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Niwrad posted:Not a lot of teams giving out big, long contracts to pitchers over 30. Price - 7yrs/$217M Scherzer - 7yrs/$210M Greinke - 6yrs/$206.5M Verlander - 7yrs/$180M Sabathia - 5yrs/$122M Lester - 6yrs/$155M Cueto - 6yrs/$130M Darvish - 6yrs/$126M Cliff Lee - 5yrs/$120M
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I get that it's a lot of money. But Clayton Kershaw is ridiculously good, I could see him getting 5/150 fairly easy. I do not see him getting 2/60 3 years from now. Maybe he really really wants to stay in LA, but I feel like his agent should have pushed for more years. Even going to the FA market he could have tested the waters and still signed with the Dodgers for the same deal but likely could have pushed for more if he had other offers. Popete fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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Kershaw is yet another example of this phenomena at work. Justin Turner's deal also qualifies. https://twitter.com/ChadMoriyama/status/1058460164313964544
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Nov 2, 2018 22:02
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bawfuls posted:Kershaw is yet another example of this phenomena at work. Justin Turner's deal also qualifies. I was unaware that people thought nobody likes playing for LA.
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Nov 2, 2018 22:05
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That's nuts. I thought for sure we would be looking at 5+ years. Super reasonable.
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You gotta add up the total compensation. A month off in October has got to be worth something.
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Inspector_666 posted:I was unaware that people thought nobody likes playing for LA. SAS is aware of how awful Bill Plaschke is. Now realize he's probably the most read Dodgers columnist. edit: also this is cool and good https://twitter.com/Joelsherman1/status/1058464483780243458 bawfuls fucked around with this message at 22:09 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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bawfuls posted:The following pitchers signed bigger/longer deals starting at age 30 or later: This is what I'm talking about, how did Kershaw not get at the very least a similar deal as all these guys? I really think he could have gotten 5/150 or even 6/170. I feel like I'm missing something that most people seem to think this was a good deal for Kershaw.
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bawfuls posted:By "people" Chad means LA sports talk radio callers and their ilk. There is a large, loud, ignorant contingent of fans who cry and scream every time the team loses on October that the FO/management/etc are ruining a great team and alienating players. Oh, that makes more sense. 
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Just think of the legions of New Yorkers who listened to Mike Francesa religiously, and translate that to LA. Same thing really.
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bawfuls posted:Just think of the legions of New Yorkers who listened to Mike Francesa religiously, and translate that to LA. Same thing really. Why would you put that in the past tense?! He's still on the air! 
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Re: Cleveland I am sure that they get floated trade proposals for the rotation all the time. They’ll listen and reject anything they don’t feel works. This is getting a lot of traction because it’s early and they have a lot of good pieces for teams to dream about. Honestly, I bet if the Yankees came back and offered Frazier+ one or two mid level prospects for Kluber they’d think long and hard about it. Same thing for Dodgers and Verdugo+, or Gallo+
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bawfuls posted:By "people" Chad means LA sports talk radio callers and their ilk. There is a large, loud, ignorant contingent of fans who cry and scream every time the team loses on October that the FO/management/etc are ruining a great team and alienating players. I couldn't get through his column today. I mean, there are a few legitimate bones to pick with the FO this year (well, mostly one, being the bullpen), but aside from that, any sort of serious beef with them is controversy manufacturing at its most obvious and dumb. Good to hear about Ryu and the QO. I would be kind of crushed if he left...
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bawfuls posted:The following pitchers signed bigger/longer deals starting at age 30 or later: I'm talking last couple years. Darvish is the only one and that's looked like a disaster. Arrieta and Cobb got less than people expected. I just don't think we're going to see these 6-7 year deals much anymore for older pitchers.
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Hotdog In A Hallway posted:Re: Cleveland I don't know how much value Frazier has right now. He incurred a brain injury in Spring Training and it pretty much kept him off the field for an entire season.
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Hotdog In A Hallway posted:Re: Cleveland Details of Kershaw's deal are extremely on brand for this FO https://twitter.com/Ken_Rosenthal/status/1058463814142824448
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Verdugo+ for Kluber would make a lot of sense, though I still want to see what kind of player he becomes with everyday at bats.
