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Rockman Reserve
Oct 2, 2007

"Carbons? Purge? What are you talking about?!"

Len posted:

I don't understand turning off Final Smash because it feels like turning off fatalities.

Yes I know it's not the same but it's weird and I can't explain why

Fatalities are gloating done after a match is already decided, Final Smashes are powerful attacks that nonetheless vary a ton both in usefulness, range, whatever - the fact is that with some characters a Final Smash is likely to clear the screen, whereas with others you're lucky to get a single KO, all based on an item drop.

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AlphaKretin
Dec 25, 2014

A vase to face encounter.

...Vase to meet you?

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GARVASE DAY!

Ugly In The Morning posted:

My problem with final smash is that it fucks with the momentum of the match for what feels like way too long. Or at least it did in Brawl, haven’t played Smash since then. Totally getting a switch and ultimate on my next check though

As far as I know, though I don't have Ultimate for myself yet and don't remember much of Smash 4, there are no more Final Smashes that transform the character for like a minute, they're all just one-and-done super attacks.

Also there's a game setting to make Final Smashes charge up like a super meter, instead of (well, in addition to, but you can disable the item) the randomess of Smash Balls.

Vic
Nov 26, 2009

malae fidei cum XI_XXVI_MMIX
The fact that I understand nothing being discussed here while not understanding anything happening on the screen I'm holding makes me want to Smash my Balls

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


food court bailiff posted:

Fatalities are gloating done after a match is already decided, Final Smashes are powerful attacks that nonetheless vary a ton both in usefulness, range, whatever - the fact is that with some characters a Final Smash is likely to clear the screen, whereas with others you're lucky to get a single KO, all based on an item drop.

Yeah it's absolutely not an exact comparison. I just don't know why but turning off final smashes always irritated me for some reason in Brawl. It's like turning off items or fun obstacle filled arenas. It just feels wrong.

But that comes down to personal opinion

Deified Data
Nov 3, 2015


Fun Shoe

Vic posted:

The fact that I understand nothing being discussed here while not understanding anything happening on the screen I'm holding makes me want to Smash my Balls

hold on for a bit I'll download after work and we can be confused together

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

food court bailiff posted:

Fatalities are gloating done after a match is already decided, Final Smashes are powerful attacks that nonetheless vary a ton both in usefulness, range, whatever - the fact is that with some characters a Final Smash is likely to clear the screen, whereas with others you're lucky to get a single KO, all based on an item drop.

Final Smashes are a designed part of a character and part of their balance, though, so not including them skews things. In Brawl, for example, Meta-Knight's FS was basically useless because that was one of the counterbalances for his kit being so good. Without Final Smashes, though, he just ends up better for it, because he didn't get much from it anyway.

The FS meter works really well so it's not actually luck-based, but also yeah, FSes have been normalized a ton in Ultimate so nobody's is crazy good or bad.

DMorbid
Jan 6, 2011

With our special guest star, RUSH! YAYYYYYYYYY

Speaking of Fatalities, I don't give a poo poo about them at this point and never do them after maybe seeing them once. They were fun back in the day because there weren't many games doing that kind of stuff (and even fewer of those were good) and because they looked so hokey with the digitized graphics and bright red pixelated blood. Now it's all dark and gritty and desaturated and you get to see the opponent struggle for their life and every overly prolonged animation is presented at a surgical level of detail (this is probably how the fatalities in the original games looked to our parents at the time :v:), and after ten games plus a million rereleases/spinoffs I just don't care anymore, I just want to get to the next fight and lose to the next online player.

I liked how MKX did Brutalities, though, by making them into these crazy death blows that end the match immediately.

Oblique Angle
Feb 11, 2011

God or the devil? Why not surpass them both?!
My favorite way to play smash, especially in a group setting, is time mode with all the stages and items. You get all the silly stuff that makes the game fun and no one has to feel left out if they get knocked out early. Especially nice if players are of different skill levels.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Doc M posted:

Speaking of Fatalities, I don't give a poo poo about them at this point and never do them after maybe seeing them once. They were fun back in the day because there weren't many games doing that kind of stuff (and even fewer of those were good) and because they looked so hokey with the digitized graphics and bright red pixelated blood. Now it's all dark and gritty and desaturated and you get to see the opponent struggle for their life and every overly prolonged animation is presented at a surgical level of detail (this is probably how the fatalities in the original games looked to our parents at the time :v:), and after ten games plus a million rereleases/spinoffs I just don't care anymore, I just want to get to the next fight and lose to the next online player.

