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SEED not fitting is even weirder considering most of the other shows sort of mesh well. Like Layzner, Tekkaman Blade and Nadesico worked really well together, even with Voltes V since it also ties into "My family is my enemy". It's probably not true but it kind of feels like SEED got sort of shoved right in there because it was popular like when it appeared in Alpha 3.
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SEED only really works in a SRW context if it's the only Gundam in it's setting, indeed it pretty much has to be the only Real Robot series in it, and any Super Robot series sharing a setting with it better be able to gel with SEED's technobabble Basically it becomes obvious why original SEED only got used 3 times and why Destiny is often post series, it fits terribly in SRW scenarios
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 05:55 |
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Tribladeofchaos posted:SEED not fitting is even weirder considering most of the other shows sort of mesh well. Like Layzner, Tekkaman Blade and Nadesico worked really well together, even with Voltes V since it also ties into "My family is my enemy". Probably was the case actually, remember J came out only a couple months after Alpha 3
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 05:57 |
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Same reason why the OYW is actually really difficult to use in a SRW. Or at least it used to be. Nowadays there are 500 different prototype Gundams being developed in secret at the same time, what's a couple dozen more.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 05:58 |
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drrockso20 posted:SEED only really works in a SRW context if it's the only Gundam in it's setting, indeed it pretty much has to be the only Real Robot series in it, and any Super Robot series sharing a setting with it better be able to gel with SEED's technobabble
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 06:17 |
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Pureauthor posted:Same reason why the OYW is actually really difficult to use in a SRW. Wing and G would fit nicely. Gundam fights + Operation Meteor, Devil Gundam is a weapon wanted to be brought under control by OZ. Match made in heaven
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 06:22 |
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Pureauthor posted:Same reason why the OYW is actually really difficult to use in a SRW. The main thing with OYW Gundam is that you'd want to avoid having anything UC past 0083 in it, and pretty much all AU series as well, as well as avoid any Real Robot series that are blatantly more advanced than it(so stuff like Macross) So you'd be somewhat limited, but not too much so if you get creative
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 06:27 |
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drrockso20 posted:The main thing with OYW Gundam is that you'd want to avoid having anything UC past 0083 in it, and pretty much all AU series as well, as well as avoid any Real Robot series that are blatantly more advanced than it(so stuff like Macross) It wouldn't be that tough. Use the OYW Gundam series (MSG, 08th MS Team, Thunderbolt, War in the Pocket), then fill in the cast with Real Robot shows like Full Metal Panic!, Patlabor, and VOTOMS. You could also add in Tekkaman Blade, Fafnir in the Azure or Dunbine pretty easily. If you could figure out some way to have a OYW story and Xabungle at the same time you could also slot them in Zore fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Nov 27, 2018 |
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Zore posted:It wouldn't be that tough. Personally I feel instead it would make more sense to only have a couple other Real Robot series besides the OYW era Gundams, and instead have the roster be Super Robot dominant outside of Gundam Unless said Real Robots are magical and/or alien/other dimensional in origin that is
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 09:57 |
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drrockso20 posted:Personally I feel instead it would make more sense to only have a couple other Real Robot series besides the OYW era Gundams, and instead have the roster be Super Robot dominant outside of Gundam Super Robots are fine because ya know, Super Robot Wars, the entire point is mass production capability. You can't make a billion Mazinger. It's expensive, you need a very specific person to pilot it, even if you could, it's civilian-owned, and Dr. Hell getting his hands on Photon Energy is enough of a risk to NOT put it in everything. You just gotta make the Gundam's animations more impactful, make the beam rifle like the way Shin Mazinger made the Photon Beam, this huge burst of energy that shakes the atmosphere.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 10:21 |
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Honestly, Gundam could fit in with other, fancier real robots just by sticking it with the niche that Mobile Suits are real good in space.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 12:35 |
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When was the last time OYW shows up in a SRW game? Operation Extend? And even then, they're mashing in CCA and almost everything leading up to it because I guess people would be upset if Amuro didn't get the Nu Gundam at some point. Personally, I'd like to see them try and do the OYW without having to hit Zeta and later at some point or incorporate an AU Gundam series, but it'd be difficult to convince people that it would be impressive or whatever. Maybe do a "beam weapons matter" thing, I dunno. When was the last time having the "beam" property on a weapon actually mattered?
