Pope Corky the IX posted:

Was he a human being that transitioned into a snowperson?

I have yet to see Frozen.

Guy Mann posted:

Frozen is pretty good, I'd put it above Moana and Big Hero 6 but below Tangled and Zootopia and Wreck-It Ralph in terms of contemporary Disney animated features.

The MSJ posted:

A younger Simmons, John Turturro's character.

Barudak posted:

Samuel Clemens posted:

Could you please add a spoiler warning to the post when it gives away the entire film?

Rageaholic Monkey posted:

Wait really? I guess I just didn't make the connection when I saw it, haha. I just figured it was completely divorced from Bay's Transformers movies outside of Optimus Prime's voice actor and some similar story concepts because they exist in the same universe.

Barudak posted:

So in Mary Poppins Returns the central conflict of the movie is not that the children lack imagination, because this is in fact never shown, but rather that the family is losing their house because their father is a idiot who forgot to pay back a loan he took out. The film then spends several songs with the children having adventures whose morals are "do things when you are told to do them", "do things now when you think of them, rather than putting them off", and "approach difficult problems from new angles". These are not fun lessons, nor are they actually lessons the children needed because in the beginning of the film they are already discussing how to resolve grown up problems immediately, because they need to, and by approaching the problem from different angles.

Before we go further I need to address the loan issue; the loan thing pisses me right off too because its never stated why, exactly, he took out the loan, so the only two reasons are either a) the father is upside-down on income and will therefore, as soon as this loan is paid off, need to take out another one or b) is a massive idiot who just took out a loan because, hey free money. The best part is, given that the movie notes explicitly the father wasn't working prior to the start of the film it could even be both and the moral for him at the end is to be "more childish"? gently caress you dude.

During all of this terrible framed and shot cinema, an ongoing background plot is going on where the father and his sister whose entire character despite being in considerable amounts of this film consists of "is a milquetoast liberal" are hunting for bank shares so they can pay back this idiot loan. You might think, therefore, that because the film spends quite a lot of time of them searching for them as well as showing you one of their children cutting up the bank shares and gluing it to his kite these might actually matter. Hell, you'd be forgiven for thinking that since the father drew art on the back of the bank shares, and he's shown drawing on the backs of many things, the whole family might have a touching moment where art and wealth and their memories of the dead come together in a single catalyzing object at the climax of the film. None of that happens. They get to the bank, they don't have all the pieces, and then a door opens up and a higher-tier capailist swoops in and says "no, they have the money" and the day is saved. Why nearly a quarter of the films already long runtime gets to be mulched by an entire plot thread where characters learn nothing, do nothing, and in the end do not even resolve the central issue is absolutely mystifying.

I should add too that the villain faces absolutely no meaningful comeuppance nor is his plot ever discovered or commented upon, and more gratingly despite being a tremendous piece of poo poo absolutely nothing he does is illegal as far as the film is concerned. At the end he just gets fired where I'm sure this insanely wealthy man who has taken a small bank in london and doubled its profits during one of the worst recessions in the cities history is going to really ruin his life.

As for Mary Poppins herself outclassing everyone, there is a part of the film where some characters decide that they need to turn off the lights of big ben and move the clock hand back to buy a few more minutes time for the other characters who are rushing to the bank. Reminder, absolutely none of this matters because the day is saved by a capitalist literally just walking in from stage left. We are then treated to an extremely long stunt sequence of all our working class individuals trying desperately to climb the clock tower fast enough to do all this while risking death and grievous bodily harm. At the end, after many harrowing difficulties they manage to climb the clock tower but can't move the hand of the clock back. Mary Poppins, who has been standing there the whole time, then decides she'll just do it, floats up and does it herself. Not only does this raise the question of "why the hell did Mary Poppins allow these people to risk their lives if she could just do it herself" but it is basically "what is impossible for the poor is a triviality for the rich" made manifest.

got any sevens posted:

You enunciated my complaints exactly.
Has disney even made a good film with non-neolib politics in the last two decades? Maybe Tangled? Ugh i'm just so sick of their mediocre status-quo poo poo

Barudak posted:

Apologies, I thought I had them in there.

Barudak posted:

about Mary Poppins

Cythereal posted:

I put it near the bottom, honestly. There's definitely a good movie inside Frozen, but the pacing is weird, the protagonist (Anna) is terrible, it's not as feminist as it seems, and I think it shows that the movie was rewritten well into its development to make Elsa a good guy instead of the film's villain.