I liked how MKX did Brutalities, though, by making them into these crazy death blows that end the match immediately.

I appreciate how far X and, from that one trailer, XI go into just making you wince at this ridiculous level of violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoTams2yc0s

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Poulpe posted:

Smash Bros Ultimate has some... interesting difficulty design in it's adventure mode.

I realize that many of the stages are designed to stack the odds against you, which I get, but I'm seriously getting Mortal Kombat 2 difficulty flashbacks, where the AI just responds perfectly to your every move.
(For the uninitiated, it's a thing.)
The AI is pretty good about not doing input reading and playing like a human player, much more so than the previous games, but the single player also mixes in very hard fights among the regular ones to encourage you to come back later when you're better equipped to handle them. By the end of the campaign you'll be able to walk all over them.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Cleretic posted:

Final Smashes are a designed part of a character and part of their balance
They're definitely not. I love the Final Smash system because I enjoy big flashy animations but there's nothing balanced there.

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Final Smashes are aggravating in adventure mode and classic. Since you get 1 life, depending on who it is and if you take as little as 30% damage its a "gently caress you, you're dead" move as it takes up the entire arena and flings you off at mach 5.

Cleretic
Feb 3, 2010


Ignore my posts!
I'm aggressively wrong about everything!

FactsAreUseless posted:

They're definitely not. I love the Final Smash system because I enjoy big flashy animations but there's nothing balanced there.

Yeah, these days that's basically it (and they're better for it), but in Brawl especially they had a ton going on there when they probably shouldn't have.

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

the thing dragging down smash's adventure mode was discovering the Lucas + M.Bison combo that trivializes every single fight

i mean yeah i could not use it, but jeez it's super op

Barudak
May 7, 2007

Cleretic posted:

Yeah, these days that's basically it (and they're better for it), but in Brawl especially they had a ton going on there when they probably shouldn't have.

Yeah; Solid Snake's was basically a minute long waste of time where youd have to cooperate with the snake player to die while any starfox character was guaranteed to not only kill every single other opponent, if they were fast enough they could unavoidably kill players as they respawned in and were still invulnerable to damage.

Zoig
Oct 31, 2010

Final smashes are actually weaker if the meter is on, and I can think of a example that seems really strong until you learn a trick to it: Zelda has a final smash that sucks everyone in the map towards it for a bit and when it captures someone it can instantly kill anyone over 80% or so. However, if you block it also reduces the strength of stuff like the gust jar or Zeldas final smash.

With that being said, there are certainly smashes that feel straight up stronger than any other ones, like bowsers, which i don't think can actually be dodged most of the time, or the inklings killer wail, which is basically a big laser beam but it can be turned rather quickly and the inkling can move the entire time its active.

FactsAreUseless
Feb 16, 2011

Overwatch Porn posted:

the thing dragging down smash's adventure mode was discovering the Lucas + M.Bison combo that trivializes every single fight

i mean yeah i could not use it, but jeez it's super op
There are a ton of these combos. Once you get to the point where you can tackle one four-star spirit you can get the rest, you just have to hunt around a bit sometimes.

Morpheus
Apr 18, 2008

My favourite little monsters
The new EDF game is great - you shoot giant bugs, ragdoll all over the place, huge explosions and chaos, great stuff.

There is a class called the Wing Diver in the game - basically, an all-female team of jetpackers. When you start the game, you're a civilian who's basically thrust into the war by accident. You look like someone who went to work, picked up a prototype jetpack, and now you're in poo poo. Slacks, shirt, whatever.

What I really liked about this, what that previous depections of the Wing Diver are...well, skeezy to say the least. Basically an entirely-female team of women dressed with jetpack boob armor and a thong. But now, pants! Awesome!

Then you join the EDF proper and...well, at least the giant cleavage hole is gone. Still got the thong though, guess that's official EDF equipment.

