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Gay Horney posted:your Saurus warriors should be cheap don't you get upkeep reduction? Kroks Saurus warriors (not Spearmen) are better than longbeards, better than black orcs, better than grave guard. Use them a loving looooot lol. takes a bit but you can get regular saurus down to 0 (yes zero) upkeep. just with his personal army, but still. it's crazy.
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you'd keep one unit of spears around for dealing with large, if you weren't kroq-gar you have ways of dealing with large
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Nov 13, 2018 05:36
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Amuys posted:
HAAAIL THE CHIBI, SHE'S A RISIN FROM THE WEEEEB edit: i think its cute though, well done juggalo baby coffin fucked around with this message at 07:02 on Nov 13, 2018 |
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Nov 13, 2018 06:33
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Deck Gunners don't replace zombie handgunners, but two or so in your firing line (the edges, for preference) is invaluable IMO. They're basically snipers for focusing down particularly dangerous poo poo, so heavy cavalry, monsters, etc; while your handgunners shoot down everything else. Shieldbreaker on their shots lets them combo with zombie handgunners against Swordmasters and whatever has "shields" too.
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Nov 13, 2018 06:59
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yeah deck gunners are vital against factions with big monsters, they take down mammoths and dragons pretty well.
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Nov 13, 2018 07:05
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I wish I could figure out what handcannons are used for though.
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Nov 13, 2018 07:09
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Ain't nothing like routing a dragon before it even engages your front line.
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Nov 13, 2018 07:09
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The infamy system is neat and I hope modders find a way to adapt it to existing races. For instance, Empire could have a Legitimacy leaderboard that has you trying to top the other elector counts to get them to join you. One of their settlement conquest options could be to immediately hand over the territory to an ally to get more Legitimacy. Dwarves could get a badly needed overhaul of their grudge system which might require you to strike out grudges the other Clans have.
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Nov 13, 2018 07:25
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The mechanic I like most is loyalty gains being a lord specific goal. Although a lot of them are weird and arbitrary. I'd love to see it expanded actually to a whole thing where your skaven boys get their own missions with rewards like upkeep benefits and stuff for completing their own goals such as 'wipe out this allied factions army' or 'raid near your capital for two turns' just to kind've highlight how much of a pack of backstabbing footshooting morons they are.
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Nov 13, 2018 07:30
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Panfilo posted:Dwarves could get a badly needed overhaul of their grudge system which might require you to strike out grudges the other Clans have. Maybe have each grudge be a randomly generated battle against a random enemy race with the difficulty scaling to how large/powerful the clan is. If you win, you can confederate them.
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Nov 13, 2018 08:03
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I'd be down for that but only if the randomly generated enemies were memestacks with very unorthodox compositions such as three full armies of skavenslaves or a hill full of artillary pieces that prey on your dwarfy inability to move.
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Nov 13, 2018 08:13
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SirPhoebos posted:1. Kill your lizardman neighbor. His landmark is too good to ignore (and it's really hard to confed him) taking over the queek province was the final hump.
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Nov 13, 2018 08:39
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Seriously though, the Empire needs to be the next faction overhauled.
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Nov 13, 2018 08:47
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It would be silly not to add the landship now
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Nov 13, 2018 08:51
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Krazyface posted:Seriously though, the Empire needs to be the next faction overhauled. It's kind of ludicrous how the Empire has gone the longest of any faction without any sort of major mechanics overhauls, honestly.
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Nov 13, 2018 09:28
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Empire is always the best and coolest race because no one until Noctilus had a fabulous floppy hat. The closest thing was Morathi's hair, I guess.
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Nov 13, 2018 10:57
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Y'all wanna see a Pyrrhic Victory? Gotta say, this lad changed my tune on gunnery wights pretty fuckin quickly.
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Nov 13, 2018 12:42
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Is there a list of traits you get for killing the Vampirate LLs, and for killing Lokhir?
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Nov 13, 2018 12:44
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I probably should stop running two Gunnery Wights, they're not like Dwarf Master Engineers or Skaven Warlock Engineers in that they can stack big bonuses to ranged units just by being in the army. A Vampire Captain for spells or a free slot for RoRs (hello flamethrower Necrofex) or a Bloated Corpse is probably the better idea.
