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Donovan Trip posted:Can't tell if sarcasm No he literally did exactly that. OH ITS MY FAULT THIS IS BORING AND STUPID.
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Oct 23, 2018 18:15
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Also, having level requirements on items breaks the amazing Fallout tradition of goofing off and stumbling across high powered poo poo.
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Oct 23, 2018 18:16
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caps on caps on caps posted:Now that the bribe money is payed out, some more honest reviews are coming out That video was posted 3 days after the big press event.
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Donovan Trip posted:Can't tell if sarcasm did you watch the video, my man?
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Oct 23, 2018 18:28
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AlternateAccount posted:Also, having level requirements on items breaks the amazing Fallout tradition of goofing off and stumbling across high powered poo poo. Not to defend Bethesda here but it's really difficult to not do this when you also have PvP in your game. The only other alternative really is to make it so that different weapons are not strictly better or worse than one another, just different, and obviously that has it's own share of downsides (no real reward for exploring risky areas etc). Definitely agree that it goes hard against the FO grain.
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Oct 23, 2018 18:31
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Frog Act posted:this looks unbelievably bad and the whole VATs "shooting five feet to the right of something and killing it" is just horrible. the player characters all look the same, everyone clips through each other when they enter zones, holy heck this game doesn't seem to have a single redeeming thing going on Uh oh, they're going full star citizen
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that impressions video made me laugh when he said "im still gonna put 100 hours into this" because he sounds like the kind of insane person that gives an incredibly negative steam review to a game that he logged like 200 hrs into "what kind of replay value will it have tho" bruh if you get 100 hours of gameplay from this why the gently caress would replaying it cross your mind. I put 100 hrs into Witcher 3 and I'm almost def never gonna play it again.
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Oct 23, 2018 18:51
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Somebody asked for a streamer streaming the BETA. I found one: https://www.twitch.tv/aznikko Obviusly, at the time I posted this is only the login screen. But in the future it will be somebody playing! Looks like once theres a few online, will be here: https://www.twitch.tv/directory/game/Fallout%2076
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Oct 23, 2018 18:52
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DLC Inc posted:that impressions video made me laugh when he said "im still gonna put 100 hours into this" because he sounds like the kind of insane person that gives an incredibly negative steam review to a game that he logged like 200 hrs into Right? I put 200 hours combined into the Witcher trilogy, and 100 into Divinity Original Sin, I loved them, but there's like no chance I'm playing through again.
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Orv posted:I think it's hilarious, as always, how far goons are going to piss on a game release they don't personally like (looks like PS1, really?) but it's a shame there's really nothing redeeming seeming about this game. A Bethesda game with coop should be a grand slam and instead all of this. It will probably be really good for greifing. Looking at other Bethesda games I expect item duplication, OOB clipping, and infinite XP / cap exploits to plague this game for its entire lifetime. Quests requirements and enemy aggro look easily abuseable and a good way to indirectly annoy people. Perk cards will probably have some combos that will likely lead to things like zero damage infinite stagger or glitches like the mysterious stranger not counting as your kill so it doesn't put you on the wanted list. Gamebryo also tied a lot of things to FPS in FO4 and if the networking code on Quake Champions is any example you can expect there to be a lot of exploitable funkiness between client-server calculations in this game. We don't know the full extent of the protections they put in, but the stuff they mentioned so far seems to provide just as much protection for the griefer as it does the greifee. It also seems to only protect against killing someone, not loving with their environment.
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Oct 23, 2018 18:55
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lol all damage in pvp is normalized so a level 5 person can kill a level 50 person and items don't matter, wow
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Oct 23, 2018 18:57
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It'll be funny watching someone in a vault suit plink a decked out power armor player with a 10mm pistol
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Whats wrong with that.
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the IGN press event video had him and a few others plink to death a BGS guy in power armor it was good times How funny it'll be that a group of low level players is more dangerous than a high level
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Donovan Trip posted:the IGN press event video had him and a few others plink to death a BGS guy in power armor it was good times Welcome to Goonswarm
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Donovan Trip posted:the IGN press event video had him and a few others plink to death a BGS guy in power armor it was good times It would be hilarious once we have weapons that put people on fire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXGpToZkTe0 (video is not related)
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Oct 23, 2018 19:18
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Frog Act posted:lol all damage in pvp is normalized so a level 5 person can kill a level 50 person and items don't matter, wow wow that explains why the pip boy made your little wrist computer level lock the equipment you pick up
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Oct 23, 2018 19:20
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The pre-release footage would look a LOT better if every firearm didn't have a fire rate of 1 bullet per minute.
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Oct 23, 2018 19:35
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You can keep throwing yourself at someone once they kill you too. All it takes is you shooting them to reinitiate pvp and you can respawns right next to them.
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Oct 23, 2018 19:46
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Orv posted:A Bethesda game with coop should be a grand slam Idk how this would ever be a home run when Fallout 4 was held together by tape and glue and represented a series nadir in terms of progress. An online co-op game is like the last thing the Bethesda guys should try given how much things break in the main games, at least not until they have a eureka moment and start fresh with a better engine and roadmap.