Pastry of the Year
Apr 12, 2013

https://twitter.com/RussianMemesLtd/status/1073614089665024001

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

quote:

The new EDF game is great - you shoot giant bugs, ragdoll all over the place, huge explosions and chaos, great stuff.

There is a class called the Wing Diver in the game - basically, an all-female team of jetpackers. When you start the game, you're a civilian who's basically thrust into the war by accident. You look like someone who went to work, picked up a prototype jetpack, and now you're in poo poo. Slacks, shirt, whatever.

What I really liked about this, what that previous depections of the Wing Diver are...well, skeezy to say the least. Basically an entirely-female team of women dressed with jetpack boob armor and a thong. But now, pants! Awesome!

Then you join the EDF proper and...well, at least the giant cleavage hole is gone. Still got the thong though, guess that's official EDF equipment.


Gross, I was hoping they'd get less lovely about that.

sebmojo
Oct 23, 2010


Legit Cyberpunk









It's to minimise wind drag

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Dragon's Crown

I can't believe only the Dwarf in Dragon's Crown can through people. It just feels so off to not be able to do the same for everyone. The giant boulders being Dwarf exclusive would be fine but it still just feels off to me to not be able to pick anyone up as at least the Fighter or Amazon.

Also I've managed to actually get far enough that I've gotta collect talismans and unlocked the stable as far as the story goes but I'm now discovering new moves at like 17 that're only just unlocking and I wish they were just available from the beginning and the leveling up was just to make them better.

And again, story being tied to character absolutely sucks. I don't want to repeat the entire game all over again if I want to try the Wizard out! That poo poo sucked in Borderlands and it sucks here still.


Morpheus posted:

The new EDF game is great - you shoot giant bugs, ragdoll all over the place, huge explosions and chaos, great stuff.

There is a class called the Wing Diver in the game - basically, an all-female team of jetpackers. When you start the game, you're a civilian who's basically thrust into the war by accident. You look like someone who went to work, picked up a prototype jetpack, and now you're in poo poo. Slacks, shirt, whatever.

What I really liked about this, what that previous depections of the Wing Diver are...well, skeezy to say the least. Basically an entirely-female team of women dressed with jetpack boob armor and a thong. But now, pants! Awesome!

Then you join the EDF proper and...well, at least the giant cleavage hole is gone. Still got the thong though, guess that's official EDF equipment.

Do they really not have costumes for them? Considering the type of game it is I would've thought they'd have all kinds of cosmetics for everyone ranging from I dunno, fisherman to astronaut.

CordlessPen
Jan 8, 2004

I told you so...

RareAcumen posted:

Do they really not have costumes for them? Considering the type of game it is I would've thought they'd have all kinds of cosmetics for everyone ranging from I dunno, fisherman to astronaut.

I heard that each class has 2 outfits and that the Wing Diver's alternate is a jumpsuit with an old-timey jetpack, so in my head they look like they just walked out of the Moonraker set. Haven't seen it though, and I really shouldn't look for it because then I'll have to buy the game...

PubicMice
Feb 14, 2012

looking for information on posts

CordlessPen posted:

I heard that each class has 2 outfits and that the Wing Diver's alternate is a jumpsuit with an old-timey jetpack, so in my head they look like they just walked out of the Moonraker set. Haven't seen it though, and I really shouldn't look for it because then I'll have to buy the game...

I mean, if the normal outfit is any indication, that jumpsuit is probably unzipped to the crotch.

Aleph Null
Jun 10, 2008

You look very stressed
Tortured By Flan

CordlessPen posted:

I heard that each class has 2 outfits and that the Wing Diver's alternate is a jumpsuit with an old-timey jetpack, so in my head they look like they just walked out of the Moonraker set. Haven't seen it though, and I really shouldn't look for it because then I'll have to buy the game...

I think you have that backward according to the wiki.

quote:

Every class has two appearances; one they start with at the beginning of the game and then standard EDF armor, given to the player around 16 missions into the main game.

You start out in civilian clothes and later get your g-string armor.

Edit: gently caress I don't know - watch this video and see what they look like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEKCRLMK4FA

Aleph Null has a new favorite as of 22:50 on Dec 14, 2018

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


I just bought two used copies of Animal Crossing New Leaf because the fiancee wanted to play it and I'm down for picking the game back up. One of the copies was already factory reset which is a little disappointing. I wanted to see what these old abandoned hellscapes looked like.

