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Dr. Snark posted:YEAAAAAHHHHH EAT CLUSTER BOMBS YOU PIECE OF poo poo Bote lobby demands it.
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Just slap a CIWS every thirty feet along its length, it'll be fine
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Oct 4, 2018 02:11
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The Kalibrs are from a boxed launching system, so its intention is to be launched from a freighter or anything else that can carry a cargo container. The FN-6 and the Bofors 20mm are both practically man-portable and could be bolted to almost anything bigger than a golf cart. All in all, with the exception of the surprise sea-attack Kalibrs, about as expected. (I wouldn't be surprised if it had a couple of ATGMs for anti-smallboat work, too.)
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Oct 4, 2018 03:09
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Good lord I hope we got some 4k footage of the fireworks for our highlight reel.
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Oct 4, 2018 03:10
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bibliosabreur posted:The Kalibrs are from a boxed launching system, so its intention is to be launched from a freighter or anything else that can carry a cargo container. The FN-6 and the Bofors 20mm are both practically man-portable and could be bolted to almost anything bigger than a golf cart. All in all, with the exception of the surprise sea-attack Kalibrs, about as expected. (I wouldn't be surprised if it had a couple of ATGMs for anti-smallboat work, too.) Probably this, with a conex SAM systems, strapping a couple of off brand TOW missiles and a handful of Bofors to the ship and suddenly it'll have enough teeth to ward off any light attach or slow sky movers. Lets pour one out for our buddies in the Albanian bote league, add them to the Rolodex of brave employees who've been lost at sea. We have the watch now 
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Oct 4, 2018 03:31
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*pours out a melted Snickers* and now their watch has ended
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 Best thread ever. I love how we accidentally sank a Chinese frigate with one wayward munition, but when we try to sink a civilian ship we have to pull out all the stops! slothrop fucked around with this message at 04:51 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 04:36
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Dr. Snark posted:YEAAAAAHHHHH EAT CLUSTER BOMBS YOU PIECE OF poo poo The biggest container ships in the world today are 400m long and almost 60m wide. If anything its a question of why didn't they fit more weapons onto it.
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Oct 4, 2018 04:56
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slothrop posted:
It's a loving monster of a ship compared to a puny frigate, and even much larger than even the biggest aircraft carriers so yea you'll a few proper big holes to sink the thing.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:00
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... Geeze. Upside I guess it's good we didn't try and capture or tug it. $##! Nougat. Also, double the alcohol rations. What condition are the Nighthawks in? If we're goig to be going latex glove deep in SAM networks, we're gonna want to get them ready.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:42
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Dance Officer posted:It's a loving monster of a ship compared to a puny frigate, and even much larger than even the biggest aircraft carriers so yea you'll a few proper big holes to sink the thing. Fun fact: During the "Tanker Wars" in the '80s, a popular method to rapidly establish a (relatively) safe corridor through a suspected minefield was to literally power through it with one of the gigantic supertankers. They could take an insane amount of mine hits and keep going. There is at least one photo out there (sadly can't find it ATM) showing one such tanker sitting really low in the waterline, full of detonation marks but still motoring on, exiting the Hormuz straits.
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Oct 4, 2018 05:56
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There was also the incident where the tanker Bridgeton hit a mine, kept going, and the US warships assigned to protect it hid in its wake because they were much more likely to sink to a mine hit than the tanker was.
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Oct 4, 2018 06:34
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Dimitris posted:Fun fact: During the "Tanker Wars" in the '80s, a popular method to rapidly establish a (relatively) safe corridor through a suspected minefield was to literally power through it with one of the gigantic supertankers. They could take an insane amount of mine hits and keep going. I had forgotten all about that. Someone did an awesome effortpost series on the Iran-Iraq War in (I think) the Mil-Hist thread.
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Dimitris posted:Fun fact: During the "Tanker Wars" in the '80s, a popular method to rapidly establish a (relatively) safe corridor through a suspected minefield was to literally power through it with one of the gigantic supertankers. They could take an insane amount of mine hits and keep going. I highly doubt that was an established strategy. There were only two mine hits in total involving US forces (one on a tanker, one on a frigate) and in the first case nobody suspected the existence of a minefield until they hit one. US minesweeping capability was essentially nonexistent so once they discovered the minefield that was just the only expedient way to minimize the threat to everyone in that specific scenario.
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Poll time! This has to do with the new format. Lemme know what you guys think. http://www.strawpoll.me/16580647
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wedgekree posted:... Geeze. Upside I guess it's good we didn't try and capture or tug it. Knowing the Russians, they probably figured we'd try to steal it and had it armed it as such. Edit: Can't speak for everyone else, but videos of things like what happened with Grand Soar would be great. Thirty minutes of planes taking off, not so much. thetruegentleman fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 17:51
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 The NYSE opened with sharply higher numbers for the Mars Candy Conglomerate.  The reduction in risk netted not only a significant uptick in share price but a reduction in derivative based futures on the shadow market. I'm not sure what that last part means but Herbert Kornfeld seems quite pleased about it. On the downside these things have just crossed the border in Bulgaria.  Support crews and fuel trucks lag just behind. Near as we can tell they are running buttoned up with minimal, if any at all, infantry support. To our North the EU.NATO flight crews are being hemmed in. Croatian corporate loss teams are securing the border while Hungarian teams are slower to mobilize. As of right now the flight crews are still on the loose but within a day or so they'll get rounded up.   So what'll it be? Option A : Hunt Tanks Option B : Pilot Rescue
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Oct 4, 2018 19:10
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Oh man I wish we could do both. But we're good at blowing up armored forces, and we don't want Bulgaria to fall.
