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eschaton posted:those were hand rendered bitmapped italics they were using that's not how i remember it. almost all irix fonts were adobe type 1 or the other thing that only solaris and irix used they look like bitmap fonts because nobody worried about "antialiasing" back then
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:judging from the screenshot, he's got an r5k o2 they also said “not mine, but” when posting the screen shot, I assumed that meant “not my SGI” rather than just “just like mine but not specially it” quote:yeah windowmaker copied the next look and feel, but wasn't really integrated with gnustep worse, someone from FSF said “sure” when it’s author asked “can WindowMaker be the official GNUstep window manager?” so after that the connection between the two was indelible quote:the thing tankakern linked to is an actual gnustep desktop environment, just, decades too late for most people to notice yeah, I was happy to see someone finally got everything together that I considered starting a company to do in 1999-99
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 06:04 |
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selinux is peak linux this is an arcane and pointlessly stupid devourer of my time so surely it has to be doing something useful right?
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 06:06 |
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Sapozhnik posted:selinux is peak linux selinux is good and cool and learned the important lessons from trusted solaris and trusted hpux
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 06:17 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's not how i remember it. almost all irix fonts were adobe type 1 or the other thing that only solaris and irix used no, both ATM and TrueType would use prerendered bitmaps if they were available, so some “important” fonts would also ship with hand tuned bitmaps for common sizes the “hero” font for a UI—like Helvetica 12 Bold-Oblique for IRIX, or Chicago for Macintosh—is exactly why that capability exists
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 06:17 |
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eschaton posted:no, both ATM and TrueType would use prerendered bitmaps if they were available, so some “important” fonts would also ship with hand tuned bitmaps for common sizes oh yeah even windows did this, so i guess i should not be surprised that proprietary unix managed it.
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 06:18 |
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eschaton posted:you should get it up and running Notorious b.s.d. posted:judging from the screenshot, he's got an r5k o2 It wasn't a screenshot from my machine as I said, but yeah an r5k. It's a bit slow, but it was the only O2 I could get my hands on, and mostly that's how you can legally get a copy of IRIX anyway (other than harddisks). I've had it for 9 years now and it still works. I just don't run it all the time. I fire it up every few years to check its scsi disks, and of course the battery is long gone, but the RTC chip is still okayish, so there's always a couple of boots and it panics occasionally with the ram (i have a lot of spares, noone wants that old 128m ECC ram). It also needs a new cdrom drive.
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 08:47 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:selinux is good and cool and learned the important lessons from trusted solaris and trusted hpux it is also arcane and pointlessly stupid. the tooling and documentation are laughably bad. it works perfectly well if you make the huge and far-more-than-should-be-necessary effort to grok its weirdness. so yeah it's pretty fuckin linux
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 09:27 |
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2018 is the year of NetHack on Linux on the carpet thanks to Luigi30, she inspired me to figure out how to set up a getty on /dev/ttyUSB0 on my GPD Pocket I need one of those RS-232 to WiFi boards to just plug into the back of the VT520, then I could terminal anywhere
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 10:59 |
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why limit yourself to crummy text games when your terminal supports sick sixel graphics https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0SasrQ7pnbA
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 12:15 |
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r u ready to WALK posted:why limit yourself to crummy text games when your terminal supports sick sixel graphics sneksel
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 12:22 |
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spankmeister posted:sneksel
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 12:28 |
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:it is also arcane and pointlessly stupid. the tooling and documentation are laughably bad. it works perfectly well if you make the huge and far-more-than-should-be-necessary effort to grok its weirdness. so yeah it's pretty fuckin linux it's way better than the systems that preceded it if you think selinux is arcane and poorly documented, try configuring capability-based permissions on solaris it starts with a book as thick as the yellow pages, and a java gui that takes several minutes to start. (not an exaggeration. minutes.)
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 16:26 |
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eschaton posted:yeah, I was happy to see someone finally got everything together that I considered starting a company to do in 1999-99 i don't know precisely how your career has gone, but i can just about guarantee that it has gone better than it would have if you had started "eazel, but for gnustep" those were heady days you probably dodged a bullet
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 16:27 |
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ewe2 posted:It wasn't a screenshot from my machine as I said, but yeah an r5k. It's a bit slow, but it was the only O2 I could get my hands on, and mostly that's how you can legally get a copy of IRIX anyway (other than harddisks). I've had it for 9 years now and it still works. I just don't run it all the time. sgi doesn't exist anymore, but back when they did, they gave zero fucks about this essentially if you owned an sgi machine, you had an entitlement to irix -m train releases. you only needed a support contract if you wanted the -f train.... or, for that matter, support if you stumble across a copy of 6.5.22m or 6.5.30, use it guilt free. sgi was happy to give those away, two bankruptcies ago.
