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Murmur Twin posted:Also, if you die and flip town, it’d confirm KB as either town himself or deathproof (and thus almost certainly town because that’d be broken for scum or SK) How does me flipping town clear KB in any way shape or form?????
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:22 |
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SalTheBard posted:How does me flipping town clear KB in any way shape or form????? Uhh doesn’t your vig only kill people that share your alignment?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:23 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Uhh doesn’t your vig only kill people that don’t share your alignment? Mafia edit
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:24 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Uhh doesn’t your vig only kill people that share your alignment? Unless they're totally deathproof in which case it proves nothing, obviously. You should know this.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:24 |
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Rhjamiz posted:Unless they're totally deathproof in which case it proves nothing, obviously. You should know this. Deathproof what? Scum? SK? How could town possibly win a game where those roles exist?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:25 |
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People thinking Sal flipping town clears KB are sus as gently caress.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:25 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Deathproof what? Scum? SK? This is CYOR I'm not assuming anything about balance.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:26 |
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Rhjamiz posted:People thinking Sal flipping town clears KB are sus as gently caress. I promise you I’m a survivor and expect to be voted (without a fight from me) if town is anywhere near LYLO. What part of what I’m saying is wrong?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:27 |
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Rhjamiz posted:This is CYOR I'm not assuming anything about balance. Ok so tell me why a scum KB would claim deathproof instead of letting Sal’s role give him a town result?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:27 |
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Murmur Twin posted:I promise you I’m a survivor and expect to be voted (without a fight from me) if town is anywhere near LYLO. The part where you think a claimed deathproof person is cleared because they didn't die.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:28 |
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Rhjamiz posted:The part where you think a claimed deathproof person is cleared because they didn't die. We can agree to disagree on that I think.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:28 |
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Murmur Twin posted:Ok so tell me why a scum KB would claim deathproof instead of letting Sal’s role give him a town result? No idea. If I were to borrow KB's own logic, because doing so makes you think he's torn, so it's the perfect scum play. But I don't believe that. I just don't believe it clears him, either.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:29 |
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Torn = town
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:29 |
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Rhjamiz posted:People thinking Sal flipping town clears KB are sus as gently caress.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:32 |
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Rhjamiz posted:No idea. If I were to borrow KB's own logic, because doing so makes you think he's torn, so it's the perfect scum play. What are your opinions of my other two main arguments? Which again is 1 - he accidentally said something that scum knew, but town didn’t (that I was mason’ed with pera). If that’s not a scumslip it’s a hell of a coincidence 2 - read his d2 and d3 content about his role. Do you think a town Sal has he wherewithal to lie about his role (complete with “I’m so mad I have no vig, which is why I’m checked out a bit”) on d2 despite being so frustrated he’s self-voting?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:34 |
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The fact that I confused two P names isn't a surprise. It's my classic "post in a hurry without double checking" thing that has been a signature move. I was upset more about the scum push on me, but I'm always thinking "what if? what if?" so of course I'm going to lie about having a juggernaut vig. I don't want to give scum a reason to push me even harder than they already were, and if I make it to the night I want to have it in my pocket to use without being roleblocked or whatever sort of bullshit exists in a game with random unlimited dayvigs.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:48 |
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Murmur Twin posted:What are your opinions of my other two main arguments? Which again is 1 is the only thing that actually looks scummy to me. 2 I don't see why not? People harping on Sal not fully revealing his role when it definitely is something scum would kill over as if town doesn't routinely do this in every game with roles.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:52 |
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I want a roll call of everyone who thinks Sal is today's best lynch option
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:54 |
