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Gay Horney posted:He is literally describing reality A thing can be a real thing that happens, and also it can be a real problem to say "all people who are like the people doing this? they also do this."
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Europeans: Americans are so racist Also Europeans: fuckin gyppos m8
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I'm going to be serious here for a minute. Roma people in Europe have insane unemployment rates, like, over 50%, and 90% of them live in poverty, and as a result many of them are involved in criminal activities. There might be something to be said about how traditional Roma culture contributes to that (provided you don't forget the role of plain old bigotry, too, of course), but perpetuating stereotypes definitely doesn't help with any of that, and only hinders any possible discussion. Don't do that. It's that easy. Instead of gypped, *a minute passes* say bamboozled. But only bamboozled. Don't even think about saying something as pedestrian as tricked, or conned, or fooled. Remember, it's only bamboozled from now on.
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Jan 4, 2019 21:57
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As a rule I don't like to be serious, but a surprising number of people have surprising issue with roma, which to me is equatable with having issue with bumblebees. Also I don't like people who say look at that racist because I find often they're the racist and I don't know whom to facepalm how hard.
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Paladinus posted:I'm going to be serious here for a minute. Roma people in Europe have insane unemployment rates, like, over 50%, and 90% of them live in poverty, and as a result many of them are involved in criminal activities. There might be something to be said about how traditional Roma culture contributes to that (provided you don't forget the role of plain old bigotry, too, of course), but perpetuating stereotypes definitely doesn't help with any of that, and only hinders any possible discussion. Don't do that. It's that easy. Instead of gypped, *a minute passes* say bamboozled. But only bamboozled. Don't even think about saying something as pedestrian as tricked, or conned, or fooled. Remember, it's only bamboozled from now on. I see your tricks, you're not gonna get me to read this long post and distract me while your little cousin takes my wallet only to discover I only have an expired bus pass and card with three stamps towards a free gelato.
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crime is good. If a pickpocket gets you then you probably had it coming.
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FactsAreUseless posted:Europeans: Americans are so racist b-b-but hillary's emails
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Karate Bastard posted:which to me is equatable with having issue with bumblebees My Lovely Horse has a new favorite as of 22:34 on Jan 4, 2019 |
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My favorite anecdote about Roma racism is the tale of comic book writer Peter David, who once went on a fairly unhinged diatribe about how they were all horrible con artists who purposefully crippled their children to make them more sympathetic beggars and all this other stuff. He claimed he was told all this by a tour guide in Europe who saw this kind of thing every day so obviously it was true. As predicted a lot of people called him out on it, but instead of the usual move of doubling down and clinging to his bigotry he did some research and thought about it for a while, and came to the conclusion that the tour guide was almost certainly just repeating stories and urban legends as fact and he had contributed to that by repeating the tour guides story once he was back in the US. He gave the most genuine and earnest apology I've ever seen from someone called out on casual racism. It's so rare to see that. Jesus what thread is this? You fuckers making me serious post in the funny quotes thread.
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pyf has been weird lately
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sneakyfrog posted:pyf has been weird lately It's ok, in two days the three magi will be here and they will scare all the roma away. You can relax.
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i dated a roma once. we made out by draculas castle. it was cool. thank you for letting me share.
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Paladinus posted:I'm going to be serious here for a minute. Roma people in Europe have insane unemployment rates, like, over 50%, and 90% of them live in poverty, and as a result many of them are involved in criminal activities. There might be something to be said about how traditional Roma culture contributes to that (provided you don't forget the role of plain old bigotry, too, of course), but perpetuating stereotypes definitely doesn't help with any of that, and only hinders any possible discussion. Don't do that. It's that easy. Instead of gypped, *a minute passes* say bamboozled. But only bamboozled. Don't even think about saying something as pedestrian as tricked, or conned, or fooled. Remember, it's only bamboozled from now on. like i said in the thread the quote is from. poor disenfranchised people commit crimes. Then poverty goat came up with some other dumb example about how they tricked his idiot aunt by renting her house and loving it up.
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snergle posted:like i said in the thread the quote is from. poor disenfranchised people commit crimes. Then poverty goat came up with some other dumb example about how they tricked his idiot aunt by renting her house and loving it up. It drives me nuts because you see hurr durr bigotry about Roma from people who wouldn't in a million years fall for the same rhetoric used to color all black folks or poor immigrants as criminals, but there's some weird disconnect with this particular group.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It drives me nuts because you see hurr durr bigotry about Roma from people who wouldn't in a million years fall for the same rhetoric used to color all black folks or poor immigrants as criminals, but there's some weird disconnect with this particular group. To simplify, it's partially because Romani are socially persecuted to an extent that those who make conscious steps to avoid harassment almost always relinquish everything culturally distinguishable/identifying themselves as one.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:It drives me nuts because you see hurr durr bigotry about Roma from people who wouldn't in a million years fall for the same rhetoric used to color all black folks or poor immigrants as criminals, but there's some weird disconnect with this particular group.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:but there's some weird disconnect with this particular group. Huh, must be genetic
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Spanish Manlove posted:I see your tricks, you're not gonna get me to read this long post and distract me while your little cousin takes my wallet only to discover I only have an expired bus pass and card with three stamps towards a free gelato. Not tricks. Bamboozles.
