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Waffle House posted:I'd probably get shot for dumpster diving an X, but it looks like with a little elbow grease and maybe a roof I could drive it Fren, watch Rich Rebuilds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=channel?UCfV0_wbjG8KJADuZT2ct4SA?videos
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lmao how a whole Tesla in the photo got thrown into the trash pile wheels and all.
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bawfuls posted:ok so going by these numbers and a little math I'm pretty sure that level of profit for an automobile doesn't just strain credulity; it's just on-its-face absurd/impossible. I remember hearing that most sedans only make like $1-2k in profits or something.
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Oct 30, 2018 02:22
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ah, but 3rd party dealerships are theft you see
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Oct 30, 2018 02:36
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Meanwhile, the RWD LR option is apparently gone and there are rumors of a battery shortage. Hence the LEMR to conserve on batteries.
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Oct 30, 2018 02:50
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etalian posted:lmao how a whole Tesla in the photo got thrown into the trash pile wheels and all. correction: it drove itself into the trash this is a feature 
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Oct 30, 2018 02:57
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Oct 30, 2018 03:12
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The Q3 numbers are totally legit as long as you believe that a car company can go from losing hundreds of millions every quarter to making a massive profit in one quarter, much larger than any of the established auto companies that are tightly and efficiently run to survive on small margins and huge CapEx costs and also during that same Miracle Quarter you somehow ignore the dozens of executives running for the hills **including the CAO**, the countless images of abandoned desert cars with failed QC stickers, the growing pile of lawsuits/leins, and the idiotic train of unhinged Musk tweets promising impossible things and taunting regulators Totally legit
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Truga posted:ah, but 3rd party dealerships are theft you see well...
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Oct 30, 2018 03:37
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Ytlaya posted:I'm pretty sure that level of profit for an automobile doesn't just strain credulity; it's just on-its-face absurd/impossible. I remember hearing that most sedans only make like $1-2k in profits or something. This varies wildly by brand. Porsche is known for absurdly high profits for a large manufacturer at around $18k per vehicle.
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Oct 30, 2018 03:47
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fknlo posted:This varies wildly by brand. Porsche is known for absurdly high profits for a large manufacturer at around $18k per vehicle. However, the quality of Porsche is much, much higher than that of Tesla. They've gotten their production line down pat.
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fknlo posted:This varies wildly by brand. Porsche is known for absurdly high profits for a large manufacturer at around $18k per vehicle. their servicing is also highway robbery, my boss who lives in loving Bel Air had to downgrade to a Lexus after a year, because replacing the tires every three months (those are heavy cars, and why them putting out an EV should be a cakewalk) and other miscellaneous repair center visits that could reach two grand were able to tighten even his purse strings.
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iospace posted:However, the quality of Porsche is much, much higher than that of Tesla. They've gotten their production line down pat. "Intermediate Shaft Bearings"
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Waffle House posted:"Intermediate Shaft Bearings" We don't talk about those.
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Oct 30, 2018 05:20
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Waffle House posted:"Intermediate Shaft Bearings" Every manufacturer has "that part" that you can bring up to say they're unreliable. Ford spark plugs GM ignition switch Honda automatic transmissions Toyota frames BMW HPFP Mercedes biodegradable wiring Chrysler.....gently caress, Chrysler everything Porsche does still put out the occasional lemon, but they're consistently at the top of reliability ratings.
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iospace posted:We don't talk about those. "The Iron Duke" "Changing spark plugs on a Triton V8" "Volkswagen EPA scandal" "7M-G(T)E Head Studs" I am unfortunately so gay for cars that even international scandals don't throw me from any manufacturer though
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The Iron Duke was... a weird duck. It's a 100% bulletproof engine (see all the Grumman LLVs still running around), but gods it made no power.
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iospace posted:The Iron Duke was... a weird duck. It's a 100% bulletproof engine (see all the Grumman LLVs still running around), but gods it made no power. yeah I guess fair, mail trucks, but the Fiero could have used something else for how...you know what, nevermind, let's not talk about the Fiero e: I'll let the malaise era speak for itself too
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fknlo posted:This varies wildly by brand. Porsche is known for absurdly high profits for a large manufacturer at around $18k per vehicle. Luxury cars are an exception. While Model 3s are expensive, they aren't really luxury cars (and it's already been established that the reason they weren't actually selling the $35k ones is that they couldn't make money on them).
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Everyone’s focusing on the 3 margins... But Tesla also claims their S and X margins almost doubled last quarter. Magic.
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i wonder if elong will scream and struggle as they remove him from the tent in handcuffs, and someone will catch it all on video from a drone
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FistEnergy posted:I'm confused because a financial professional should sniff out this mickey mouse bullshit in a nanosecond markets have never been efficient and the finance industry is run by some of the dumbest people alive. donald trump was still getting debt investment until like five years ago.