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Inspector_666 posted:I don't know how much value Frazier has right now. He incurred a brain injury in Spring Training and it pretty much kept him off the field for an entire season.  oh Clint if you had never left you would have never tripped and you would be crushing bombs in the Cleve.I assume any deal for a rotation piece would require an MLB ready outfielder since the outfield was a tire fire.
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The Athletic is reporting that the Cubs are unlikely to make a big splash this offseason. Concerns over money I guess. Is there a chance the Phillies could nab Harper and Machado? I don't know what their owner is like but they seem to have a lot of space if they wanted to make a huge run.
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bawfuls posted:I'd trade Verdugo + lesser guys for Kluber in an instant. He legit took an AAV paycut to get one more year guaranteed. What on Earth. I hate my dumb team. He's had 28+ starts once since 2014 and that was 2015 with 33. He also *only* has one cy young in that time period. Thom P. Tiers fucked around with this message at 22:32 on Nov 2, 2018 |
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Slothass posted:I think he sees the writing in the wall with his ability this year. Use these three years to try to get a ring then retire. What part of this involves staying on the Dodgers Inspector_666 posted:Why would you put that in the past tense?! He's still on the air! And apparently has a $9 a month app for periodic subscriber only shows that he's very defensive about when people question the number of subscribers
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Niwrad posted:The Athletic is reporting that the Cubs are unlikely to make a big splash this offseason. Concerns over money I guess. Has Harper made any noise about where he’d prefer to end up or is he pretty much fine with whoever offers the best deal?
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Has Harper made any noise about where he’d prefer to end up or is he pretty much fine with whoever offers the best deal? He's worn shirts/hats of Chicago teams for a couple of photos (Bulls/Blackhawks), but I'm pretty sure the only quotes he's made on record are about how much he likes being in DC.
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Nov 2, 2018 22:38
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Harper to the Blackhawks confirmed.
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Popete posted:Harper to the Blackhawks confirmed. poo poo, dude's already got the hair for hockey.
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Inspector_666 posted:poo poo, dude's already got the hair for hockey. Oh yeah
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Niwrad posted:The Athletic is reporting that the Cubs are unlikely to make a big splash this offseason. Concerns over money I guess. If Middleton was the GM, he would sign both guys to a blank check in a heartbeat Actual GM Klentak might not agree
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Inspector_666 posted:poo poo, dude's already got the hair for hockey. still missing something 
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Popete posted:Harper to the Blackhawks confirmed. He can't be worse at defense than Brandon Manning
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Also, pirates hired Rick Eckstein as the batting coach. I don’t know much about him, he is David’s brother
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I guess HitTrackerOnline is dead now. Are there any other sites that let you overlay different parks onto a player's home runs? I was trying to see Bryce's dingers overlaid with AT&T for... reasons
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bawfuls posted:The following pitchers signed bigger/longer deals starting at age 30 or later: I thought the Scherzer, Verlander, Sabathia and Grienke deals were worth it. The rest were a crapshoot and definitely too long. Higher average per year with less years will start to be the norm.
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On why Kershaw didn't seek a longer deal: https://twitter.com/jphoornstra/status/1058496060857843712 As odd as that sounds, it is consistent with what he's said in the past. When he signed his 7 year extension with the current opt out, the Dodgers initially offered him $300M over 15 years but he expressed the same concern about not living up to such a long deal. Maximizing dollars does not appear to be at the top of his priority list. But crushing the haters sure is. https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1058495115767963648 Kershaw likes being a Dodger, big surprise. https://twitter.com/BillShaikin/status/1058494646567895040 bawfuls fucked around with this message at 00:34 on Nov 3, 2018 |
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bawfuls posted:On why Kershaw didn't seek a longer deal: I mean....lmao but I guess you can be like that when you’re gonna pull $300 million+ during your baseball career.
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Also this is definitive proof that California is better than Texas.
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Confirmed, Kershaw is upside down on his house and can’t sell it.
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The Pussy Boss posted:I guess HitTrackerOnline is dead now. Are there any other sites that let you overlay different parks onto a player's home runs? I was trying to see Bryce's dingers overlaid with AT&T for... reasons HTO died at the beginning of the season. The guy running it took a new job (I want to say a stats job with a team but I don't remember for sure) and didn't have the time for maintenance.
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"I want to prove all the haters wrong who say I'm in decline, but I also don't think I can pitch beyond 3 years."
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