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SalTheBard posted:The fact that I confused two P names isn't a surprise. It's my classic "post in a hurry without double checking" thing that has been a signature move. Why lie instead of saying “hey townies, I have a one-shot brutal cop and I think you should give me a chance to use it before you execute me”? And why throw in the part about how it was making the game hard for you to follow - that was just a total fabrication, correct? Do you at least see how it makes sense to be skeptical of someone who has openly lied? Like I feel like you seem to think that it’s completely unreasonable for people to be suspicious of you, which doesn’t seem fair to me.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 16:59 |
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Rhjamiz posted:I want a roll call of everyone who thinks Sal is today's best lynch option
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:00 |
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Why would I say that and have a chance for it to be redirected?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:03 |
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SalTheBard posted:Like I said I wasn't very creative (which I think is part of why I'm a little "meh" on this game, because my big moment to Giga Drill Break someone was over in the first hour the game was open. This is the part that I just really don’t think town Sal would ever say.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:04 |
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Murmur Twin posted:This is the part that I just really don’t think town Sal would ever say. At the time I thought it was true because I assumed I was getting cuddled
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:08 |
OK here is something we can all chew on right now as well. I am absolutely not going to comment on every single vote, but it is worth it to go through this and see what was happening. I'm starting with where the train picked up, in my mind, with the sal v. b- vote.King Burgundy posted:Agreed. If he ever becomes part of the game, he's near the top of my list. Pressure vote. Bifauxnen posted:What a strong effort, Yami-san! I'm feeling a little better about you now. Pressure Vote peramene posted:
SalTheBard posted:##vote KB No surprise here SalTheBard posted:
Yami Fenrir posted:Continuation of thoughts: This is an interesting vote, it's one of the few votes during this time that goes against the sal / b- grain. I haven't seen much from Yami this game day, so I'd want more from them on the current situation, but worth keeping this vote in mind going forward. Murmur Twin posted:I feel like if Sal were town, the natural assumption here would be that KB is scum trying to drive a mislynch on him. The fact that he bypasses that train of thought and goes with "I'm not sure why" followed by talking about how being cased made him feel (instead of being suspicious of it) screams scum mindset to me. This vote comes before Nat20 makes his case in defense of Sal, so I get what MMT is saying here but it assumes absolute logic on Sal's part, and not the emotional play that he usually displays. Rhjamiz posted:ugh. loving phones. First one on b- b-minus1 posted:You seem awfully interested in the identity of the other person that visited pod. I wonder why b- very much wants KB dead, and will continue this refrain for the rest of the day. SalTheBard posted:I'm going to go with B- here since it seems like my only avenue of getting it of this day alive and ##vote kb If sal flips scum, we can look back at this and probably surmise that the scum team thinks KB is an SK at this moment. Had it come out yet that he was deathproof on Day 2? SalTheBard posted:##unvote Natural 20 posted:##vote b-minus Another early vote on b-. Yami Fenrir posted:After collecting my thoughts, the people I'd be willing to vote today would be B- and Sal, in that order. Yami gets with the popular crowd but doesn't break for Sal, and instead goes for b-. SalTheBard posted:##vote B- probably a survival vote. peramene posted:
I don't understand why this happened. SalTheBard posted:Scum team I'm imploring you to just go ahead and hammer me. chaoslord posted:“I’ve been playing a super scummy game, why does anyone think I’m not town?” - Sal, probably I pointed this one out before. Given b-'s flip, I'm not a fan of this vote Kitiara posted:Alright. I just woke up, got to work and caught up. Same with this one. SalTheBard posted:You are like the 2nd or 3rd person that's said "Would vote B-" but then votes for me. If you are ok with killing B- first commit to B- Survival vote SalTheBard posted:B- if you aren't voting me, I won't vote you. Again, curious. jimmydalad posted:If I do need to choose between the two, I feel like Sal is playing an emotional town game. Though some of the stuff is raising my eyebrows, I feel like I want to trust his emotional-ness, which I know is slightly hilarious coming from the person that did the Grad School Mafia thing. It's unfortunate jimmy left because I think this was the pivotal vote. King Burgundy posted:Hmmm. Here is where the levee breaks and votes rain down upon b- Murmur Twin posted:Actually I kinda agree. Another one Kitiara posted:This is fair, but like I said I was mostly basing it on the fact that B- had a. a more useful role to town and b. a role we could verify. Final Hammer. Gonna post my thoughts in a different post.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:13 |
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Rhjamiz posted:I want a roll call of everyone who thinks Sal is today's best lynch option I’ll say with diplo, the other game I was in that just ended, and the really long out deadline in this game, I have been more skimming than anything so far this day, but he is my top pick for scum. Need to go read Yami at some point, that’ll probably be tomorrow morning.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:18 |