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DLC Inc posted:Idk how this would ever be a home run when Fallout 4 was held together by tape and glue and represented a series nadir in terms of progress. An online co-op game is like the last thing the Bethesda guys should try given how much things break in the main games, at least not until they have a eureka moment and start fresh with a better engine and roadmap. I mean it would still be a Bethesda game, so the limitations and issues would need to at least be amusing rather than world breaking or soul-suckingly boring like they were in FO4. I think Bethesda's greatest strength is creating cool worlds and then their biggest weakness is an absolute lack of anything interesting to fill them with. On some level coop games for me are a hang out with friends and gently caress around activity, so the mile wide pond of those games would be a good place for that. Obviously I'd prefer if it had interesting quests and PoIs that were more than a cave filled with [Monster] [Loot] [Trap x 2] and a journal I'll never read, but I'm not going to pretend I haven't sunk plenty of time into them over the years despite their shortcomings. The issue is that you're right, FO4 was Bad and while my initial reaction to 76 was "I could stomp around in some power armor with my friends" it became pretty quickly obvious that it was just going to be a FO4 rehash thrown together for a quick buck. I think it could have been more, but I don't think, until they're willing to slaughter the golden lamb that is PC modding through Gamebryo, that it would have been, or their next games will be.
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think this means it won't be available each day https://twitter.com/Fallout/status/1054807316703391744
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Oct 23, 2018 19:59
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4 hour opening, surely this'll go smoothly.
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Tei posted:Somebody asked for a streamer streaming the BETA. Thank you!
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Oct 23, 2018 20:03
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Why doesn't it say the next time you can play right from they launcher instead of that generic "lack sufficient entitlements" message? Like you gotta run to Twitter to find out?
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Oct 23, 2018 20:06
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Arcsquad12 posted:Apparently some people have been having login troubles? It doesn't launch until 7pm, so that checks out
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Donovan Trip posted:Why doesn't it say the next time you can play right from they launcher instead of that generic "lack sufficient entitlements" message? Like you gotta run to Twitter to find out? I'm assuming it is some BS Xbox live limitation. Adding a note on the login screen probably counts as a patch or something stupid along those lines and so can't go outside scheduled release windows or whatever. Lot stories floating around about stuff like that. Maintaining a game that uses Xbox live is apparently a giant pain.
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Oct 23, 2018 20:27
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BattleHamster posted:It will probably be really good for greifing. I personally fully expect a weapon that doesn't do much damage but knocks back the other player. I also expect it to not count the fall damage it causes against the player using it, allowing you to throw people off a cliff and kill them without triggering PVP.
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Oct 23, 2018 20:39
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Oh, there is level pre-req on loot now.  Level 1 Pipe Gun, and notice that greyed out mini-gun he just picked up:  Which has a level of 35, so he can't equip or use it.... 
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lovely Wizard posted:I personally fully expect a weapon that doesn't do much damage but knocks back the other player. I also expect it to not count the fall damage it causes against the player using it, allowing you to throw people off a cliff and kill them without triggering PVP. Also it goes without saying this was a way to grief in EVE, because everything is a way to grief in EVE. giv fatmn or bump!!
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Xik posted:Oh, there is level pre-req on loot now. yea, it sucks. anyway MMO players are not human anymore and can complete 700 hours games in 24 hours then whine about the lack of content, so timegating progression has become a trench warfare between the playerbase and the devs. some games do it differently, like Destiny allow you to get the best weapon in the game after level 7 or so, but is gated by a RNG, that is his different type of bullshit
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Oct 23, 2018 20:45
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Tei posted:yea, it sucks. The problem with the "stumble into greatness" strategy that single player games can use is that in multiplayer only one guy has to stumble into it and then post about it and now everyone has one. OG SWG tried it and it took like a couple months for the first person to figure out how to be a Jedi, and then a day later half the population were Jedis and the devs got real sad.
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Oct 23, 2018 20:50
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Tei posted:anyway MMO players are not human anymore and can complete 700 hours games in 24 hours then whine about the lack of content, so timegating progression has become a trench warfare between the playerbase and the devs. I don't think devs will ever win that particular contest. The answer to MMOs not having enough content is to do what Eve does - allow people to make big sandcastles for other players to kick over. Then the players become the content.
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Rent-A-Cop posted:The problem with the "stumble into greatness" strategy that single player games can use is that in multiplayer only one guy has to stumble into it and then post about it and now everyone has one. SWG should have been scum bags about it and made Jedis permadeath and only like 2% of players able to be one.
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DLC Inc posted:Idk how this would ever be a home run when Fallout 4 was held together by tape and glue and represented a series nadir in terms of progress. An online co-op game is like the last thing the Bethesda guys should try given how much things break in the main games, at least not until they have a eureka moment and start fresh with a better engine and roadmap. Considering Fallout 4 is still selling well and being played quite a bit, even though this thread hates the game beyond all reason, there's no reason to think that Fallout 76 won't also sell well. Fallout 4 is a lot of fun. Fallout 76 will probably also be a lot of fun. deathbagel fucked around with this message at 21:08 on Oct 23, 2018 |
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DLC Inc posted:Idk how this would ever be a home run when Fallout 4 was held together by tape and glue and represented a series nadir in terms of progress. An online co-op game is like the last thing the Bethesda guys should try given how much things break in the main games, at least not until they have a eureka moment and start fresh with a better engine and roadmap. Nah this’ll be one of those Outs in little league when the kid throws the bat across the field and hits someone.
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Tei posted:some games do it differently, like Destiny allow you to get the best weapon in the game after level 7 or so, but is gated by a RNG, that is his different type of bullshit Whaaaa? Maybe get the best weapon but its light 45 when you need like it at like light 400 or someshit. What are you talking about Destiny weapons are all gated like this.
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mormonpartyboat posted:wow that explains why the pip boy made your little wrist computer level lock the equipment you pick up immersive
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