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Nov 13, 2018 12:48
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One gunnywight is usually sufficient. Put 'em on a crab and they can fite poo poo in most contexts
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Nov 13, 2018 12:54
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Re: deck gunners I’m running 6 handgunners and they took down the star dragon from the second sea shanty verse fight before it could hit the line. Later, I did the norsca fight with 3 feral mammoths and a giant, each took ~2 volleys to delete. Are deck gunners really better than that? They certainly seem good, but I’m thinking they’re only worth it for shield breaker against stuff like lothern sea guard.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:35
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Deck Gunners have a crazy range. They don't have the super-impressive PRESS DELETE that you can get with handgun mobs, but they're remarkably consistent and they're gonna usually kill more because they've been blasting away for a lot longer. FWIW I tend to pack both in each stack, if I can. Gunners get higher kill counts, but handgun mobs can ruin the morale of charging units and force routs a lot more effectively.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:37
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Deck gunners have a lot more range, they’re basically more mobile artillery and vital for fighting Wood Elves.
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Chakan posted:Re: deck gunners Put it this way: by the time a large target gets in range of your zombie handgunners, an accompanying Deck Gunner squad will have taken off maybe a third or so of its health, making your handgun volleys much more decisive and leading to either quicker routs and or even kills. It's not a matter of replacing, but complementing the gunline. Also a good thing about Deck Gunners is that they won't consume as much space as a zombie mob, meaning that you get a fair bit more flexibility in positioning. In addition, their fantastic range really does make them a perfect fit for your flanks, since they can shoot incoming cavalry far earlier than a handgun mob can (and their guns are pretty much built for killing big targets thanks to high base damage). Afterwards, they can easily sweep fire to the front without moving too much.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:41
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toasterwarrior posted:Put it this way: by the time a large target gets in range of your zombie handgunners, an accompanying Deck Gunner squad will have taken off maybe a third or so of its health, making your handgun volleys much more decisive and leading to either quicker routs and or even kills. It's not a matter of replacing, but complementing the gunline.
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Nov 13, 2018 13:49
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In case anyone didn't know, you can disable skirmish mode by default in the Options menu
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Nov 13, 2018 14:59
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Kanos posted:It's kind of ludicrous how the Empire has gone the longest of any faction without any sort of major mechanics overhauls, honestly. I feel like they are saving Empire for last or until they know they have something really solid considering most players play Empire, something that is going to last you know. Personally I'm hoping the next big patch will contain Greenskins overhaul, they are just at the very bottom right now. The waaaghs, their tech, it all just pales when you compare to the new stuff.
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I want to finally win a vortex campaign, and I also wanna play as high elves, because being a big economic powerhouse seems neat. I played 10 turns as each LL, and I now report back. TYRION pros: lothern seems like a good rear end start, and ulthuan's provinces all look rad he tanked 4 units of bleakswords on his own cons: it feels weird to murder all the elves in order to save them he is an extremely generic sword man TECLIS pros: only lv 1 wizard i've seen who can contribute a fuckton i get to team up with my pal khalida cons: his phoenix sucks i don't get those juicy ulthuan landmarks ALARIELLE pros: inner ulthuan seems like the most defensible place in the universe i get to play with wood elf units without owning them cons: it feels REALLY weird to have the queen of elves murder her way through the island my only hostile neighbour is all unpleasant terrain ALITH pros: i have never done anything in naggaroth so it's All New i like the idea of skirmisher-based armies cons: too dark and edgy to live on ulthuan in practice skirmish armies keep on being killed when they run in front of 2000 archers Please help me decide. I am weak of will and mind.
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Nov 13, 2018 15:02
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If you want to win with the least amount of hassle, Tyrion. Also because one of the cons you listed is actually a pro (murdering elves).
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Elswyyr posted:I want to finally win a vortex campaign, and I also wanna play as high elves, because being a big economic powerhouse seems neat. I played 10 turns as each LL, and I now report back. Elf on Elf violence is a known problem (or not if you're a dawi fan I guess). But you don't need to engage in too much of it if you don't want to. Pick Tyrion, his opinion bonus with fellow high elves really helps. You only need to murder those high elves that are immediately hostile to you (Caledor first and foremost, if only for the waystone fragments.), peace out all the rest. Remember that doing Vortex rituals gives you an increasing opinion bonus with other members of your race. Combined with Tyrion's natural bonus, it's not that difficult to make most other high elves love you. Then just confederate them one after another. Keep yourself busy with killing dark elves on Ulthuan. And be proactive about the Vampirate threat, don't forget that the Norscans will come for you at some point, and consider sacking parts of Naggaroth if you have time. It's better to be relatively compact when doing Vortex rituals, so don't bother expanding outside of Ulthuan too much. Also, you can make mad cash through trading, consider letting some of the minor high elves live to serve as trading partners and meat shields.