I see what KB is saying about the way b- and Sal were interacting with each other, and I'd be a lot happier to believe that this was a scum v scum vote if b- and Sal were going for each other's jugular. That they both jumped on and off of each other and pushed for KB at one point gives me pause. Either Sal has such a super awesome role that b- simply could not let that one go, or this day has been exactly what b- wanted to happen with him saying that he won't vote Sal, and we're just playing right into his hands. I don't know that you could claim scum were controlling that vote the other day, because reading it is unclear who is going to be the lunch between sal and b-. The situation feels too chaotic and reactive to imagine scum trying to really control that vote. At this point, it will be really useful to flip Sal because it can inform some of the early votes that came in on b-. Where they alternative votes for someone people found more scummy (Let's be real, b-'s claim and scrambling around that topic was bad.) or were they votes meant to push things off of Sal because he is actually scum and has a super awesome power. I think there is no way in high heaven that KB is scum with b-. Someone will have to remind me when exactly his death proof claim came out. Other things to tldr and look back on if we flip Sal today: pera's unvote and disappearing act, Yami voting for pera, Clord and Kit's vote on Sal around the mid point of the votes before things became clear that it was definitely going to be b-. Apologies for any mistakes, it was hard to sort through the spoiler text.
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Murmur Twin posted:What are your opinions of my other two main arguments? Which again is Outside of how b- and sal interacted, this is the most cogent argument for a scum Sal that I've seen.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:26 |
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Max posted:this day has been exactly what b- wanted to happen with him saying that he won't vote Sal, and we're just playing right into his hands.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:28 |
Hey Sal, I know this is frustrating and I've been in your position before, but I'm trying to re-engage with you here. If you have nothing else to add that is fine too.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:31 |
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I'm agreeing your point
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:32 |
Yes I am more talking about the general tone of today.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:33 |
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I've typed about 4 posts and delete them. I'm loving pissed at this game I really am. I'm not pissed at anyone person in particular because the scum team decided it's my turn to get got and they are pushing me. It's the name of the game. When I see the scum doc I will evaluate how I think I played and how others played. I know my biggest problem is I play with my heart and not my head. I make mistakes (not double checking who MMT declared mason partner was) and that gives people scum reads. It's whatever at this point. So yeah thank you for the great game. It was really fun getting to create a role, next time I'm just going to create unlimited random dayvigs and go ham.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:52 |
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I'm leaving my vote on KB. When town wakes the gently caress up, I hope you join me.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:53 |
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Max posted:KB, a lot of your posting completely and utterly assumes that Sal is flipping scum. What changes, in your mind, if he flips town instead? For one thing, it would help me think Nat20 is for real town instead of being suspicious that something is wrong with the results. That would be a pretty major change. It would also make me WAY more suspicious of Bif and Chaos, two people who right now I feel very good about due to sharing my opinion.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:56 |
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SalTheBard posted:I'm leaving my vote on KB. When town wakes the gently caress up, I hope you join me. So you disagree with Max's analysis?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:56 |
Yeah whatever your feelings on KB, I seriously doubt b- is his scum buddy.King Burgundy posted:For one thing, it would help me think Nat20 is for real town instead of being suspicious that something is wrong with the results. That would be a pretty major change. Thanks!
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:58 |
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Nothing short of Asiina themself coming into this game and posting your role pm would change my mind
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:59 |
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Rhjamiz posted:I want a roll call of everyone who thinks Sal is today's best lynch option I'll comment on this since I've been pushing him. He's my real, playing mafia vote, my strongest scum read. But I'm not sure he's the best actual vote, since the result I have to share is probably the better option?
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 17:59 |
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SalTheBard posted:Nothing short of Asiina themself coming into this game and posting your role pm would change my mind Great, so now you understand how I feel.
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 18:00 |
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The difference is you and your scumbros airway know my alignment
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# ? Dec 7, 2018 18:02 |