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 12:52 |
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Mercury Crusader posted:When was the last time OYW shows up in a SRW game? Operation Extend? And even then, they're mashing in CCA and almost everything leading up to it because I guess people would be upset if Amuro didn't get the Nu Gundam at some point. Pretty sure Moon Dwellers had an ability combo to reduce beam damage or something...but that's really it.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 13:07 |
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Beams matter in OGs because water stages exist and a bunch of the mechs have Beam Coats so they reduce only beam damage. Well, that and Shu and Volkruss' Beam Absorb because those guys are rude. The only time it matters in regular titles is the SEED armour reducing everything except beams, when you get to put Sandrock in a puddle and the occasional I-Field. And yeah, they could make the Gundam feel super powerful like with Shin Mazinger's photon beam. OYW stuff, Votoms, FMP and then like Patlabor/Layzner hanging out could work for the real series side of things.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 19:04 |
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Code Geass S1 would work with the OYW too I'd say. R2, not so much, but.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 19:20 |
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If we do a OYW game we could finally have a reason to debut Argevollen.Endorph posted:Code Geass S1 would work with the OYW too I'd say. R2, not so much, but.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 19:22 |
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Do a new trilogy based on multiple generations (That is, we follow an OG family through three generations). First one has OYW and things that fit that. Second one has Mid-UC from Zeta to Char's Counter-Attack. Third and last one has Late UC from Unicorn to Victory (and maybe Gaia Gear or G-Saviour). There's a lot of shows that work with that set-up too.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 19:36 |
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https://www.dualshockers.com/super-robot-wars-t-gets-new-details-on-story-series-list-explanation/quote:As said on stream, a lot of effort is required to make G Gundam and GaoGaiGar units look good, so they usually never appear together. They put in both this time because they managed to handle that problem, and also because both shows are very popular outside Japan.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 19:41 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:Do a new trilogy based on multiple generations (That is, we follow an OG family through three generations). OYW 0083/Zeta/ZZ/CCA Unicorn/F91/Crossbone/Victory Turn-A/G-Reco/(Maybe Gaia Gear too? Idk much about it) Tbh I wish we somehow tie it into Age to do that whole story too (And to "fix it"), with maybe Gen 1 starting in the Zeta era.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 19:44 |
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KoB posted:https://www.dualshockers.com/super-robot-wars-t-gets-new-details-on-story-series-list-explanation/ Could have tossed Big O in there for even more western pandering though.
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KoB posted:https://www.dualshockers.com/super-robot-wars-t-gets-new-details-on-story-series-list-explanation/ Oh poo poo we’re actually being pandered to! Makes me sad japan doesn’t seem to care about GGG though, and I remember G Gundam is usually at the bottom of popularity polls there.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 20:06 |
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MonsieurChoc posted:There's a lot of shows that work with that set-up too. Excited to see Gundam Age once more.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 20:11 |
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Have to pander to overseas since video game sales are worse every un Japan, arent they? How the gently caress do they not like GGG, ya tasteless bastards Also PLEEAAAASE give us a Hell and Heaven Burning Finger duo attack
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 20:13 |
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Is it like common Mecha knowledge that Japan dislikes GGG or something? Because I can’t see that in the article.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 20:20 |
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Dragonar would work in a OYW game too wouldn't it?
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 20:24 |
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Justin_Brett posted:Dragonar would work in a OYW game too wouldn't it? I think it probably works better in Zeta era just for all the flight tech
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 20:26 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Is it like common Mecha knowledge that Japan dislikes GGG or something? Because I can’t see that in the article. It doesn't really have that legacy in Japan, it's just another Super Robot anime and the only real noteworthy thing about it is being the last of the Brave series, but the Brave series was never jaw-droppingly successful. GaoGaiGar's known enough to get shoutouts and merchandise sometimes, but it's not something that even an average mecha fan would have much memory of, you'd have to be pretty deep in (or pretty old) to be into it.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 21:41 |
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Is it like common Mecha knowledge that Japan dislikes GGG or something? Because I can’t see that in the article.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 21:43 |
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It's worth noting that GGG got a sequel OVA, a spinoff TV anime and in more recent years a series of sequel novels so presumably it had some level of success in Japan.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 21:59 |
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I really cannot imagine English speaking overseas sales are still much of anything in the grand scheme of things? I still find this direction really strange if it's really targeting the west.
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AradoBalanga posted:Not that I can recall. J is basically "Here's the Cosmic Era plus some new series, but with very little effort to create cohesion between the featured series outside of a few spots". It gets even more when you recall that SEED puts a big emphasis on nuclear power being kneecapped, but the G-Gundam cast (whose Gundams are powered by nuclear reactors) can fly around perfectly fine without being affected by the Neutron Jammers. Which gives a boost to a theory about SEED's tech I've come across; the jammers only affect nuclear fission, but do gently caress all to prevent nuclear fusion (aka, the usual reactor power source for most Gundam series). Then again, the show's staff have allegedly deflected questions related to explaining how in-universe technology works, so...yeah, it doesn't surprise me that SEED has inconsistent technobabble. Also Burrstone of the Mountain from Zeorymer exists in it, the robot who's weapon is literally firing a bunch of nukes at you.
