is a Spectre. The side-by-side can tap out a double shot as fast as a Crown King and has good range. That + melee would loving suck to deal with, since the one weakness in close combat is that reload.
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I take it back some of the weapons are kinda unbalanced. The crown king is so much better than the spectre its not even funny. The Spectre is a mediocre shotgun that shoots nearly as slow as a romero. the crown and king really ought to cost like twice as much as it does.Skyarb posted:As a new player to the game, and terrible at everything, I can confirm the romero talon is the best gun to ever exist. My dude have you tried the winfield talon
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Sep 27, 2018 18:59
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I have not because I don't think I have it unlocked yet. Seems good too, though I must prefer shotguns to rifles in this game. The romero is a solid blast canon. edit: My queue times are incredibly long and sometimes I am placed in a map alone. Maybe I should have held off purchasing... Skyarb fucked around with this message at 01:02 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Sep 27, 2018 20:37
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Skyarb posted:I have not because I don't think I have it unlocked yet. Seems good too, though I must prefer shotguns to rifles in this game. The romero is a solid blast canon. You might just need to break out of the first set of bloodline ranks? At Bloodline level 100, the only time I run into situations where I'm the only player in the game is around 12:30 AM Pacific. It's pretty quick to get into a game if I'm playing in the early evening and on. Edit- Hah, and of course my first game tonight at 7:00 PM results in me being the only player. So I don't even know now... Varkas fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Sep 28, 2018 01:32
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yeah, at <33 it only matches you with gen pop if your matchmaking timer goes all the way down. in gen pop matchmaking is pretty consistent.
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Sep 28, 2018 01:44
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I get placed into empty matches relatively often like I dont know... 10-15% of the time? I'm making that number up but its not an insignificant number.
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So I have been playing nonstop and got out of the beginners bracket. However I am still having trouble finding games but its fine I just reset the search if it is about to elapse. Then this happened:   That was four tier 3's and one tier 2. This was accomplished with a rival long barrel and a silenced nagant. I was solo on a duo map. Fun times. Skyarb fucked around with this message at 09:19 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Sep 28, 2018 09:14
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Skyarb posted:So I have been playing nonstop and got out of the beginners bracket. However I am still having trouble finding games but its fine I just reset the search if it is about to elapse. 
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Sep 28, 2018 14:28
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Skyarb posted:So I have been playing nonstop and got out of the beginners bracket. However I am still having trouble finding games but its fine I just reset the search if it is about to elapse.  Here's another reminder to keep some distance between yourself and your partner, even when running full throttle to extraction...
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Sep 28, 2018 15:44
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Skyarb posted:Fanning chain pistols is hilarious. I don't think its broken because of how innacurate it is. At the range it becomes useful a shotgun probably would have done a better job. Though this is all based on videos I have watched. You can be pretty accurate with the chain pistol. Just don't hold down the fire button. Unless I'm touching somebody I try to fire 'fast semi-auto' with it, and it helps a lot to get more shots on target. Oh and if I'm leaping down on top of someone I just hold the button down because  .Sard posted:The good guns suck to fight against, but since I started running a Romero Talon with a regular ol' Caldwell revolver, I have killed a lot of poor idiots and not died yet. The Romero Talon is an insanely satisfying gun. Romero Talon is fantastic. I used to run it a lot before the shotgun buff but now it's actually viable to kill people in one shot outside of a 1m headshot. One thing that helps a lot with shotgun consistency is to always ADS. I get really inconsistent damage if I just hipfire any shotgun, but ADSing seems to kill a lot more often.
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I wish the Butcher's "there are people here" stomping was a little less similar to his normal stomping. Props to the two guys who sat on him with Crown Kings for ten minutes though, waiting for someone to come fight him on a mostly empty server. Got the drop on me, dead to rights, emptied two CKs from ten feet, failed to kill me, then had to close for melee. And one of them downed the other with his machete swing. Should have just spiked my dynamite into the floor.
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AbsoluteLlama posted:One thing that helps a lot with shotgun consistency is to always ADS. I get really inconsistent damage if I just hipfire any shotgun, but ADSing seems to kill a lot more often. Huh I always thought ADSing the shotgun would be pointless, will have to give it a go.
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AbsoluteLlama posted:
Is this actually a thing because I have yet to notice any difference.
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Basticle posted:Is this actually a thing because I have yet to notice any difference. I'm reasonably certain that shotgun ADS narrows the spread slightly and gives you fractionally more range. Could just be confirmation bias tho.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I'm reasonably certain that shotgun ADS narrows the spread slightly and gives you fractionally more range. Could just be confirmation bias tho. Confirmation bias is my guess but idk
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Sep 28, 2018 21:48
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Basticle posted:Confirmation bias is my guess but idk Yeah, pretty sure that's the case. Here's a recent video on this exact point.