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Since we're talking about High Elves, specifically Alarielle (i want to try a game with her), any suggestions on a effective army comp with her? I tried to do what i do with Dark Elves currently which is have a strong frontline of like 6-9 whip sisters with massed Shades behind them taking out exposed targets and targeting those that break to ensure they stay gone, then sprinkle with some anti large, maybe some heroes. But this didn't seem to work as well in testing with Alarielle cause the shield guys with spears & bows didn't have the staying power or the damage potential of the whip sisters and the magical arrow fellows that Alarielle gets can't seem to compete with Shades, plus no "casualties? well now im REALLY ANGRY" skill to break the stalemates.
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Doing a Vlad run to check out the new blood smooches, and Sartosa has apparently decided to become a land-nation by slowly eating up the Border Prince territories. I didn't even notice it happening till I saw a Mourngul Haunter lurking around a Border Prince-repurposed dwarf hold. The entire campaign has been pretty fun so far actually, the Greenskins own the entirety of the Badlands and a slice of the Empire so I'm trying to decide if I want to get into a fight with that juggernaut of green now or after I devour The Empire's lands. Maybe I can convince a fine peg-legged lady to help me out.
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Dongattack posted:Since we're talking about High Elves, specifically Alarielle (i want to try a game with her), any suggestions on a effective army comp with her? I tried to do what i do with Dark Elves currently which is have a strong frontline of like 6-9 whip sisters with massed Shades behind them taking out exposed targets and targeting those that break to ensure they stay gone, then sprinkle with some anti large, maybe some heroes. Sisters of Avelorn are absolutely brutal. What I did was work my way up to having a few treekin + assorted infantry (eventually elite) for a front line with Sisters in back and some cav or whatever. Treekin are super tanky and good targets for Alarielle's healing spells, plus there's enough space between them you can have infantry fighting alongside. The only drawback to this is the arrows from Sisters dunk on treekin really hard, so be careful of friendly fire. You'll want at least one Handmaiden for the ranged buffs but the basic end-game goal is treekin + elite infantry front line backed by Sisters probably with a bolt thrower, a couple cav, a dragon, whatevs. You're right that Sea Guard aren't very killy, they mostly exist to be supremely annoying when the AI puts ten of them in a stack. I've found one on each flank as counter-flankers to be pretty effective, they can shoot up anything trying to sneak around to your rear (especially light cav) and eat a charge ok.
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Dongattack posted:Since we're talking about High Elves, specifically Alarielle (i want to try a game with her), any suggestions on a effective army comp with her? I tried to do what i do with Dark Elves currently which is have a strong frontline of like 6-9 whip sisters with massed Shades behind them taking out exposed targets and targeting those that break to ensure they stay gone, then sprinkle with some anti large, maybe some heroes. Seaguard are a worse frontline that basic spearmen. They'll get a few shots off as an enemy closes, but once they're in melee they're equal to spearmen except they only have two thirds of the units (and hence health). Can be funny to just to have a full stack pouring out arrows though. The sisters of averlorn are great versus high armour does, preferably with no shields. They do good ap damage.
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Nov 13, 2018 16:19
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what happened to my save games? did anyone else's disappear?
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Nov 13, 2018 17:40
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I've been seeing a huge shakeup of territory control since the new factions came out. Kemmler also manages to be a pretty huge pest in his starting region too. While it is unique to them right now, I think the 'boat' mechanic should also be given to a few other Lords, albeit more limited (only they get it): -Lokhir should definitely get one, since it makes no sense to have a Black Ark tagging along, he should BE the Black Ark assuming he isn't already. -Wulfrik the Wanderer should get Seafang as a 'horde' ship as well, to encourage the player to go after the various capitals to get global bonuses via research unlocks.
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Nov 13, 2018 17:55
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Panfilo posted:I've been seeing a huge shakeup of territory control since the new factions came out. Kemmler also manages to be a pretty huge pest in his starting region too. I'd love to see it as a mechanic for Lokhir, Wulfrik, and maybe even Alberic.
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Elswyyr posted:I want to finally win a vortex campaign, and I also wanna play as high elves, because being a big economic powerhouse seems neat. I played 10 turns as each LL, and I now report back. If it helps, think of the High Elves like Greek city-states. They are theoretically united against foreign threats, but if there is nothing directly threatening Ulthuan, they will immediately revert to their internal bickering and line up poking each other with spears in an orderly and polite way.
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