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Tribladeofchaos posted:Oh poo poo we’re actually being pandered to! Makes me sad japan doesn’t seem to care about GGG though, and I remember G Gundam is usually at the bottom of popularity polls there. Nowhere close to the bottom. The recent big Gundam poll had it in eighth, between Wing and Unicorn. Several characters and suit designs also made their lists, including Master Asia as the 13th most popular character. While it's not at Zeta or SEED levels of popularity, there's a lot of love for it around. Probably more then when it first came out in a lot of ways, since now it can be the fun oddball of the franchise, instead of making people worry that the grim war setting are gone for good in favor of more super robot stuff. The bottom of the poll is Igloo 2: The Gravity Front, but AGE, Try, and G-Reco are also down there. If you want to see a real gap in reception, though, you can look at Thunderbolt. US Gundam discussions tend to like it a lot, while in the Japanese rankings, it's down below double Zeta and the TV cut of Unicorn.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 22:33 |
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Jesus. I can’t imagine the kind of fury you’d get telling a Western Gundam fan that Turn A is only one slot above Destiny. Wtf are you doing down there Best Gundam Ever AKA Build Fighters? Edit: I remember a smug Gundam fan telling me this stupid urban legend about the Seed/Destiny staff begging Tomino to help with the plot only for him to say ‘Go watch Turn A’
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 22:44 |
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Rascyc posted:I really cannot imagine English speaking overseas sales are still much of anything in the grand scheme of things? I still find this direction really strange if it's really targeting the west. I mean, they're paying for English localization for the third year in a row (I have to assume MD was localized on the dirt cheap, if not somehow in-house, but I'd be surprised if T went back to that after all this). It may not be a lot, but neither is SRW in general - foreign sales are at least pulling enough weight to justify themselves.
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Getsuya posted:Jesus. I can’t imagine the kind of fury you’d get telling a Western Gundam fan that Turn A is only one slot above Destiny. That does sound stupid. Especially considering how things stood at the time. Turn A wasn't Gundam's biggest flop ever, but it wasn't exactly a smash success. Meanwhile, SEED was a big enough success that the rumors say Bandai was considering having it replace the UC as the main Gundam setting, and Destiny drew record ratings early on. I mean, I like seeing Anno poo poo-talk SEED in the intro to The Origin as much as the next guy, but facts are facts. (Also, that doesn't sound much like Tomino anyway, considering how self-effacing he tends to be in interviews.)
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 23:17 |
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The only other urban legend I heard about Gundam was some crazed Japanese fan tried to run Tomino down with a moped screaming 'JETSTREAM ATTACK!' due to some dumb minute change made to the Z movies or something.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 23:27 |
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chiasaur11 posted:Nowhere close to the bottom. The recent big Gundam poll had it in eighth, between Wing and Unicorn. Several characters and suit designs also made their lists, including Master Asia as the 13th most popular character. While it's not at Zeta or SEED levels of popularity, there's a lot of love for it around. Probably more then when it first came out in a lot of ways, since now it can be the fun oddball of the franchise, instead of making people worry that the grim war setting are gone for good in favor of more super robot stuff. I remember reading G-Reco was popular with kids and grandmas instead of "normal" Gundam fans.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 23:36 |
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chiasaur11 posted:Nowhere close to the bottom. The recent big Gundam poll had it in eighth, between Wing and Unicorn. Several characters and suit designs also made their lists, including Master Asia as the 13th most popular character. While it's not at Zeta or SEED levels of popularity, there's a lot of love for it around. Probably more then when it first came out in a lot of ways, since now it can be the fun oddball of the franchise, instead of making people worry that the grim war setting are gone for good in favor of more super robot stuff. Good point, the last time i checked was before AGE came out and it was hovering pretty low. At least both western and japanese fans can agree AGE is horrible.
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# ? Nov 27, 2018 23:42 |
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Rascyc posted:I really cannot imagine English speaking overseas sales are still much of anything in the grand scheme of things? I still find this direction really strange if it's really targeting the west. even in the best years SRW was only selling like 3-400,000 copies (excluding the PS2 era). Its a niche of a niche in a small country. Bamco has had a ton of success bringing over niche titles in other series and I bet its successful here as well. Even an additional 100k would be loving huge for SRW. hitting Asia/Europe/US would target at least the hard core fans in those areas and having the games actually be in english brings in those non-crazies who wouldnt drop money on a game they cant read. even here on our dying goof forum we occasionally get people coming in here curious because theyre finally kind of available for regular people.
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Getsuya posted:The only other urban legend I heard about Gundam was some crazed Japanese fan tried to run Tomino down with a moped screaming 'JETSTREAM ATTACK!' due to some dumb minute change made to the Z movies or something.
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