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at my place, in the dev section we do kanban/lean and its evolved from agile scrum days company wide, we do TEAL and EOS..... look up some of that poo poo lol luckly my company is full of people that get rid of bullshit ideas so our implementations are actually pretty useful imo. meetings are facilitied really sharply so we dont get off topic barely at all and they all end exactly on time. well, the main ones that are weekly, the L10s. its kinda nice. this then sets up a culture all around about meetings where we stay on topic more often and end on time
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Oct 20, 2018 01:49
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Sagebrush posted:who was the yosposter a couple years ago who was complaining about their company cargo-culting "agile" and now their weekly hour-long all-hands meetings were done standing up me lol, that was my old job though i think. they actually tried something similar at the current job and it lasted like a week before everyone was just like "yeah no gently caress this"
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Oct 20, 2018 01:50
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my old boss used to talk about his previous job where everything required documentation and design and paperwork and approval before work on the programming could even begin and you'd work on one small project for 6 months straight as a result because everything moved glacially slow and for some reason this was a bad thing to him
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Oct 20, 2018 01:52
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Pretend that we completely defined this process, but also helpinh us to figure out these gaps is everyone's responsibility, but also just do whatever we tell you, but also figure out how you're supposed to deliver on project obligations
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Oct 20, 2018 01:52
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mystes posted:They should have just called it WHEEL since that's apparently what they like too reinvent poorly. 
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Oct 20, 2018 01:53
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we have a daily department head meeting where the head of maintenance lists all assets they handled in the day and what they did so poo poo like “548-34, 2k hours preventative, CM664, replaced wiper, PP867, down waiting for part, 320-BM, recalibrated main widget...” we have twelve departments, and we’re all expected to do this
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Oct 20, 2018 02:30
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it has nothing to do with this thread I just felt triggered into venting
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Oct 20, 2018 02:34
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Maritime mismanagement: similar to and different from computer mismanagement
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Oct 20, 2018 02:39
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the more we manage, the more we stay the same
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Oct 20, 2018 02:54
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prisoner of waffles posted:Pretend that we completely defined this process, but also helpinh us to figure out these gaps is everyone's responsibility, but also just do whatever we tell you, but also figure out how you're supposed to deliver on project obligations too real
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Oct 20, 2018 03:18
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FrozenVent posted:I never got past the part where upper management makes a ton of noise about implementing a management technique but then it dies on the vine because they don’t allow anyone time to work on it ahhhhHhhhhhHhHhhHhhHhHh “and why is project management a rotating door???”
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Oct 20, 2018 03:28
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for this implementation to succeed we need you to work four hours a day on it but your priority is production oh and the go-live is July 1st because that’s what the ceo said, no it doesn’t have any relation to how ready we’ll be or our fiscal cycle or operations look just run operations in the old system and re-enter everything in the new system no you can’t have more people
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Oct 20, 2018 03:33
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Shame Boy posted:my old boss used to talk about his previous job where everything required documentation and design and paperwork and approval before work on the programming could even begin and you'd work on one small project for 6 months straight as a result because everything moved glacially slow and for some reason this was a bad thing to him one place I spent like three hours optimizing a query and some data structures and then thirty-seven writing the fan fiction and running the meetings about it
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Oct 20, 2018 04:47
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a 12:1 ratio of paperwork is maybe a bit high but let's not get too carried away in the other direction ok
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Oct 20, 2018 05:19
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Shame Boy posted:my old boss used to talk about his previous job where everything required documentation and design and paperwork and approval before work on the programming could even begin and you'd work on one small project for 6 months straight as a result because everything moved glacially slow and for some reason this was a bad thing to him that isn’t generally a culture that leads to good results, no. you do this long design and approval process and then you run into reality same as everyone else. meanwhile efforts to e.g. upgrade the test infrastructure to not be based on grepping for specific strings in 20 megabytes of poorly-ordered log files would also go through the same design review process and so never actually happen
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Oct 20, 2018 06:43
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eschaton posted:as the bougie gently caress that I am, I’m starting to look at maybe getting a new car, and I’d like an electric as far as costs go, http://carboncounter.com/ shows lifetime average CO2, inc production. there are a lot of params under 'customization' coffeetable fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Oct 20, 2018 |
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Oct 20, 2018 07:28
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rjmccall posted:that isn’t generally a culture that leads to good results, no. you do this long design and approval process and then you run into reality same as everyone else. meanwhile efforts to e.g. upgrade the test infrastructure to not be based on grepping for specific strings in 20 megabytes of poorly-ordered log files would also go through the same design review process and so never actually happen the good result is the long process (enforced by regulatory bodies) meant they budgeted tons of time to everything and their customers had to accept it because regulations and so he actually worked 9 to 5 days without having to work weekends so no i still think it's better
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Oct 20, 2018 07:43
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Shame Boy posted:the good result is the long process (enforced by regulatory bodies) meant they budgeted tons of time to everything and their customers had to accept it because regulations and so he actually worked 9 to 5 days without having to work weekends so no i still think it's better I'll take false dichotomy for 1000 Alex.