The one that wasn't reset doesn't even have more than just peach trees too which means I'm going to have to reset the drat thing repeatedly to get all the fruit.

Fuckers.

Somfin
Oct 25, 2010

In my🦚 experience🛠️ the big things🌑 don't teach you anything🤷‍♀️.

Nap Ghost
What percentage of the new EDF game's dialogue is overwrought explanations of how the new bugs are different from the old ones and how they're coming from underground

Nuebot
Feb 18, 2013

The developer of Brigador is a secret chud, don't give him money

Len posted:

I don't understand turning off Final Smash because it feels like turning off fatalities.

Yes I know it's not the same but it's weird and I can't explain why

I don't know about the new one, but in the previous games final smashes sucked because they weren't at all like fatalities. A fatality was a cool thing you did after a match. A final smash was literally just a free kill given to losing opponents after you beat them a couple of times, except when the smash ball appeared - in which case it just became a free kill for whoever hit it last. I love smash's gameplay but the last game in particular has an annoying abundance of things that were just "and it just kills you" which made playing single player more frustrating than fun. Mach started and like half the items spawn in the opponent's hands? Enjoy the free death.

spit on my clit
Jul 19, 2015

by Cyrano4747
yet another Smash Ultimate gripe

I feel like a lot of these higher-end Spirits fights were not play tested. Pauline, for example, puts you on the original Donkey Kong (1981) stage where you have a minute and a half to defeat Peach, who runs away endlessly. Not a problem until wedding suit mario jumps in with a hammer, not too hard to dodge, and then the fat bastard known as Gigantic DK comes in to ruin the fight even harder. Now you have to fight a super-powered DK and an annoying mario, even though your real target is Peach, who you will never ever kill unless she falls off the stage ten seconds into the fight. Also, the stopwatch item spawns a lot here, and if you don't know what it does, it slows down every fighter that didn't pick it up, but because the three opponents in this match are on the same team, it means only you (and you alone) will be effected by it, unless you get really lucky and the slow effect backfires on the bastards. also that backfire thing can happen to you if you pick the watch up.

Some legendary spirits are bullshit until you realize that one character can easily cheese it like the Dr. Wily fight where you fight about eight metal megamans (two at a time) in a stamina battle, with the fight ending with a Dr Mario jumping in to fight. It's just about impossible until you realize that Ness and Lucas can absorb Megaman's projectiles that aren't the metal blade, for free HP. the challenge is gone at that point, just PK Thunder yourself to victory.

Some legendary spirit fights are stupidly easy. Oh no, it's zero suit samus in a stamina match, whatever will i do? to make this fight more perilous, the floor is poison. let me just equip my "ignore the poison stage" spirit negates that part of the battle, so it's really just a fight against a high CPU samus with a tight time limit and oh look I won the fight on my second try.

final complaint: i got the master giant/beast/sword to make the master core, and it is utter poo poo. Neutral spirit, decent stats, three slots, and you start the battle with 30% damage. Not even any buff to go along with the penalty like some spirits do. my main gripe here is more that the master giant was easily my best grab type spirit and had better stats

spit on my clit has a new favorite as of 08:21 on Dec 15, 2018

Twitch
Apr 15, 2003

by Fluffdaddy

RareAcumen posted:

Dragon's Crown

I can't believe only the Dwarf in Dragon's Crown can through people. It just feels so off to not be able to do the same for everyone. The giant boulders being Dwarf exclusive would be fine but it still just feels off to me to not be able to pick anyone up as at least the Fighter or Amazon.

Also I've managed to actually get far enough that I've gotta collect talismans and unlocked the stable as far as the story goes but I'm now discovering new moves at like 17 that're only just unlocking and I wish they were just available from the beginning and the leveling up was just to make them better.

And again, story being tied to character absolutely sucks. I don't want to repeat the entire game all over again if I want to try the Wizard out! That poo poo sucked in Borderlands and it sucks here still.

It's been a couple years since I've played Dragon's Crown, but from what I remember, after you beat the game, whenever you start with a new character you skip straight to the second half of the story after all of the levels are unlocked.