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fknlo posted:This varies wildly by brand. Porsche is known for absurdly high profits for a large manufacturer at around $18k per vehicle. By percentage Porsche isn't much more profitable than other premium brands. They all vary around the 6-10 percent region depending on model. Re: iron Duke It's not hard to make a reliable engine. The hard part of Powertrain engineering is making the engine light, relieable, efficient and clean for its power output. Sadly reliability is the first thing that went out the window in the mid 2000s (egr, particle filters, complicated variable valve timing and lift solutions) Combat Theory has issued a correction as of 12:10 on Oct 30, 2018 |
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Something I'm unclear on is the whole mechanics liens and accounts payable thing; how much flexibility does creative handling of that offer? LIke, I can totally believe that they could fucktouple their margin on any given car if they just don't pay for the parts and the contractor work and their factory electricity bills and their taxes and just shoo shoo all that debt into some unspecific future? Are they even legally obliged to include that in the calculation of margin/per unit or is actually okay to just call it irrelevant by-the-by debt they'll deal with later? I'm trying to figure out how easy is it to just call this straight up fraud versus it being potentially legal creative accounting. In the next quarter or the one after that they might break ground with on the Chinese factory, funnel all the investment money they get for that to finally pay up their bills and handwave their numbers being red as gently caress as "Well, we're investing! We're expanding! You can't grow without spending, dummy!" By then they might as well be finally able to raise funds again and keep the ponzi scheme running until they can actually produce a functional car they can actually profit from sometime in 2035 after Elon finally overdoses?
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Teal posted:Something I'm unclear on is the whole mechanics liens and accounts payable thing; how much flexibility does creative handling of that offer? Well, an expense is an expense when you incur it and a raw materials inventory asset is an inventory asset when you make it, not when you pay for the raw materials. But as we all know, the best way for your business to have fcf is to not pay your bills at all. 
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Combat Theory posted:Re: iron Duke 1970s-1980s tractor engines are the best example of this. weigh a ton, can be identified by smell a field away, produce a dozen or so horsepower at most, and are utterly bulletproof with routine maintenance. emissions controls are finally showing up on off-road engines and let's just say that it isn't very popular among the users.
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Shifty Pony posted:1970s-1980s tractor engines are the best example of this. weigh a ton, can be identified by smell a field away, produce a dozen or so horsepower at most, and are utterly bulletproof with routine maintenance. That's from a big part just the insane torque they're optimized for; high torque and low RPM means everything has to be overbuilt and yet there's less gradual wear from friction as that depends more on the distance traveled (as in, the number of turns a given bearing makes, for instance) rather than the relative loads. High torque low RPM also offers itself better to consciously engineering stuff to looser tolerances. I don't doubt today quasi-monopoly locked manufacturers love the opportunity to use emission control to build the brand new ones with bits designed to fail but the base physics requirements on these machines inherently make them last longer normally.
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Vomik posted:
The pitot tube icing over is what brought down that air France flight from Brazil
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I can't believe frosty pitot tubes are what's still bringing down airliners in YOTL2018. These things are meant to have self checks and redundancy out of the rear end; how comes this isn't detected and how comes there's no alternative like cross reference from for example GPS?
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because in tyool 2018, most pilots aren't pilots, they're autopilot babysitters. couple lack of regular hands on flying with shoestring airline budgets and they don't get nearly enough simulator time either, so you end up with this poo poo. "my plane is falling out of the sky what do? better pull on that stick to climb some more" *stalls into ocean*
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If you don’t follow checklists or have lax maintenance anything can bring down an airliner That headline is pretty funny though, if you know anything at all about airplanes it’s almost on the level of like, “Did a small metal tube kill JFK? Experts speculate that a tube filled with explosives used to throw a metal ball called a gun may have contributed to his death”
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broke: flat earth woke: tube earth
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HookedOnChthonics posted:If you don’t follow checklists or have lax maintenance anything can bring down an airliner gently caress and i thought it was bc he didnt nuke cuba
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HookedOnChthonics posted:If you don’t follow checklists or have lax maintenance anything can bring down an airliner Did a small metal tube bring down a large metal tube? *clicks the link* No... no it didn't.
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HookedOnChthonics posted:If you don’t follow checklists or have lax maintenance anything can bring down an airliner i mean, yeah, but in an ideal world, the pilot would also know what the gently caress to do in a situation where your pitot tube is hosed, instead of panicking and lawndarting into the ground.
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Rated PG-34 posted:gently caress and i thought it was bc he didnt nuke cuba Nukes are also metal tubes.
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brugroffil posted:The pitot tube icing over is what brought down that air France flight from Brazil that and pilot incompetence. the lengthy New Yorker article about this was a great read
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Truga posted:because in tyool 2018, most pilots aren't pilots, they're autopilot babysitters Yeah I get that but that's all the more reason to not rely on one source of altitude/velocity reading when we already have another that's probably more accurate and more reliable at both, and at least when it fails it's very easy to tell that it failed, by design GPS doesn't really have a way to bullshit fake data because as soon as anything is slightly off the maths completely falls apart so it's easy to spot the fail state.
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