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It will never stop being hilarious to me how Eurogoons will scoff and titter at Amerigoons for our racist shithole of a country but as soon as you even vaguely remind them about Roma, they scream and spin and poo poo themselves violently, but our hate for those drat Gypsies is TOTALLY DIFFERENT AND JUSTIFIED because: You're racists. Just acknowledge it, your blood pressure will thank you. FactsAreUseless posted:Europeans: Americans are so racist
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FactsAreUseless posted:Europeans: Americans are so racist There was a version of this somewhere quoted in this thread that went something like: European : You americans are so racist, not like us enlightened Europeans! American: But what about the Roma? European: *face cracks like a mask revealing Hitler* well let me tell you.....
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There was an episode of Bizarre Foods where Andrew Zimmern visited a Romani family. It was pretty cool and also funny because they strongly reminded me of my dad’s side of the family (Kentucky rednecks/hillbillies). Really looked like a good time. E: forgot what thread I was reading.
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Maybe the people who associate every drat thing to race are racist?
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Powerful Two-Hander posted:There was a version of this somewhere quoted in this thread that went something like:
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Karate Bastard posted:Maybe the people who associate every drat thing to race are racist? I mean yeah that’s how it works, though it’s a little more complicated then that. Muslims being the prime example
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European prejudice against Roma is always strange to me because I’m pretty sure most Americans aren’t aware they’re real and not just a fairy-tale thing. Hearing someone go off about how they’re tricksters and pickpockets and you can never trust them is like hearing that there’s a troll living under a nearby bridge.
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theflyingorc posted:A thing can be a real thing that happens, and also it can be a real problem to say "all people who are like the people doing this? they also do this." did he say that and I missed it? apologies if true. Tyson fury is my favorite boxer
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I heard you can get them to fix your broken pots and pans, but you can't let them into your village or they might steal your child.
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I've never even seen Roma/gypsies being discussed on this site, maybe I'm just browsing the wrong threads?
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The Roma gave us manouche jazz for which we should be forever grateful https://youtu.be/2yfQN8-tVlQ
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Pirate Radar posted:European prejudice against Roma is always strange to me because I’m pretty sure most Americans aren’t aware they’re real and not just a fairy-tale thing. Hearing someone go off about how they’re tricksters and pickpockets and you can never trust them is like hearing that there’s a troll living under a nearby bridge. So we're just casually making GBS threads on trolls then, huh? The
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Fleta Mcgurn posted:Roma are treated with less respect than garbage. Last time I was in Madrid the trash collectors had been on strike for like 3 weeks and our host spent like 10 seconds talking about the gigantic piles of waste everywhere and 10 minutes delivering a monologue about how much of a stain the Gypsies were on society.
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Pirate Radar posted:European prejudice against Roma is always strange to me because I’m pretty sure most Americans aren’t aware they’re real and not just a fairy-tale thing. Hearing someone go off about how they’re tricksters and pickpockets and you can never trust them is like hearing that there’s a troll living under a nearby bridge. This was great in the Boxtrolls movie where they're little thieving shits and the movie presents no argument from its own universe why one should not want them destroyed
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Pirate Radar posted:European prejudice against Roma is always strange to me because I’m pretty sure most Americans aren’t aware they’re real and not just a fairy-tale thing. Hearing someone go off about how they’re tricksters and pickpockets and you can never trust them is like hearing that there’s a troll living under a nearby bridge. Never forget that White Wolf, the guys who made Vampire the Masquerade and a large number of other monster-based RPGs using the same system, also released one called World of Darkness: Gypsies, a sourcebook allowing you to make a Gypsy character with special skills involving fleecing idiots for cash, drinking too much (they are literally the only sourcebook with a statistical alcohol tolerance), getting bizarrely lucky, and hypnotising people with dancing.
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Somfin posted:Never forget that White Wolf, the guys who made Vampire the Masquerade and a large number of other monster-based RPGs using the same system, also released one called World of Darkness: Gypsies, a sourcebook allowing you to make a Gypsy character with special skills involving fleecing idiots for cash, drinking too much (they are literally the only sourcebook with a statistical alcohol tolerance), getting bizarrely lucky, and hypnotising people with dancing. the most op characters in world of darkness
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Something like 90% of Americans, if you say “gypsy,” mentally picture Esmeralda from the Disney The Hunchback of Notre Dame movie, lumping them in there with mermaids and talking animals in the “Once Upon a Time” category of brain space
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Deep Thoreau posted:I heard you can get them to fix your broken pots and pans, but you can't let them into your village or they might steal your child. They are masters of deep and powerful lore
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Pirate Radar posted:Something like 90% of Americans, if you say “gypsy,” mentally picture Esmeralda from the Disney The Hunchback of Notre Dame movie, lumping them in there with mermaids and talking animals in the “Once Upon a Time” category of brain space I'm fully aware they aren't all Esmeralda from Hunchback, that doesn't make Europeans turning into screaming banshees spitting pillars of flame at the mere mention of them any less racist.
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