BiggerBoat
Sep 26, 2007

Don't you tell me my business again.
loving system updates every third time I boot up my console. Jesus Christ. Also, waiting for a game to install, launching it and then being told that it too needs an update to play. Anymore, I install a game, go start dinner and take a shower, then come back and update the game and go take out the trash or something. Then I come back to play it; that is if my console didn't put itself to sleep during the install/updates.

Last night my kid wanted to watch YouTube on my XBone and we waited for the system update. Then it moved my YT app off of my pinned apps and he couldn't find it. Then YouTube needed an update.

I used to think having to blow into an NES cartridge was inconvenient.

My phone does the same poo poo. Update it and yes, please, kindly reset all my settings, Verizon. I was getting tired of these devices working exactly the way I wanted them to and having my new unread messages bolded on my app icon.

Professor Wayne
Aug 27, 2008

So, Harvey, what became of the giant penny?

They actually let him keep it.
I don't know who these pokemon are in the new Smash Bros. Didn't they used to all yell their names when they popped out? I miss that.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Professor Wayne posted:

I don't know who these pokemon are in the new Smash Bros. Didn't they used to all yell their names when they popped out? I miss that.

I thought you meant the playable ones at first and I was confused, because they have an announcer for every one of them.

Lunchmeat Larry
Nov 3, 2012

it's probably for the best that final smashes are now almost all just a fairly uniform "press B to gently caress up the person in front of you" thing but I miss turning into Wario Man and breaking the sound barrier with my suicide bike.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

BiggerBoat posted:

loving system updates every third time I boot up my console. Jesus Christ. Also, waiting for a game to install, launching it and then being told that it too needs an update to play. Anymore, I install a game, go start dinner and take a shower, then come back and update the game and go take out the trash or something. Then I come back to play it; that is if my console didn't put itself to sleep during the install/updates.

Last night my kid wanted to watch YouTube on my XBone and we waited for the system update. Then it moved my YT app off of my pinned apps and he couldn't find it. Then YouTube needed an update.

I used to think having to blow into an NES cartridge was inconvenient.

My phone does the same poo poo. Update it and yes, please, kindly reset all my settings, Verizon. I was getting tired of these devices working exactly the way I wanted them to and having my new unread messages bolded on my app icon.

I dunno about the Bone but you can tell the Ps4 to auto-update anything that comes up while it is in Rest Mode. You can also tell it to download stuff when you buy it at the PS Store that way so you buy something before going to work and get home and play it.

Len
Jan 21, 2008

Pouches, bandages, shoulderpad, cyber-eye...

Bitchin'!


Samuringa posted:

I dunno about the Bone but you can tell the Ps4 to auto-update anything that comes up while it is in Rest Mode. You can also tell it to download stuff when you buy it at the PS Store that way so you buy something before going to work and get home and play it.

Does PS4 do that free? I know for PS3 that's a ps+ perk

Punished Chuck
Dec 27, 2010

Samuringa posted:

I dunno about the Bone but you can tell the Ps4 to auto-update anything that comes up while it is in Rest Mode. You can also tell it to download stuff when you buy it at the PS Store that way so you buy something before going to work and get home and play it.

Xbox will at least do it for anything that you’ve manually queued for download, you just have to set it to “instant-on” mode instead of “energy-saving” in the power and startup settings. I’m not sure if it auto-downloads new updates or just the ones you’re already downloading when you turn it off, though.

Samuringa
Mar 27, 2017

Best advice I was ever given?

"Ticker, you'll be a lot happier once you stop caring about the opinions of a culture that is beneath you."

I learned my worth, learned the places and people that matter.

Opened my eyes.

Len posted:

Does PS4 do that free? I know for PS3 that's a ps+ perk

Only games saves from the cloud are a perk, which is a Ps+ feature anyway

Enabling Auto-Update

Downloading Games Remotely

RBA Starblade
Apr 28, 2008

Going Home.

Games Idiot Court Jester

Somfin posted:

What percentage of the new EDF game's dialogue is overwrought explanations of how the new bugs are different from the old ones and how they're coming from underground

Uh excuse me, they're giant insects

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ChaseSP
Mar 25, 2013



The new edf game is a reboot of the series with nobody knowing about giant insects.

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