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Oct 20, 2018 08:11
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Xarn posted:I'll take false dichotomy for 1000 Alex. feel free to link an example of a better process that requires thorough design and review steps and long budgets for development times then i'll wait
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Oct 20, 2018 09:18
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Because without spending a year up-front on a plan that won't survive the first contact with reality, we just cannot, cannot I tell you, work 9 to 5. ----edit---- A bit less flippantly, have you actually worked in regulation heavy field, like medical devices? I have, and the process you seem to idolize wasn't aimed at better outcomes for patients. It is aimed at covering company's rear end from being sued by performative due diligence. Process improvements (like better testing strategies) that are not useful for rear end-coverage are ignored, even if they would lead to a better and safer end product. ----edit2---- Oh and overtime was totally a thing. Xarn fucked around with this message at 11:38 on Oct 20, 2018 |
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Oct 20, 2018 09:59
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yes, we all know that computers are irredeemable garbage
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Oct 20, 2018 13:26
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"how long will this take?" "idk, maybe a week?" "oh my, oh no, that is way too expensive, the client will never pay for that" "acknowledged, will continue to do 'maintenance' i.e. nothing"
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Oct 20, 2018 14:54
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FrozenVent posted:we have a daily department head meeting where the head of maintenance lists all assets they handled in the day and what they did this is similar to how material condition things in the navy get handled, especially in shipyard and drydock availabilities. when you’re dealing with breaking down and rebuilding something so massive it’s necessary to breakdown the specifics at the lowest level and keep the highest level aware of general condition of most things while giving an opportunity to highlight critical issues. during an availability my day in engineering would start at 5-6am depending on how on schedule we were. the first meeting would be the department on the flight deck for muster and any general word from the overnight team to pass down. next leadership would break off with their divisions to asses anything that needs to be brought up with the shipyard team. the sailors then get to work with contractors and the khakis then go meet with shipyard team leads for daily briefing. once things are done with shipyard brief, get to work on any issues (typically part requisitions) and assist my specific team members in any way i can. after lunch have command wide brief where captain/xo are brought up on general progress and any specific issues. afterwards finish up work and hand off end of day info to daily duty department head so they can brief XO on progress at the end of the day. there are a lot of briefings, but at the end of the day all of those meetings are necessary for a good chunk of the people present. there’s no need to discuss minor discrepancies, but these things help make sure major problems are well known and being fixed. doing all of that for software development seems like major overkill.
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Oct 20, 2018 15:28
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Mr. Nice! posted:doing all of that for software development seems like major overkill. only because the stakes are so low. garbage process makes for garbage product, but no one cares how bugridden your burp and fart soundboard app, or office suite, or whatever is
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Oct 20, 2018 15:34
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https://twitter.com/elonmusk/status/1053390822991790083
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Oct 20, 2018 16:20
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"268K people are talking about this." Kill me.