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habeasdorkus posted:Oh man I wish we could do both. But we're good at blowing up armored forces, and we don't want Bulgaria to fall. We will do both. For now it's which one is first. Circumstances may change a bit depending which one happens last.
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Oct 4, 2018 19:42
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Is that some weird souped-up T-55?
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Yooper posted:So what'll it be? Option B : Pilot Rescue Hopefully this will mean more pilots and EU.NATO support when we do go tank bustin'. ***** e ***** Corrected my vote to B; not sure why I listed A initially when I gave reasoning for B. CourValant fucked around with this message at 23:59 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 20:30
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Gervasius posted:Is that some weird souped-up T-55? Looks like a T-55 barrel and turret, with some new optics and up armoring (especially with the reactive plates.) Possibly unmanned.
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Oct 4, 2018 20:30
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Yooper posted:We will do both. For now it's which one is first. Circumstances may change a bit depending which one happens last. If we wait on the tanks there's only a few places where they can get through the mountain passes towards Sofia and central Bulgaria. Taking out the roads at set points would significantly slow or maybe even trap their armored columns with only what air cover and mobile SAM equipment ROMARM can muster... and also make it so that we don't need to worry about guided munitions getting jammed since even iron bombs can be pretty effective when you're aiming at a multi-mile long column on a major highway. Also, since there's no accompanying infantry they won't be able to hold what they take, so we might want to bait them into racing for the capital anyways. Arsenal AD and the Bulgarian government probably wouldn't love that, though, since it'd mean the northern third of the country getting rolled over by an aggressive power. That would also mean the security forces won't be as hot on the tail of the EU.NATO pilots, allowing us to do a more thorough SEAD mission before trying to get those flyboys evaced. Let's go B heros! habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 21:30 on Oct 4, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 21:01
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A As much as I’d rather make more friends, we are wildly better at exploding things than rescuing them.
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Oct 4, 2018 21:05
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Hunt tanks.
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Oct 4, 2018 21:59
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Those look like some kind of Kontakt-1-equipped TR-85s. Think T-55 with twice the base level of steel armor (which...still isn't a whole lot by modern standards). Definitely something that needs a good working-over with Mavericks and Brimstones. The big worry is a) possible jamming over the AO, b) any fighter cover, and c) any SAM/AAA cover. The more we have to deal with the latter two threats, the less we can throw at the armored column itself.
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Oct 4, 2018 22:00
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Considering our last wacky op just got a bunch of Albanians killed and made the air smell like nougat, let's stick to our core competency of blowing poo poo up.
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Oct 4, 2018 22:24
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Seems like reasonably simple calculus to me. The longer we wait on the pilots the less room they have to manoeuvre and the less time we have to do everything properly. The longer we wait on the tanks the further away from their static jammers and defences they get. B first The tank is some sort of T-55 with reactive armour bolted to it. It won't stop any of our guided weapons but it's unlikely to be phased by iron bombs.
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Oct 4, 2018 22:26
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I'll go with hunting the armour first. Load up one Tornado with brimstones, attach one or two planes with recon pods, and a wing of fighter escort. Let's stagger this op into a few stages and use the first stage to get an idea of what kind of numbers we're talking, and what kind of air defense they have.
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Oct 4, 2018 22:28
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Nice tanks. It'd be a shame if something would happen to them. But I've changed my mind, B) SAR first PenguinSalsa fucked around with this message at 09:15 on Oct 5, 2018 |
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Oct 4, 2018 22:39
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FrangibleCover posted:Seems like reasonably simple calculus to me. The longer we wait on the pilots the less room they have to manoeuvre and the less time we have to do everything properly. The longer we wait on the tanks the further away from their static jammers and defences they get. B first This is decent logic. SAR first.
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Oct 4, 2018 23:06
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Let's go with B first. We could stand to refine our SAR procedures, anyway.
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Oct 4, 2018 23:08
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Hunt the Tanks
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Oct 5, 2018 00:04
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Remember that we are doing both, tank busting is definitely a core competency but all that means is that we're good enough at it to leave it until later without it being a huge problem for us. I'm seriously concerned that if we don't get the pilots out now we won't get them out at all.
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SAR first
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FrangibleCover posted:Seems like reasonably simple calculus to me. The longer we wait on the pilots the less room they have to manoeuvre and the less time we have to do everything properly. The longer we wait on the tanks the further away from their static jammers and defences they get. B first Agreed, SAR FIRST .
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Oct 5, 2018 01:43
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Sometimes you can't make this poo poo up. http://www.yugoimport.com/en/proizvodi/t-55t-62-main-battle-tank-families-upgrade-package
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Oct 5, 2018 01:50
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"transformation of morally obsolete tanks into effective combat systems addapted to modern warfare scenarios" That's... a unique problem for your tank squad, for sure
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Genaro posted:"transformation of morally obsolete tanks into effective combat systems addapted to modern warfare scenarios" gotta change with the times. need to teach tanks being gay is ok.
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SAR first following Frangible's logic.
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