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Varkas posted:Yeah, pretty sure that's the case. great video, but the very last thing he says is he is under the impression that moving or running or anything that increases your crosshair size will increase the pellet spread. if this is true thats pretty loving stupid but it would explain so much about my experiences with shotguns. Basticle fucked around with this message at 23:44 on Sep 28, 2018 |
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Sep 28, 2018 23:42
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Basticle posted:Confirmation bias is my guess but idk Yeah I didn't say it reduces the spread. I guess I'm just a much better aim when I use sights. The shot pattern is so inconsistent that it helps a lot to have good aim I guess.
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Sep 28, 2018 23:49
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AbsoluteLlama posted:Yeah I didn't say it reduces the spread. I guess I'm just a much better aim when I use sights. The shot pattern is so inconsistent that it helps a lot to have good aim I guess. well you did say it increases damage so
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Basticle posted:well you did say it increases damage so ???. I said I get inconsistent damage, which I guess is really directly related to my aim as opposed to ADSing, which helps me aim. In any case, I know a number of people that never ADSed before and had a lot more success with 1-shot kills after doing so. I don't have any data of ADS vs. no ADS to get real numbers or anything, but maybe people just have an easier time aiming with sights?
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Semantics aside I could see why ADSing may get better results even if its just because it makes you aim better. I hate games where adsing reduces spread, it makes no loving sense!
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Sep 29, 2018 01:17
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Skyarb posted:Semantics aside I could see why ADSing may get better results even if its just because it makes you aim better. I hate games where adsing reduces spread, it makes no loving sense! Shotguns can have chokes in the barrels to get tighter spreads. You're just choking the gun manually! 
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Capn Beeb posted:Shotguns can have chokes in the barrels to get tighter spreads. You're just choking the gun manually! Only if they animate your dude cupping his hand around the barrel.
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this is a long video with not a lot of payoff unless you like seeing someone get killed with a romero https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCcLKXKGwfg
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I don't get the dudes that continue to whine about how stealth doesn't work anymore when like half my deaths are stumbling into a shotgun ambush or taking a 40yard Sparks headshot. I can't even be mad when I'm doing random ADAD runs through a meadow and someone manages to connect, though I do wish for a post-death cam, just to help me learn to spot people at a distance.
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NerdyMcNerdNerd posted:I don't get the dudes that continue to whine about how stealth doesn't work anymore when like half my deaths are stumbling into a shotgun ambush or taking a 40yard Sparks headshot. This is just my perspective as a new player in the gen pop pool now. I don't ever die to stealth. I have a great pair of headphones and can almost always hear someone approaching. Anytime I've died its because I did something stupid. Sometimes I will hear "something" but I just didn't know exactly where the person was. I've never dropped dead by someone I never saw/heard coming, except for maybe people camping the boss. So in some ways I do think stealth can be pretty difficult in this game. However most of my kills are a result of me being extra stealthy. I also am now ending up in an empty game about one in every four games I matchmake now... I really wish they didn't add a solo only mode.
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I've come to the conclusion that playing this game while between level 34 and when you finally can buy tier 3 hunters (mid 50s?) is the loving worst. Under 33 and you're mostly playing against other tier 1s but after 34 you're forced to use hunters wearing bright clothes against lots of tier 3s and its the worst. The last couple of days I think my partner and I have like a 1 to 10 k/d ratio.
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The bright clothes isn't even as much of a big deal as the choice of weapons. The lever action is a good gun, don't get me wrong, but when you're dealing with Sparks and Mosins and you can't even buy the Vet, it kind of blows. Also they should remove the Hunters that start with two medium slots because there are an annoying amount of people who don't know they revert to large/small if you strip their weapons.
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the big deal is neither clothes nor weapon choices. yeah those both matter, but the BIG thing is post-33 you're getting dropped into the general population. No longer are you against the other rank 25 player, now you're against a rank 84 with 17 prestige ranks. There is no population splitting besides "under 34" and "not". That is why you suddenly get a difficulty curve like running face first into a brick wall. If you get killed by anyone 100 or with prestige ranks, dont feel bad at all about it. because when you finally get that bastard back it is SO sweet. And you will, eventually.
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It doesn't help that at the moment, there are a lot of needlessly toxic dudes who just run around with Avtovats and act like assholes in VOIP for no reason. Doesn't exactly help grow the game. It's more perception than reality, but when you're like 33 and you're suddenly fighting a wide array of new weapons and hard to spot models in the hands of veterans, it is a little intimidating. Also the Avto needs a rework because maybe a gun that's effective at every range and good in every situation and penetrates cover like whoa is a little imba.
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