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Oct 20, 2018 16:31
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i think its more of the suffering on aleksey, connie, myself, and everyone elses end while tim has sex with an unlimited amount of sentinels all day long -for free-
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Oct 20, 2018 16:34
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lol elon couldn't afford to buy epic right now
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Oct 20, 2018 17:00
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Mr. Nice! posted:there are a lot of briefings, but at the end of the day all of those meetings are necessary for a good chunk of the people present. there’s no need to discuss minor discrepancies, but these things help make sure major problems are well known and being fixed. yeah, if you’re managing a team that works in extremely tight coordination with multiple other teams (in this case because you’re literally working on the same physical things) and your day-to-day progress is of enough importance to upper management that they need to be ready to jump in to fix conflicts as soon as they come up, it’s useful to have a lot of daily meetings. like you had a couple peer meetings (previous shift, shipyard, next shift) and a down-meeting (team status) and an up-meeting (xo/captain briefing). all of those have clear purposes and seem totally reasonable when orgs get stifled with process it’s usually because there are a lot of steps with vague, aspirational purpose, or which are happening with much more granularity than is useful
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Oct 20, 2018 17:14
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i'd say "thanks, elon" unironically for this
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Oct 20, 2018 17:17
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rjmccall posted:when orgs get stifled with process it’s usually because there are a lot of steps with vague, aspirational purpose, or which are happening with much more granularity than is useful
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Oct 20, 2018 17:30
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Ciaphas posted:i'd say "thanks, elon" unironically for this Elon thinks it looks cool but it just clarifies that he's An Old
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Oct 20, 2018 17:31
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Ciaphas posted:i honestly thought most any car over US$100k or so was going to be a bit of a mess unless it was like a luxury car like a Jag or Bentley or something (and I'm sure their reputation in my head is as undeserved as Tesla's was) most luxury cars are total buckets of poo poo, because rich people love toys and aesthetics more than they care about reliability p.s. bentley is a VW product, and rolls royce is from BMW
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Oct 20, 2018 17:48
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Mr. Nice! posted:this is similar to how material condition things in the navy get handled, especially in shipyard and drydock availabilities. when you’re dealing with breaking down and rebuilding something so massive it’s necessary to breakdown the specifics at the lowest level and keep the highest level aware of general condition of most things while giving an opportunity to highlight critical issues. this is more like an admiral getting briefed about all the little problems in operational ships across a fleet, not “oh USS Dingleberry busted a prop shaft”, more like “seaman schmuckatelli changed the starboard side light on USS Poopscoop”. what you describe makes way too much sense
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Oct 20, 2018 18:00
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:most luxury cars are total buckets of poo poo, because rich people love toys and aesthetics more than they care about reliability and jag had a reputation for catching fire more frequently than they got oil changes
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Oct 20, 2018 18:00
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that quote sounds like something a pedophile would say
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Oct 20, 2018 18:29
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creationist believer posted:that quote sounds like something a pedophile would say
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Oct 20, 2018 18:36
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infernal machines posted:and jag had a reputation for catching fire more frequently than they got oil changes why would you ever change the oil in a jag? just top it up once a week, you should cycle out all the old oil in a month or so 
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:most luxury cars are total buckets of poo poo, because rich people love toys and aesthetics more than they care about reliability This is true sadly. Most luxurious cars don't die the mechanical death tho, they just have an insane value depriciation and a lot of delicate luxury, automation and infotainment systems that like to break and cost ludicrous money to replace. Also they are usually very heavy and will wear out suspension bushings, which are also expensive to replace. If you find a good one second hand though, you can have a fast, comfortable and "premium" car for little money. I would always go for the least amount of automated and electrified features possible in a car (if the engine you want allows that trim set). Side note, I just replaced the spark plugs and ignition coils in my 91 BMW and the thing is likely good for another 150k km before I have to overhaul the Powertrain (which I'm looking forward to because I can swap in a 3L crankshaft and some wide angle cams and maybe ITBs) and while I drive it the car actually becomes more and more valuable. Ironic if I think about it
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