Guy Mann posted:

Having Elsa be the villain is up there with having Flynn die at the end of Tangled in terms of "improvements" that are the definition of giving up something valuable to buy something cheap; it would completely destroy the entire arc of the character and the moral of the film to have her parents be completely right to have locked her up and shamed her into submission all in the name of some shocking gotcha moment when she becomes evil. Frozen was one of those movies that in development hell and underwent a ton of revisions of the years, Elsa being the villain at one point isn't any more significant to the final product than Tangled being a Shrek-style farce about modern kids who get sucked into a story book or Wreck-It Ralph having its final act take place in a The Sims/Grand Theft Auto life sim game.

Also Anna is one of the few Disney princesses to actually have an arc where they grow as a character, her being annoying and gullible and making bad decisions is a necessary part of that so she can actually grow and learn over the course of the movie. She has more in common with Lilo from Lilo & Stitch than the average Disney princess, right down to rejecting an idealized vision of what a family is .

Guy Mann posted:

Having Elsa be the villain is up there with having Flynn die at the end of Tangled in terms of "improvements" that are the definition of giving up something valuable to buy something cheap; it would completely destroy the entire arc of the character and the moral of the film to have her parents be completely right to have locked her up and shamed her into submission all in the name of some shocking gotcha moment when she becomes evil. Frozen was one of those movies that in development hell and underwent a ton of revisions of the years, Elsa being the villain at one point isn't any more significant to the final product than Tangled being a Shrek-style farce about modern kids who get sucked into a story book or Wreck-It Ralph having its final act take place in a The Sims/Grand Theft Auto life sim game.

X-Ray Pecs posted:

Someone help me out, isn’t the February release for Aliya its second push-back? Didn’t it go summer 2017 -> December 2017 -> February 2018? Or am I just misremembering?

davidspackage posted:

That's Henry Cavill's superpower. When he gets angry, additional pockets appear on him.

Len posted:

I was just disappointed that Anna didn't get fire powers to balance out Elsa and her ice powers.

And together they cause the seasons to change.

Rirse posted:

Maybe the plot of Frozen 2 is Anna getting fire powers and they team up to defeat the Heat and Cold Miser.

muscles like this! posted:

Yeah, it was supposed to be a summer movie, got moved to Dec 21st (same day as Aquaman, Mary Poppins and Bumblebee) and finally moved to Feb. I'm definitely not betting on it meeting that release date either though.

The MSJ posted:

It's actually more confusing. They removed some dialogue connecting Bumblebee to previous Transformers films, but they also did not film scenes involving Megatron because it contradicted the other movies.

bartok posted:

All I remember about that second X-Files movie was Billy Connolly playing a psychic pedophile priest.

DC Murderverse posted:

they've been advertising it on TV for a month now, it's locked in and ready to go. Whether or not it will be any good is still very much in the air but any more delays would probably cost the studio more than the movie is worth. And Fox has been spending too much on movies that keep getting delayed.

I want it to be good though. I've seen the trailer enough that the eyes no longer have any effect on me and it just looks like a solid action movie with some dope action. (but i liked GitScarlet Johannson so ymmv)

X-Ray Pecs posted:

It bodes ill for the quality of the film that it got pushed back twice, with a drat February release date. Robert Rodriguez behind the camera of a 2019 release inspires no confidence, either. Also keep in mind, the second live-action GI Joe movie got pushed back 9 months after a drat Super Bowl ad prominently displayed its original release date. Anything can happen.

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Most of his mediocrity was literally kids movies he made to get his kids writing credits or something, though.

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

Most of his mediocrity was literally kids movies he made to get his kids writing credits or something, though.

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

I just remember thinking Once Upon a time in Mexico was awesome when I was in college

Cythereal posted:

Yeah, Mulan is the trans icon.

The Mouse suits were also shamelessly open about how Olaf was added to the movie for only two reasons: to add another male character to the movie, and for merchandising. They were worried that Frozen would be too girly and not attract enough of a young male audience if the only male characters were Kristoff, Hans, and the duke.

AlBorlantern Corps posted:

I remember a guy with a fake arm who gets made by a kid selling Chiclets, that kid was definitely a MexiCAN whereas this Hitman turned out to be a MexiCANT

The Saddest Rhino posted:

I just remembered frank miller directed the spirit