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 16:30 |
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Sapozhnik posted:selinux is peak linux i agree. they should just use something like apple's t2 chip for security. i hear it has something called a "secure enclave" to protect me from viruses.
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 16:46 |
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Idk the specifics of what apple thing you are mocking because I don't use apple stuff but a "secure enclave" is a fancy marketing term for an hsm. Which serves a useful purpose. Selinux does not.
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 19:21 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:if you stumble across a copy of 6.5.22m or 6.5.30, use it guilt free. sgi was happy to give those away, two bankruptcies ago. I know that, but you need to reeducate the rest of the internet then. Go ahead, we'll wait
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# ? Nov 4, 2018 20:49 |
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the main problem with irix isn’t finding the discs, it’s installation you need thirteen discs to do a reasonable install of 6.5.22m. and you will use most of the discs more than once. it’s extraordinarily unpleasant without an install server to do it via NFS
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 05:43 |
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and now I have an HP 9000/332 workstation/controller on the way the SCSI card is unfortunately difficult to come by, at least the LAN card isn’t
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 06:31 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's way better than the systems that preceded it "beats the poo poo out of solaris but still sucks" is very, very linux
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 11:28 |
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soo are system 76 stuff anything worth buying?
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 13:55 |
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no
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 14:00 |
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right
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 15:21 |
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eschaton posted:and now I have an HP 9000/332 workstation/controller on the way on a system that old, aren’t you expected to hook up disks via hp-ib?
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:the main problem with irix isn’t finding the discs, it’s installation requiring disk re-use is incredibly stupid
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 16:01 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:on a system that old, aren’t you expected to hook up disks via hp-ib? it’s new enough that it’s boot ROM supports both HP-IB and SCSI and even booting from the network via RMP it can also boot from a card with 256KB of EPROM, since it was also intended as an embedded controller
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# ? Nov 5, 2018 17:26 |
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Captain Foo posted:requiring disk re-use is incredibly stupid older irix releases are only one or two discs for the OS, and a disc or two for layered products. 6.5 was initially five, then nine, and just kept expanding. it became very clear you were really meant to have an nfs install server.
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# ? Nov 6, 2018 07:46 |
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Apollo Domain/OS 10.4 comes on five QIC tapes and then I guess another tape each for the 10.4.1 upgrade and the 10.4.1.2 patch set
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# ? Nov 6, 2018 08:42 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:6.5 was initially five, then nine, and just kept expanding. it became very clear you were really meant to have an nfs install server. code:
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 00:23 |
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this is horrifying but i can't quite put my finger on why
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 06:39 |
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it’s not so bad I’m contemplating setting up NetBSD on a RPi to act as a plug-and-play net boot server for my Apollo and HP-9000/332
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 09:59 |
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Kevin Mitnick P.E. posted:this is horrifying but i can't quite put my finger on why it's not horrifying the things you have to do to a unix host to make it an irix install server are ... terrible. ksh93 as /bin/sh enable rsh and rcp access allow tftp to the entire network share enable nfs v2 w/ no authentication it's just gross
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 16:44 |
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eschaton posted:it’s not so bad i would go with a VM or that docker image
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 16:45 |
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i'll always laugh at korn shell
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 17:22 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:it's not horrifying haha nice recently i set up nfs v2, but with auth, to share a folder with an nfs driver for dos 6.22
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 17:44 |
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Tankakern posted:haha nice that's an extra stage of terrible since you have to enable pc-nfs extensions
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 17:59 |
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:that's an extra stage of terrible since you have to enable pc-nfs extensions yep, i patched pcnfsd to work with glibc with an external libtircp, since that's not a part of glibc anymore :p
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# ? Nov 7, 2018 18:32 |
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dropbox told all rhel6 users to get hosed
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hifi posted:i'll always laugh at korn shell what would a KoЯn shell be like
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